strafe jumping, whats the standing?

[old.Dangerousmouse]

i was just banned from a BW server for bunny hopping, i thought this was ok on publics but not in leagues, am i mistaken in this thought?

 

[old.FingerMagnet]

Whats bunny hopping?

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

stafe jumping, like on q3, but in CS

jumping whilst strafeing, which incures in a massive speed increase

 

[old.FingerMagnet]

omg u can doo that in CS?

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

yeah, i can do it in both q3 and CS

 

[old.Xer]

your l33t then

 

[Ch3tan]

Yeah its considered cheating by most m8 (i hope...), its not exactly simple to do and gives you way to big an advantage. Its good that admins are banning people for doing it, you spoil the game for everyone else. Oh well, with the death of Barrysworld I will have to find another server that has a hard line on exploits, not easy.

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

Originally posted by Ch3tan
its not exactly simple to do and gives you way to big an advantage

so i practice for ages to do it (4 weeks), so i admit it is hard but surely after that if i can do it, i should be allowed to

but if i practice for weeks to be able to get headshots with a deagle like 4k thats ok?

coz all it is is practicing something till u can do it

[Edited by Dangerousmouse on 28-01-01 at 15:58]

 

[Ch3tan]

No thats not right, getting head shots proves you r a good aim, and its meant to be part of the game. Bunny hoping is an exploit in the engine its not meant to be there. The bloke how teaches peeps how to do it admitted it was a cheat in an interview. You should not be allowed to do it. Don't even begin to try and justify it, hope you enjoyed your 4 wasted weeks.
When I see bunny hoppers on a server, I also see everyone calling them cheats and voting them off. Thats cause they are cheaters and deserve to be banned so they learn a lesson.

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Weird i can fly round in q2/3/tfc using my well trained fingers, but in CS it don't work? not that i play CS anymore, but last night i had a quick 20 mins in the game, and these clan guys were doing some right funny stuff, i can only guess that it's all scripted stuff as if never seen anything like it before. As for strafe jumping being a cheat, well i can't speak for CS anymore, but in the quake series, it's more considerd a skill, after a couple of years of trying, iv'e just about got every jump down on q2dm1 from the the UNR demo. Without all the various strafe, circle, and double jumps they would be imposable. The jumps take ages to master, and very lots of practice, the thing i dislike the most, is that with the HL games, TFC to name but one, is that most of these skilled practices, are now mainly done by using scripts, the art of the truly skilled player is going down the drain, because it's all scripted.

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

thx u its an art form not a cheat, but yes i am sad to see peeps using scripts to do it

 

[Ch3tan]

No in quake its acceptable i agree, but in Cs no. Quake games are not about realism, CS strives to be. The BH bug is just an error in the HL engine.
My clan just played a clan war in the clanbase laddrer on dust. our opponents were either using some kind of hack or they were all v good bunny hoppers. The game was killed, they as terror got to bomb site and planted before we cound get to the big doors. As cts they got to the bombsite way before they should have.
Apart from the fact it is cheating, it is I will admit hard to master BH properly without some kind of hack/script. but that does not excuse teh fact it is wrong.

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

i dont have a problem with not doing it in games, but surely im allowed to do so on publics?

 

[cenobite]

As someone that can bunny hop and does here is my take on it. It is very funny to do and annoys the shit out of people

Anyway, next time you see someone doing it why not ask them to stop? I usually do if it annoys people. Also, it is not a hack/script it just relies on a good connect and high fps. I recently increased my fps by 15 and now bunnying is a hell of a lot easier to do.

But it is NOT a cheat and if server operators wanted it stopped there are variables that allow you to stop it. It is as much a cheat as bunnying was in any other game. Sure CS is supposed to be 'realistic' but at the root of bunnying is the ability to move faster round the map. Surely it is cheating in any other game as well then, since it gives those that have practised it an advantage.

Oh wait a minute, it takes practise. Ergo its a skill therefore its not cheating

As for being banned for doing it on a server this is the most retarded thing I have heard in my life, and if a liason is doing it on a BarrysWorld server they should get spanked. Since there is an 'acceptable kicking policy' as part of being a liason and 'using a skill that you have practised' was, last time I looked, not a kickable offence.

 

[old.[TA]alpha]

Strafe jumping and bunny hopping are different. There are a few guides around, this one was written for CS, and this one for TFC, although the principle's the same.

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

no strafe jumping and bunny hopping are the same thing, f00 alert

its proper name is srafe jumping, but peeps call in bunny hopping coz it looks like......................... a bunny hopping, suprizingly

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Yep strafe jumping is no cheat, but that lame duck jump script in TFC well, the one im talking about is the one where all you have to do is keep the jump key depressed. It gives the user NO speed impact at all, all it does is make you harder to hit. Imho thats just fucking lame, not skilled, not clever, but everybody who's so called 'elite' uses it

 

[Perplex]

Originally posted by Kurt_Angle
Weird i can fly round in q2/3/tfc using my well trained fingers, but in CS it don't work? not that i play CS anymore, but last night i had a quick 20 mins in the game, and these clan guys were doing some right funny stuff, i can only guess that it's all scripted stuff as if never seen anything like it before. As for strafe jumping being a cheat, well i can't speak for CS anymore, but in the quake series, it's more considerd a skill, after a couple of years of trying, iv'e just about got every jump down on q2dm1 from the the UNR demo. Without all the various strafe, circle, and double jumps they would be imposable. The jumps take ages to master, and very lots of practice, the thing i dislike the most, is that with the HL games, TFC to name but one, is that most of these skilled practices, are now mainly done by using scripts, the art of the truly skilled player is going down the drain, because it's all scripted.

Just woke up, so excuse me if I sound a little incoherent. Quake* is a fast, rapid game. CS is designed to be stealthy. As a result, it was never designed to allow people to zoom around the maps at breakneck speeds.

Also, you'll find that in q2, they KNEW about strafe-jumping, double-jumping, and circle-jumping. Have you never thought to yourself..."hmmm, these boxes are so perfectly placed?"

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

as valve obviously know about it now, but wait i see no new patches being released to counter it, so obviously they dont mind, and wait again, i see no counter-strike patches being released to counter it either

/me ponders

maybe they think its because its an art form to do, and if you can do it well done my friend, if not ask and i shall help you

 

[old.Kurt_Angle]

Originally posted by Perplex


Just woke up, so excuse me if I sound a little incoherent. Quake* is a fast, rapid game. CS is designed to be stealthy. As a result, it was never designed to allow people to zoom around the maps at breakneck speeds.

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Mmm before i start sorry about the quote, iv'e never used one before. What exactly is CS now, a stealthy game, well due to the design of most of the recent maps, i would question that, couple that with the faster gameplay of the pre 6.5 beta's and v1.0 well, i admit hardly as fast as quake, put a stealth, tactical game, Yeah right.

 

[Atomic Rammer]

For dangermouse, strafe jumping and bunny jumping are not the same thing. At least not in halflife anyway.
Strafe jumping gives you a tiny increase in speed, but bunny hopping can give much bigger speed improvements.

Bunny hopping exploits a physics "feature" whereby you can accelerate in mid air using air control in a special way. Strafe jumping you just strafe.

TFC example. I go sniper and charge my sniper rifle. I can move, but only very slowly. If I strafe jump around, I go a tiny bit faster, but its hardly even worth it at these speeds. If I do bunny jumping I can get to scout speeds.

The key to bunny jumping is being able to press jump as soon as you land, otherwise the momentum you have built up is lost instantly. Here is where the debate lies for the legality of this type of jumping. In my opinion, it would take a huge ammount of practice/skill to be able to do it consistently. Pressing jump exactly as you land is extremely difficult to do manually, and I would like to bet that anyone who is doing it consistently is using a bit of help.

By that I mean that they are using some kind of jump script, or some method of repeatedly issuing a jump command just before you land.
The guy on the counterstrike guide posted by Alpha states that he binds jump to mwheeldown. Note that when u scroll the wheel down each click of the wheel is a seperate jump command, and he clearly states that you should not use a key to do jump. Clearly he is circumventing the need for any actual skill by pressing jump manually at the right time by issuing many jump commands at roughly the right time.

Is this cheating? Some would say so.

Cenobite said that when u have a good connect and high fps it is a lot easier to do, I wouldnt know coz I have a reallly shit machine and connect. I made a script in order to demonstrate bunny jumping to my clan mates, I cant do it manually pressing jump. I cant imagine any ammount of practice enabling me to do it manually either.
Maybe that is because I dont have a good machine. But from my own experience of doing it I cant believe that it is all down to practice/skill.

People write scripts all the time for rocket jumps etc, and in principle, this is just the same and therefore legal. But the effects of automating this kind of thing are much bigger than a rj.

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

i ony use my own skill, u can check my comp and find no cheats or scripts, apart from my insult script

 

[Atomic Rammer]

I think u might only be doing strafe jumping, because you said bunny jumping and strafe jumping are the same thing, and they arent.

What exactly are you doing? Describe what keys you are pressing etc.

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

nah im bunny hopping, i dont press forwards at all, just my stafe keys and mouse movements

 

[old.Dangerousmouse]

and they are the same thing, coz strafe jump as you describe is bollox coz it aint strafin whilst jumpin its running and pressing strafe whilst jumping, which should surely be called "weliketocallthisstrafejumpingcozweaintgottheskilltodoitproper jumping"

 

[Atomic Rammer]

lol ok it sounds like you are doing the right thing. But as far as I know, the simple jump u do with strafe is called a strafe jump (does anyone know what else this is called then?), and the ones that people are moaning about are called bunny jumping.

If you can do it by pressing jump manually, then well done. But I'm sure lots of people are doing it by using "help" that I described earlier. The guy who wrote the guide for CS bunnyhopping for one. Personally I find it too difficult to do on my machine without help.

I play TFC and it doesnt really help that much so I dont mind anyone doing it in any type of game, but in CS it sounds like it can determine the result of the round.

 

[Meatballs]

Just because it takes practice to get something working, doesn't mean it is not a cheat. If the aimbot had a certain skill you had to learn to use it properly would that make it any less a cheat?

As for Q2/Q3, strafe jumping has been in the game so long, nothing has been done to stop this, and there will never be a patch to rectify it. Its become apart of the game (as has rocket jumping which I doubt was an 'intentional feature' when Quake1 was first concieved). It probably adds to the playability of the game most people would agree, but in Half-life, it has been identified as a 'cheat' by the creators of the game and no doubt it will be removed in the next version or so. The maps in CS are designed so that certain areas can be reached at certain times after the start, bunny hopping at the start can completly ruin that balance.

I dont personally kick people who are bunny hopping, I dont practice it myself on public servers. I, however, dont know what the BarrysWorld stance is on it, or the other admins.

 

[old.AndyL]

So is wall-strafing in TFC considered a cheat? No-one ever fixed it!

 

[old.Z3r0Ki77]

I only read the first few posts .... but on the note of headshots, I practiced on an away player for 30 mins and the cross hairs are off, to get a headshot u have to aim slightly in the air above the head, try it urself.

 

[Perplex]

Originally posted by Z3r0Ki77
I only read the first few posts .... but on the note of headshots, I practiced on an away player for 30 mins and the cross hairs are off, to get a headshot u have to aim slightly in the air above the head, try it urself.

Go to video options, and increase the slider for "screen size" up to max. It starts one notch down from maximum as standard.