Stealing on ML7 raid you decide!

[Likkledevil]

Just finished ML7 raid led by Arnor where he claimed remains for leading ..fair enough.Now as he listed all drops there was no mention of the many rare and needed scrolls that dropped during the raid.Lotto is now over and the scrolls wasnt included is this stealing ? In my eyes yes it is .


Thanks alot Arnor for stealing from all the ppl that helped make the raid a success!

Your the best!

 

[Fenderon]

battler 3? it's not really that sucky.

 

[Archeon]

Taken from: Here

Unique&mp&keys loot will be randomed (other good drops will be randomed too at my discretion)

No mention of scrolls in his (rather brief ) description of what he wanted to do. So no, atleast in my opinion its not really stealing... I could see how it could be annoying, but this is really why you should make sure you understand the terms a raid-leader sets out before you join a raid.

 

[Lothandar]

While I wasn't there so I dunno what happened exactly, your goal on a ml raid is to get the steps done and THE BIG FECKING HUGE EXTRA is that you might get a good drop/scroll.


Pointless to come here whining about leaders, I myself was witness to many rogs/scrolls which went into the leaders pockets but I was not there to get my ubar scrolls/drops so I didn't care really.

 

[bahamot]

he said nothing about scrolls during raid.
Only thing he said, I will give shit scrolls away.
he said nothing about popular scrols,

 

[Nemo]

While I wasn't there so I dunno what happened exactly, your goal on a ml raid is to get the steps done and THE BIG FECKING HUGE EXTRA is that you might get a good drop/scroll.

Agree ----
But imo it really sux when Raidleaders claims stuff and keep good stuff/scrolls they need or can get aload of money for..

Now you prolly just say: Then you organise a raid - I have, and I claimed nothing, I left out nothing on the roll.

OFC raidleader can /salv the really crappy things for himself, (might need space for new dropps)

my 2c's

 

[AngryKid]

Not defending anyone, but as mentioned earlier, main goal is Master Levels, not drops/scrolls. If you wanna farm scrolls, you don't bring a huge zerg around. You bring a huge zerg around to get shit done fast and efficient.

 

[bahamot]

if he takes up scrolls in bgloot, they should get lottod if not said something else.

If main goal only was ml, all drops should go to the one dealing most dmg. not to someone who happend to be leader of a bg raid. wich he does barely lead himself.

 

[Theodoric]

Yes if the only goal is to complete trials as fast as possible then all loot should go to grp doing most dmg .NOT/bg loot then the leader with-holds items.Stinks imo this guy has stolen from every person at the raid ... oh except his m8s who ive heard got 1st choice of the good scrolls.

 

[Garnet]

hohoho naughty Panda ;x

 

[Klonk]

Nerf Arnor, omg!!11

Nah, agree with said above; it didn't say in post that scrolls would be lottoed, and you should be happy you got ML7 steps done, not many ML7 raids will be arranged from now on me thinks - ppl wanna go rvr now..

PS: Arnor har du noen fine scrolls til Maddening Scalars, eller? :touch:

 

[Fafner]

You bring a huge zerg around to get shit done fast and efficient.

Eeheh, you bring a huge zerg to get things done. PERIOD... noting efficient about zergs.

if he takes up scrolls in bgloot, they should get lottod if not said something else.

I agree, anything picked up in bg loot should be lottoed/claimed or handed out as prizes...
If you cant be arsed to lotto scrols as well as drops.. then let it go to who ever did the most dmg.. set /bg lootlevel 50 then you wont have to care about any lvl 49 crap armour or any scrolls.. chances are that the raid leader has a pretty strong group he wont miss out on scrolls.. of course if any scrolls happen to drop while bg lootlevel is set to 0 for quest drops, tough luck.
But raid leader do have to keep in mind that ppl wil flame them if they forget mentioning the slightest detail.. but I recon most raid leaders expect to get flamed no matter what.
And even if they keep nothing for themselves, they would probably get flamed anyway.


Not a bad raid.. usual stuff happened.. The near wipes because ppl dont listen or run ahead, that kinda thing. Nut it was completed for most.. only 1 was forced to release to my knowledge and only a few who hadnt realized it might take more than 1 hour, and were forced to leave mid raid..

I dont mind raid leaders making it worth their own while.. But even if most of us knew Arnor likes to claim the trophy it wasnt actually noted in the raid post.. thought it was when he said it on the raid.. but no..

So, Raid Leader, goes for wannabees too; please make sure the rules are clearly stated in the raid announcement.

Imo, only ppl who didnt get loot whine.. or what did any of you get?

 

[Marczje]

bad teddy

 

[Blane]

whine more plz !!



Arnor rulez your ass

 

[Arnor]

yep, make up your own minds

I said how i'd do the loot beforehand, if you feel those rules were greedy, cheating or pink, you could have stayed home.

Now please, whine some more mate.

Thanks to the people who did the explaining for me in this thread. Just wanted to stop by and tell ppl to make up their own minds.

 

[Calo]

why should we be happy ? its not that ml7 raids are hard and take longer then 3 hours, oke this one did.

its not hard to find out that at 7.10 u aim the trebs to SW spot and the 3 others spots are perfectly reachable for the tanks, on this raid arnor had to call blazor for making a really strange & long way to kill 7.10.


I know u can do good raids arnor, but yesterday...

 

[Thorarin]

To be honest this is pretty blatant stealing. Arnor, you haven't mentioned anything about claiming or lotto'ing scrolls, but you conveniently lowered the BG lootlevel to include scrolls.
If you don't want to bother with lottoing scrolls, don't lower the loot level.

Oh well, fairly simple solution, don't go on Arnor raids as he will claim everything not specifically spelled out to be lotto'd

 

[Fafner]

Heh, actually joined the raid last minute.. So I probably missed it if rules were listed then.. thats another reason I'd recomend posting the rules here on FH.. So noone can have any excuse for being surprized at lotto.. then you can even kick ppl from bg if they refuse to accept those rules.. fairest way imo.. well fairest way would be if we had some sort of afk meter... and could give loot to those that had actually been present for at least 50% of the raid

 

[Fenderon]

I never claimed that you were stealing, at least I did not intend to. I'm just requesting a better explanation of what you will and will not claim/lotto on your raids. Not wait for you to decide 3 minutes before the actual lotto.

Also having a tactic for the harder steps ready before you start it and not just listen to someone in bg (no offence intended, blazor) 20 seconds before you say "GO GO KILL!"

For those who say "but you get the steps done, shut up" there are people that may allready have the steps done but need maybe that one scroll.. or that one item that drops from that mob.. a mob thats not farmable with anything less than 30 people.

Things can allways go smoother, and they can not. 7.8 yesterday was done very well.

Please make lthe lottorules part of your announcements a bit bigger and more detailed and I will most likely join your next raid. If you let me.

 

[Arnor]

With regards to why the raid was so crappy (from the ml9 thread):

now, first. scrolls: I said earlier that scroll randoming would be up to my discretion. There dropped one good scroll as you all know, which i gave to a raid assistant. The rest i gave to a random dude in the bg, after asking ppl who wanted them to step forward.

buffbot/main char. this was a slip from me. I wouldnt have allowed it if i'd thought about it, but the thought didnt even cross my mind until i saw the lotto in the end. At which point it was too late to ban the ppl involved because I hadnt warned them first.

Third: As i said in my post, what was being randomed was as follows: All unique items, and all mp items, and rog items at my discretion. This was what i stuck with, though it was kinda blurry on the remains part (fact was i hadnt decided until the end when 50 ppl pm'ed and asked me to give them remains for some reason)

Fourth, blazor.
He has been a great help to me, both on this raid and on the ml4 raid, and for that I felt he should be rewarded. A key, is imo the second lowest lootshit you can possibly get, only surpassed by various lgm ingredients. The lgm ingredients i had already stashed on a guildie since i had full inv, so i had forgotten about those (as you saw it didnt get randomed until the end) Which is why i felt that the most P.O.S loot i could give that could still be used by him was a key.


Now, I am truely sorry for any misunderstandings, the raid was run very poorly by me due to outside factors (lack of sleep, comming from 12hr workday and straight to the raid, and other rl factors)
For this, I apologize, I lead the raid rather poorly, forgot to spawn katorii's pets, and had to go afk at times so blazor had to take over.

Lootwise, yes I couldve handled it alot better. But again rl factors, and me being abit fussy at announcement and counting on everyone reading FH first.

hmm, what more...thanks to nightbringer, kirash and blazor for stepping up when needed, and taking initiative. pantera's key should have gone to kirash, and nightbringer shouldve gotten one too tbh (with the logic i was using) dunno why pantera got one, all he did was nag for trophy

In retrospect, dont lead raids with 12hr workday, little sleep and less food under your buckle.

As for ml9, due to various input, I will cancel my ml9 raid, and do a ml6 raid instead. (though, if no interest at all for ml6, ill prolly do ml9 to not let down all the ppl who have punched this on their schedules, we'll see)

I will do a ml9 raid yes, I will do a ml10 raid too, but it will prolly be a while, since im gonna take my time with my next raid, and im having a short vacation very soon.

For my next raid(which will be sometime next week) I will try to get the following:
Crystal clear rules for loot, announced both on FH and in BG before we leave.
A raidleader that can actually focus on the raid for more then 10mins stretches.
Random awards to random ppl (if someone has to take over the raid for a while, if someone does something special, if someone takes initiative etc) (yes this might be anything from ROg's to scrolls to keys, NO uniques though) (life IS unfair, get a fucking helmet and stfu)
NO double-randoming, if you bring a bb fine, but your not getting 2 items(or 2 chances for items, mlxp; mlsteps etc are enough)


IF ml9 goes through as planned initially, I *might* claim one item, I havent decided yet, but I will inform the bg in due time, and i will NOT random for anything if i claim sumt.


That is all, Arnor out

 

[Arnor]

Please make lthe lottorules part of your announcements a bit bigger and more detailed and I will most likely join your next raid. If you let me.

Speaking your mind is _always_ allowed. Preferably in pm, since /y/bg/as&fh can seem like slander.

You are all entitled to your opinons and there will be no arbitrary bannings from raids for ppl speaking their minds.


Like i said, this ml7 raid was a farce, and a bad one. For that I apologize and read my above post.

 

[etcetra]

Arnor you bonde.

 

[Klonk]

Lol you thane ^^

I would love a ml6 raid, givf 6.10..

 

[Hestethun]

Arnor