Suicidal Tendencies

[taB]

Let’s kick some life back into this section with a little conversation about suicide ganking.

Lots of people hate it, many think it’s too easy – personally I like the fact that noone is 100% safe at any point. I think having ganking ships insurable is possibly over the top but that’s likely to be all I’d change. I’d add that being blue to goons helps with the survivability of an afk high-sec miner these days

Semantics aside, I am looking at the possibility of suiciding a missioning Caldari Navy Raven with approximately 5 billion isk worth of fittings (I have not scanned the ship). It is very likely that I could talk to this guy, get in a gang with him and quite easily take him out - that is not the approach I want to take as I consider it underhand. We have what can only be termed as an unpleasant history, he was in fact banned from the game for a period of time. I am considering this option as I have seen him log in again after about 3 months. The pilot in question never leaves high-sec and is currently in an npc corp. The CNR is his only real asset in game and yes, this is about depriving him of that; this is not the nice option and I fully realise that. That said, I have no evidence yet that he is back playing properly and undocking the ship, a lot more recon would need to take place first.

I know I am unable to do this with just myself and am wondering if anyone knows how many ships would be needed? Gank fitted battleships I would imagine. Are there people I can contact who are experienced with this kind of operation? Would Sharkith’s merc crew be able to offer a solution? While I’m not a rich player I’d be willing to spend isk on this.

Anyway I wasn’t interested in having this on the Eve-O forums as it’s a cess-pit and so was wondering if the Freddies had any thoughts

Thanks,

taB.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Sure why not, EVE has a NPC retaliation system in place. If your ships gets blasted by CONCORD you played by the rules of CCP.

 

[Faeldawn]

We used to roll new chars, career them right to get Kessie access immediately and roam hi-sec in fleets of up to 30 dive-bombing macro miners

 

[taB]

Oh yeah, that's cracking but mining ships and faction CNRs are leagues apart Cheers for the input guys.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Oh yeah, that's cracking but mining ships and faction CNRs are leagues apart Cheers for the input guys.

Not you can kill this ship in high sec unless the guy is afk or your bring tons of pilots, so I didn't comment on this. If you don't like him and want some revenge, lure him into your corp, get him into low sec and blow him up there. That's what we have done with corp spies.

 

[taB]

Tons of pilots is the option I'm looking for, likely when he's receiving severe rat aggro to help things.

Luring him into a corp is not an option, he was in the same corp as me. Yes I could do it but I won't. Like I say above, deceit is not an option for me. This needs to be face to face (or faces to face) or not at all. Been checking his bio, it's just over 4 months since he received the ban.

We were in 0.0 for months and he never left high-sec. Low-sec is not an option either, it's the CNR I'm after.

 

[LordjOX]

I think some guys did the maths on that, it needed 20 gank fitted Dominixes to suicide gank a freighter in high sec.

So, a freighter has 106.250 structure HP + 20.000 armor HP+ 6.000 shield HP
That gives about 140k effective hp, roughly calculated. Probably about 200k hp with skills to 5.

So, what is a 5b CNR able to tank? it has about 60-70k total with skills and dunno how much with a tank going. Let's assume 100k effective hp as a pessimistic number.

So you would need at least 10 gank fitted Dominixes to kill your guy, most probably more if you do more accurate math on it.

Just to give you an idea If you really don't like him I'd suggest you find some other means.

 

[Sharkith]

This is why eve is a very funny game. People have grudges and they will find a way to catch out their marks. If you came to us we would not take a contract like this because the probability of success is not very good. LordJox is absolutely right in this case suicide ganking the CNR is not the best option and in fact is likely to fail.

What you need to do is watch him with a covert ops alt - go to where he missions and regularly scan him down. Look to see if he logs in space for example. If he logs in space under fire the ship will remin for sometime after he has goe and you can scan it down - it will be 100k away from the location where the aggro was. So easy enough to find with probes. Scan down the ship - you will know its name I assume. Hop in it and bingo.
You get his ship.

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I would post here much more folks but i now have an alliance to run as well as the corp sio I tend not to hvea lot of time both inside and otside of the game right now.

 

[taB]

Cheers chaps, I didn't think it would be feasable but needed to check

What you need to do is watch him with a covert ops alt - go to where he missions and regularly scan him down. Look to see if he logs in space for example. If he logs in space under fire the ship will remin for sometime after he has goe and you can scan it down - it will be 100k away from the location where the aggro was. So easy enough to find with probes. Scan down the ship - you will know its name I assume. Hop in it and bingo.
You get his ship.

He'd still be in it though. Somehow unlikely someone will eject from a CNR in space unless they're a complete moron

I'll think of an alternative option, am in no rush.

 

[Kev]

So, what is a 5b CNR able to tank? it has about 60-70k total with skills and dunno how much with a tank going. Let's assume 100k effective hp as a pessimistic number.

Maybee 100K of non rep HP but if he has a XL booster / L booster that he can run for a long time that number easily raises by a shitload with no gripes whatsoever. My CNR with a officer fit can tank every mission ive attempted on its own and have 0 issues with cap / repping along the way (can tank well over 1K evefit DPS all across the board).

In order to gank one you will need amazing alpha damage to break the recharge of the shields quickly. once you open fire on a ship in empire - as long as you are off a gate and safe / in a mission - you ahve approximatly 20 - 25 seconds before concorde arrives to BBQ your face. If your on a gate good luck as you aint killing it before concorde jams you even with 10 domi's. Freighters are unique as they dont repair the damage inc to them so the drones have the neccisary DPS to take it down even if it is really slow.

I've suicide ganked a load of people in my time and enjoyed it every time. The issues you have is if you cant do it quickly - you loose. I would reccomend 8 - 10 geddon's with T2 MP / full passive tank (2 / 3 plates) and a rack of T2 heavy drones. You will NEED to exploit the EM hole he will have to have in his shields due to the mission setup in order to even stand a chance to get him down. 10 geddons + 50 heavy drones on a CNR is well over 6.5 - 7K DPS if not more and its sustainable untill concorde jam you. IF he survives the origional burst damage then good job to him and his people but i suverely doubt it.

The biggest ship ive ganked solo was a cargo fit domi with faction gear in its hold. Got it off a station and had it dead long before concorde came for the pewpew in fact i managed to make it safe and warp around for the 60 seconds untill i was able to dock to let the timer roll off. was the easiet 900 mill ive ever made.

Just my 2C ^^

 

[taB]

Excellent info, thanks