steeling arti's

[Ellwynn]

There is one thing, that i need to say to all Excalibur players.
On Albion/Prydwen, when we see, that someone is camping an arti, we ask if we may join and don't steel arti's away from other players, like TORC did this afternoon.
A bit of politeness never hurts.
For the ones that don't steel like this, this message is not meant.

 

[Jimmyjr]

Welcome to Excalibur, it happens alot. :/

 

[MesS°]

Runs off making 83912742784 alts, placing them around TOA.

All of your Arti camps are belong to MEEH!!!

 

[Ellwynn]

Runs off making 83912742784 alts, placing them around TOA.

All of your Arti camps are belong to MEEH!!!

Stupid and childisch reaction

 

[fanis]

it happens a lot on excalibur (

make BG group /lottlevel/treasurer and inv them on BG only and NOT to group
try it.....it works

 

[Baldrian]

Stupid and childisch reaction

But kinda relevant none the less. Camping dont give rights to artis. I agree it never hurts being polite or teaming up to do an arti.
But if 1 char is camping, mob is up. he is alone(I.E cant do arti) Groups comes along that can do the arti, Odds are they will.
and this is no way stealing.

noob1: Look GoV is up, lets do it I need that.
noob2: No we cant, there is a lvl 20 mincer camping it.
noob3: Yeah didnt see him. ok we try again tomorrow.

I am not say its great/ok/nice but it will happen a lot and I cant really imagine it not happening on Pryd

 

[Rhori]

well tbh it doesn't/hardly ever hapen on prydwen, since noone is camping it with a lvl 20 mincer

but nonetheless if one char is camping it and a group comes allong, they will ask him if he needs help.. or what so ever.. and there are artie who a solo player (even a solo cleric) can do, but he isn't attacking the mob (what happened at this situation) because he was waiting for a friend who needed the arti + credit, but couldn't do it alone

 

[eggy]

Welcome to Excalibur.

It happens a lot, people forget themselves, and their manners.

 

[Baldrian]

Yeah when people want something, they tend to forget manners. But it is frustrating on Excal to get Cloudsong for 1, since its camped 24/7 and that might make people do it if they can, even if a 50 cleric stands camping it. Since htere is allways something camping it.

But that is something you will prolly find out now, when Pryd artis gets perma camped. after trying to get it for months, ppl tend to forget politeness.(not that I have any politeness for same cleric permacamping allways, how many cloaks does he need?)

 

[Bubble]

So if i'm Camping Cloudsong with FoP Cleric and ML9 Gorgan, waiting for my Theurgist guildie who needs credit for Cloudsong to come here and Hand the box in.

Should another sorc pull it and take artifact for himself dispite me camping the location waiting for someone to arrive who needs encounter?

 

[Thorwyn]

Stupid and childisch reaction

Nope.. not at all. He was just trying to make a point. Because that´s exactly what´s gonna happen if we agree that camping the artifact gives you a right to get it. We´ve had this a lot on Excal: people were claiming an artifact because they spend hours or even days sitting in front of the spawnpoint.. then it popped, some other people came along, killed the mob. Blam! Whine inc.
The group that starts the encounter gets the artifact, regardless how many people were camping it, that´s the CoC (read various GM replies for that matter) and the CoC is protecting those people who don´t give a damn about campers (for good reasons... as shown by Mess and also because there´s no rule to enforce or cover the situation).

Common sense, need before greed and generally politeness are completely different stories. It´s a bit like adding/not adding in RvR. It´s cool when it happens, but you can´t *expect* it.

Should another sorc pull it and take artifact for himself dispite me camping the location waiting for someone to arrive who needs encounter?

Technically, the other Sorc has every right to do that.
However, there is some sort of "agreement", at least between the more polite people, that a camping group with incomings will get a 5-10 minute time window.

 

[Baldrian]

So if i'm Camping Cloudsong with FoP Cleric and ML9 Gorgan, waiting for my Theurgist guildie who needs credit for Cloudsong to come here and Hand the box in.

Should another sorc pull it and take artifact for himself dispite me camping the location waiting for someone to arrive who needs encounter?

Should or should not. No you should prolly talk to eachother and join forces. That would be the nice/right thing to do, but thinking that 1500 odd people playing DaoC all feel that is naive.

BUT you must understand that he is in his full right to do just that. Thinking standing in 1 spot for hours waiting for a mob, gives you the right to it, is also naive.

Its a nice fantasy and if it worked all would be nice, but sadly it dont. I imagine how frustrating it is to get an arti when you DONT have hours to camp?

 

[Ellwynn]

But that is something you will prolly find out now, when Pryd artis gets perma camped. after trying to get it for months, ppl tend to forget politeness.(not that I have any politeness for same cleric permacamping allways, how many cloaks does he need?)[/QUOTE]

I understand what you mean Baldrian, but it NEVER hurts to ask first and find out why someone is camping it. Most of the time you can join, so at least you will have the encounter.

 

[Baldrian]

I understand what you mean Baldrian, but it NEVER hurts to ask first and find out why someone is camping it. Most of the time you can join, so at least you will have the encounter.

Believe me I know. I have gotten credit a lot that way and then buying arti later. Mainly because I rarely have the time to camp something for hours.

But you cant expect 1500 players to feel the exact same way. and when you cant you turn to the CoC and its pretty clear. 1st puller have rights to encounter, NOT first camper

 

[Bubble]

Should or should not. No you should prolly talk to eachother and join forces. That would be the nice/right thing to do, but thinking that 1500 odd people playing DaoC all feel that is naive.

BUT you must understand that he is in his full right to do just that. Thinking standing in 1 spot for hours waiting for a mob, gives you the right to it, is also naive.

Its a nice fantasy and if it worked all would be nice, but sadly it dont. I imagine how frustrating it is to get an arti when you DONT have hours to camp?

Its just as Frustrating for the camper when some cock comes along and steal it when you have been waiting 2 hours for the mob to Appear.
Luckyly Alb prydwen has quite a tight community, while some level 20 camping artifact isn't on, you don't screw a fg or people who are ready to pull out of it. Hopefully a bit of common sence will win through.

 

[Gibbo]

I do think there is a difference between,

1. Camping the artifact with the character you want the artifact on.

2. Camping the artifact with an alt because the char you want it on is off RvR'ing or something else.

People doing 1. should expect to get credit or a chance at the artifact in a lotto, or be given a resonable time (like 10 minutes) to do the encounter with his friends. People doing 2. shouldn't expect any help.

 

[Rhori]

But if 1 char is camping, mob is up. he is alone(I.E cant do arti)

so let's say you want an artie, (you have time to camp it this time ) but you know you can't do it alone.. so you ask your guildies could you come allong to camp this artie so I can finish my template? o0

 

[Baldrian]

so let's say you want an artie, (you have time to camp it this time ) but you know you can't do it alone.. so you ask your guildies could you come allong to camp this artie so I can finish my template? o0

Yes and there is a chance someone else will come along and do it before my guildies come. Happens all the time, nothing to qq about.

But lets say I wanted cloudsong, What I did was joining someone else with sorc to get credit. Then whenever I had time I went there with servant necro and BB farming the Centaurs there for scrolls and hoping at some point it would pop while I was there and 1 day it did(after a month or so) but even if it had not I had several GoV/CS 3/3 I could sell and just buy the darn arti instead.

And I have never denied anyone joining for credit.

Instead of whining, find a solution that suits you. Farming scrolls instead and buying arti often seems easier for me than camping it. Thinking everybody on the server will bow to politeness is whishful thinking. and thinking making then change their minds by posting on FH is even more wishful thinking.

I wish the world was a better place, but it aint. only 1 thing to do: Adapt and Overcome.

 

[Javai]

I'm afraid this is common practise on Excal - some people even believe they should run in and do an arti in front of people camping because the people camping play rvr differently to them.

While I disagree with camping per se, it never hurts to be polite and very often you can come to an amicable arrangement over the lotto'ing or whatever. But there are some people with whom such an attempt is just a waste of time.

 

[Ellwynn]

I do think there is a difference between,

1. Camping the artifact with the character you want the artifact on.

2. Camping the artifact with an alt because the char you want it on is off RvR'ing or something else.

People doing 1. should expect to get credit or a chance at the artifact in a lotto, or be given a resonable time (like 10 minutes) to do the encounter with his friends. People doing 2. shouldn't expect any help.

First:And how do you know if someone is camping for himself or not if you don't ask first but jump in right away?

Second:in response to Baldriam also,
there's also ppl who don't have 2 accounts, so no BB or what so ever.

 

[Rhori]

buying arti often seems easier for me than camping it.

what if you already have the arti, but only need the encounter, so you camp the lame thing.. but someone else pops up and kill him before you can kill him.. (I.E. Cloudsong, you killed him earlier.. but didn't know you had to give the lame musicbox for the encounter, so you need to kill him again.. but some group pops by and kills it before you can ask if you could join for credit..)

 

[Baldrian]

First:And how do you know if someone is camping for himself or not if you don't ask first but jump in right away?

Second:in response to Baldriam also,
there's also ppl who don't have 2 accounts, so no BB or what so ever.

I never said use my solution, I said find a solution that fits you.

I also got tired of permacampers/ppl grapping mob 2 secs before I was able to ect.
But you know what? I found out all the people that do that mostly either dont read FH or Dont really care what we think. SO I found that instead of whining over it(since its not against the rules I cant report them) I went and found another way for me to get artis. Lots of expensive scrolls drop from blue/yellow con mobs. So instead of camping arti for days. Go farm scrolls for a few days instead. Sell them and buy arti. Often faster, more fun and MUCH less stressful

 

[Kaun_IA]

So if i'm Camping Cloudsong with FoP Cleric and ML9 Gorgan, waiting for my Theurgist guildie who needs credit for Cloudsong to come here and Hand the box in.

Should another sorc pull it and take artifact for himself dispite me camping the location waiting for someone to arrive who needs encounter?

if he wants to, yes. and you cant do enything about it.

its like being in a candy store, where there they give out free candy. you see 1 candy left, but call your freind becouse he really wants to get one, and the stay and wait. another guy comes along and decides to take it, couse its free, standing there and you are not takeing it atm.

bad example, but still.........should he care that your friend wanted it.......no, becouse hes not here

 

[Baldrian]

what if you already have the arti, but only need the encounter, so you camp the lame thing.. but someone else pops up and kill him before you can kill him.. (I.E. Cloudsong, you killed him earlier.. but didn't know you had to give the lame musicbox for the encounter, so you need to kill him again.. but some group pops by and kills it before you can ask if you could join for credit..)

Well Posting on FH asking people to PM you if they do CS, asking your guild/alliance to do the same, often works for getting credit. and its again not as boring/waste of time as camping is.

 

[Rhori]

its like being in a candy store, where there they give out free candy. you see 1 candy left, but call your freind becouse he really wants to get one, and the stay and wait. another guy comes along and decides to take it, couse its free, standing there and you are not takeing it atm.

bad example, but still.........should he care that your friend wanted it.......no, becouse hes not here

this is a bad example indeed, because you don't need anything to use that candy, so you could take the candy and give it to your friend and your friend will enjoy it none the less.. arti's you need to have the encounter before enjoying it.

 

[Erulin]

As alot of posters above said : Welcome to Excal... the only server where nearly every Alb knows 1 person perma camps Cloudsong and sells em on Ebay.

Most RvR active english server in the world (I can know, I played the US and here) so, yeah... we get alot of idiots that don't give a crap about their fellow players, just about their wallet.

It was hard comming from a US roleplay server to the Euro version, on a roleplay server atleast people think about thier realm first.

I've never seen a cleric suicide in Hadrians Wall to come rezz a group at the gobbo house (none guildie) on here. That could have to do with 2 things :

1) it's not a roleplay server
2) the players

Sorry your introduction to Excal had to that harsh

Erulin the Bloody

 

[Girafmad]

well my 5 cents.. the coc could be worse.. imagine if it was like the coc from swg.. the one that gives the most damage to the mob gets credit/loot... atleast here its the first who pulls the mob who can claim it for him self/his grp.
So when you camp, make sure u get some ppl there with you so that you can pull as it pops, and complete the encounter.
That encourages ppl without bb+necro to be social and make friends in a online game, and that is realy what the game is all about...
btw wellcome to excal

 

[Rockk]

This may sound really dumb, but they should Make Artifacts
group based, that would change all camping & Selling artifacts

If 8ppl does Cs 8 cloaks drops etc and if only 4 ppl doin it 4 drops

couse face the truth if u decide that u have Gov or any other artifact
in your template your getting it anyway, it would help ppl ToA there chars
and more time for rvr & less greed all around

the long repop is putting it on hold anyway

 

[Thorwyn]

This would lead to a massive artifact inflation and would ruin the entire economy because it would make artifacts more common than the usual Sidi drop or a Hauberk of Forlorn from Tombs of Mithra. If the most desirable items in the game are also the ones with the highest droprate, all inferior items would become absolutely redundant. And instead of the artifacts, the market would then basically consist of scrolls.
This would be nice for an instand RvR Server, but then, you might as well put them on a merchant, so everybody can buy them. The idea that some powerful items are rare and hard to get is a vital part of the game.
I´d much prefer a one-arti-per-player policy. A player, who already got a certain artifact can´t pick it up again. If you´re farming an arti and then decide to give it away... bad luck.

 

[Golena]

This may sound really dumb, but they should Make Artifacts
group based, that would change all camping & Selling artifacts

If 8ppl does Cs 8 cloaks drops etc and if only 4 ppl doin it 4 drops

Sorry but from a marketing standpoint that sounds REALLY dumb.

Mythic made TOA as a timesink to keep people playing, the longer it takes to TOA your char (within reason) the longer you play and the more money you make.

If simply making a 200 person BG and running round doing every arti once got everyone every arti in the game, what would really be the point? Why not just hand out every arti to every player in the game that bought TOA and say there you go lads. Don't give me a I only want to RvR ffs responce, we know that but it's not the game you bought!

Back to the topic:
Welcome to excal

If you applied the same rules as prydwen might of had (your standing there with a char you get the arti) to excal you would never get any artifacts. I have 3 accounts, i'll go rvr with 1 of them, buffbot myself with the 2nd and park the 3rd at some expensive arti. I assume that when you turn up you'll help my afk bot get it right? Sounds harsh but after a week i'm fairly sure you'd be pretty fed up with it!
If you want an arti, get to the spot with a group that can do it first. If you can't, go check out the CM's.