Sugestions on how to kill the hibernia dragon

[Bedroc the Hero]

Our guild Legends of Camelot are trying to gather facts that can help in killing the Hibernia dragon. We have documented the only dragon raid we participated in and you can read about it on www.akebono.cistron.nl -> Guild News section.

I have some sugestions and some questions. Do you have any input to give or can you answer some of the questions?

Sugestions :

1, All stay as quiet as possible, dont use emblemed cloaks/shields, use /effects self - to reduce lag.
2, Listen closely to raid leaders / group leaders
3, Move in together. Gather all at certain safe points to make sure everyone has caught up.
4, Attack the dragon from three directions
5, First kill of the guards at the entrances so they dont kill players
6, Spread out around him
7, Healers keep the distance and focus on ressing
8, Use siege equipment to help damage. Lower players should operate these
9, Send pets/or a small group of players to take the first AoE spell
10, Try to time the next AoE spell and shout a warning 30s beforehand to let everyone run straight from the dragon in a growing circle to reduce the nr of deaths.
11, When/if you kill the dragon 1 designated looter should run collect loot before dragon spawns.
12, Make sure everyone is prepared for a slow exp night that could result in a great experiance!

Questions:
1, Does siege equipment help against the hib dragon? Which kind is best to use? ( probably not rams )?
2, How long time does it take before the dragon AoE spell recharges?
3, What kind of damage is he most vulnerable to?


What do you think? How shall we take him down?

 

[Alrindel]

I think we need an army of badass pie-fed uber Firbolgs like this one ( http://silent-death.net/gallery/dragon_a_9.jpg ) to take that dragon down like the little wuss that it is. Word!

 

[old.Tzeentch]

lol alrindel ;p

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=31341199&replies=18

and lots more info on the vnboards about culdarach

<no one has ever killed him btw on any server :O >

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero
1, All stay as quiet as possible, dont use emblemed cloaks/shields, use /effects self - to reduce lag.

Doubt the fact that there's any network communication about emblemed cloaks so the only think it reduces is framerate problems which is not lag but it always helps for most people.. /effects self was funny last time.. rush to dragon, 1 second pause, no flames, no nothing just everyone dead

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

2, Listen closely to raid leaders / group leaders

raid leader should have a nice plan either to try new approaches or new tactics. Last raid was to see if we could zerg it lol which we couldn't ..

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

3, Move in together. Gather all at certain safe points to make sure everyone has caught up.

If you wait for everyone with connection problems you'll arrive there at 5 in the morning (if you leave at around 8) so I believe initial grouping should be organised in a fashion so they could reach the dragon on their own if need be.

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

4, Attack the dragon from three directions

or more don't know the range or arc of the aoe though

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

5, First kill of the guards at the entrances so they dont kill players

Respawn will come in quite quickly anyway plus I believe there are scouts nearby.. although an initial wipe of these might make the start easier.

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

6, Spread out around him

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

7, Healers keep the distance and focus on ressing

Everyone out of melee range is aoe'd.. resing generates aggro ie. healers must spread out and preferably be ungrouped. sounds weird but it means dragon won't wipe out an entire group when their druid reses someone.. druid can subsequentially be resed by another freelance.. with some luck the resing won't generate that much aggro.. needs to be tested .. didn't get around to resing due to being dead a lot

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

8, Use siege equipment to help damage. Lower players should operate these

Mid dragon gets damaged a lot by using ballista's or so some middie told me.. From US boards I know hib dragon dodges catapult stones but maybe we should test all siege-equipment..

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

9, Send pets/or a small group of players to take the first AoE spell

We did this on first hunt but backlashed a bit.. the person sending the pet was targeted next and the main force didn't all go into melee range quick enough ie. wipeout..

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

10, Try to time the next AoE spell and shout a warning 30s beforehand to let everyone run straight from the dragon in a growing circle to reduce the nr of deaths.

I believe it's about 20-30s and quite random..

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

11, When/if you kill the dragon 1 designated looter should run collect loot before dragon spawns.

Loot should be shift-D to prevent annoyance..

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

12, Make sure everyone is prepared for a slow exp night that could result in a great experiance!

Agreed

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

1, Does siege equipment help against the hib dragon? Which kind is best to use? ( probably not rams )?

Ballista types imho

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

2, How long time does it take before the dragon AoE spell recharges?

20-30s

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

3, What kind of damage is he most vulnerable to?

Probably some kind of nuclear missile would do the trick

My finding:
I believe aoe is bugged.. In one of the hunts in sheeroe we decided to suicide and go see if we could reach the dragon so we ran into sheeroe.. I eventually made it and started to melee the dragon. after about 2 misses and 1 hit of 1 damage of me the dragon aoe'd me which I believe it cannot do.. It is supposed to aoe only ppl that are outside melee range.. it could have been a lag ghost of me running out of melee range, it could also be the reason the hib dragon has never been killed.. Ah well.. Don't think it did any melee damage though, yay bubble

 

[old.Takahome]

I´ll staff that drake to death

Bubble? Will it work 4 drake? Siege it seems that it can evade it... Well... find a high enchant mastery enchanter, got alb zerg size ppl, and try to do wot said above, pray drake won´t spawn hundred of helpers in which case our pbaoers do our job, since spell dmg on drake´s miss/resisted or failed to dmg it (I tnk, yet to try pbaoe on da drake )

 

[Exiled]

sneek up behind it and yell BOO, scare it to death, other way is to wait for old age ?

 

[HargloweHyfryd]

Overfeed it with pie and add one last after-dinner mint

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Bedroc the Hero

Questions:
1, Does siege equipment help against the hib dragon? Which kind is best to use? ( probably not rams )?
2, How long time does it take before the dragon AoE spell recharges?
3, What kind of damage is he most vulnerable to?

What do you think? How shall we take him down?

1) No, dodges all unless u build them INSIDE the lair.

2) timed it on US to 20-25 sec

3) Meele with high dmg add? Dont know really.

Read on Vn that his aoe is energy dmg, so if u get me 99 % energy resist and about 60 druids i could prolly solo him in a couple of days.

 

[old.Sko]

Make 2 groups log before attack(sit on zonewall etc), and when first wave of attackers in wiped out log them back, so rezzing can be done on spot and attack on dragon repeated.
(Example - drake was taken to 25%health, but someone nuked him from distance and he aoed everyone - no rezzer survived, everyone dead -failed raid)

 

[Novamir]

it's MATTER damage, not energy

 

[old.Tzeentch]

hwo do u kno

 

[Wuren]

"A test was done before by several full groups and it was found that Matter resist had no noticable effect on the Dragon's AOE."



The Dragon's AOE: - Damage is currently of unknown type. Probably not fire and ice because that is what Mid and Alb dragons are based on and most of us have high to maxed resists in that already. Not matter due to tests. Probably not energy due to above. Probably not spirit because that's not really a damage type. The most likely possbility now is BODY in my opinion. This is because it is the only resist left, Glimmer mobs around the dragon area cast an AOE poison DOT, and the breath is green, the color of poison/acid (and thus falls under body)

 

[Bedroc the Hero]

Thank you Alrindel

As its me on your pic!

 

[Matinex]

dragons aoe is energy

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Only reason we haven't killed dragon is coz we don't have karam.. I heard he solod the dragon.. 2 hits and he was down.. ffs.. he rocks

I wanna be just like karam!

 

[Wuren]

discount

 

[Cloak_]

WHat about the rocks inside the lair,, maybe they offer some kinda of protections (I.E. Loses L.O.S) therefore cant be aoe`d ?
So stand healers, buffers etc behind the rocks to keep em alive,,
Just a thought see if anybody has tested this...

 

[Wuren]

they help at least, on mati's raid i was the only one in front line who survived aoe cause i got behind stones.

 

[Kobold]

dragons aoe is energy

The most likely possbility now is BODY in my opinion.

it's MATTER damage, not energy

Read on Vn that his aoe is energy dmg,

lol

 

[Anu]

i say hurl abuse at it and flame it on these boards and maybe it's quit the game cos u know everyone can flame good right ?

 

[old.Takahome]

Karam & lamus can well flame that poor draky too death

 

[Novamir]

it's most certainly matter damage.

the aoe did 4000+ to several level 50s
it did 3100 to me, with about 30% matter resist (had a warden buff too)
i had 2% energy resist at that time

 

[Wuren]

Cant really compare it like that without proper testing, u might have been away from Center of the blast, scan Vn boards and u will find same stuff that i did.

Heat, Cold, Matter and now Energy has been tested,

The Dragon's AOE: - Damage is currently of unknown type. Probably not fire and ice because that is what Mid and Alb dragons are based on and most of us have high to maxed resists in that already. Not matter due to tests. Probably not energy due to above. Probably not spirit because that's not really a damage type. The most likely possbility now is BODY in my opinion. This is because it is the only resist left, Glimmer mobs around the dragon area cast an AOE poison DOT, and the breath is green, the color of poison/acid (and thus falls under body)

 

[Subbiz]

I've heard that the dragon dodges all siege attacks, but I havent ever tried it myself... bring a catapult and test it some day

about the ae timing... well some ppl say u can drain the power from the dragon, and then u can perhaps time it..

but from our 2 attempts made(we didnt drain no pow) we got several ae nukes in a chain, I'd say we got 5 ae's in 2 mins or so, which took out around 50% of our force, and after that the battle continued with some 30 tanker types for some 2-3 more mins..

a few fell to the dragons melee (which is far from the threat) and then we all ate a good nasty AE...

one of the problems we experienced was that the dragon kept moving to one side (after it had moved around quite some) and it ended up inside a wall...

good luck with ur attempts, I have no doubt that u will take it out before us middies, atleast u guys can pull away ur ppl from their stupid exp parties when its needed

 

[old.Tzeentch]

you cant hit culdurach <and prolly other dragons> with siege

and subbiz
when you gonna delete and come to hib?

 

[Bedroc the Hero]

Thank you all!

Nice input from most of you! thank you very much.


We sure seem to have some time and expermintation ( spelling sucks i know, to lazy to look it up ) b4 well take him down.

Subbiz, did you take any damage off the dragon before you perished? Did you notice who hurt him the most?

 

[Aussie-]

make sure Rangers are inside the dragonkeep

if you shoot him from outside he will dodge everthing .
maybe also make a special team to kill the Guards and Uberguards and some other guards who will spawn when dragon is at 10%


30s Stun + those special guards will kill you.
that's happened to us 1 time.


learned from it and killed the dragon the weekend after that

 

[old.Reno]

To establish damage type of the Ae you first need to determine if the ae has a variance in damage. To do that, get a nice number of NAKED lvl 50 celt heroes (no resistance, no AF of any kind allowed) and have them suicide on the dragon 1 at a time. A sample of 10 heroes should do. Once the variance of the ae damage is determined, send them back in again, naked but with 1 resist Buff. If any of those heroes is AEed for significantly less, we know the damage type.

Danita

 

[old.Tzeentch]

danita can you get nekkid for me pls

 

[Subbiz]

well the melee fighters isnt doing the dmg really, its about the same as putting ppl on the old lvl 10 keep doors, u need 80-100 tanks to see some action.. we pulled down 20% on the last attempt where I were involved in some 5 mins fight I reckon... our tacs was to have the RMs standing a bit away from everything else, and asked them NOT to nuke right away (they tend to do the most dmg and some say that magical dmg is what does the most vs dragon). The key is, ofcourse, the damage adds... we've got skald for that, I dont know about u guys but I reckon one of ur enchanters or whatever who adds alot of dps should atleast chant some of the primary groups.

I recommend healers go grouped 2 by 2 or 3 by 3(then they can cover each other incase some of them should die) and then just focus 100% on ressing and str buffing. dont bother heal them, dont bother a big ress even tho mana drain is the same, they wont survive an AE and they wont draw aggro with ress ill anyways....