State of the game?

[Sharkith]

Seems boring at the moment.

 

[LordjOX]

Depends where you are in EVE. I'm at my parents house for this month, but in June I've had more fun in EVE than ever. Next patch also looks very promising. Small and medium rigs, fuel bays for specialist ships and LP rewards for pvp kills in FW.

 

[`mongoose]

I think the north is dull again. The Naptrain have kept their mutual blue standings so there are, in effect, two huge power blocks that are unlikely to attack each other in the near future.

I think most sides in eve at present are settling in for some rebuilding of iskies and assets after what has been a pretty cataclysmic 12 months of action.

Stain looks like it might have been interesting although I hear KIA moved North to fight someone almost the same day TRI moved into stain to fight them. That made me chuckle I must admit. There will be loads of action in Stain for TRI to fight tho so I'm sure they'll be happy.

We'll see who resets whom next. Either way there's sure to be plenty of drama

D

 

[LordjOX]

North looks boring yes. You have some elements like WN in venal making trouble for them there, but otherwise it seems pretty quiet.
In the south near drone regions it looks like action is going to spark up. Lots of smaller piratey alliances and ATLAS have rushed to the space RA had sov in after the recent internal failings. Plus IRC and ED are packing bags.
AGGRO have also collapsed internally and immensea is up for grabs, but who will take it?
And of course alot of people wonder where the next goon campaign is going to be aimed at with bob retreating to empire.

 

[Ctuchik]

oooh, NOW i see whats wrong with the map, RA is gone. i couldn't figure out what it was earlier

 

[Ctuchik]

anyone have a link as to what happened with RA? cant find anything on SHC.

 

[`mongoose]

I'm sure there was a massive drama bomb with various people leaving and taking stuff with them that may or may not have been theirs (that was almost 2 years ago now, however)

Other than that I think alot of people moved to other russian alliances/corps in eve and the alliance slowly dwindled to nothing. It was definitely more of a slow whimper than a bang.

D

 

[Ctuchik]

hmm, yeah probably.

figured something was wrong when they failed so horribly in their last war, even with the help of a corp thief. just didnt think it was that bad.

 

[Gef]

A few of the larger RA corps joined -A- after some internal strife, the rest just kind of trickled out.

 

[`mongoose]

I've gotta say I've been very impressed with -A-. There's some smart cookies in that alliance. Atm there's very little territorial warfare - it seems to be mainly roams and shits n giggles pvp - like the PL/NC dread massacre the other night.

Moon income has made it so some alliances can effectively afford to throw away dreads at an astonishing rate. It's easy to see how bob did so well for so long when one considers what their income must have been from their moons.

The best thing about eve however is that even after all this time... one can still stumble accross
Rionnag Alba Killboard Killboard - Kill details in 0.0



for those of you interested in the NC / PL dread bash - write up here: Scrapheap Challenge :: View topic - Low Sec Empire

and I think a fairly decent killboard summary is here:
Northern Coalition Killboard - Battleoverview

M

 

[Ctuchik]

kinda makes it all pretty pointless tho doesent it?

supercaps were "supposed" to be something pretty rare and expensive like hell to lose. and atm only titans still are, but even those start to become common enough now.


pretty sure there will be a point in the not so distant future that will make CCP do some major changes on this. as i'm sure it was never intended to see massive dread fleets blow eachother up just for shits n' giggles and not really bother either side...

 

[`mongoose]

kinda makes it all pretty pointless tho doesent it?

supercaps were "supposed" to be something pretty rare and expensive like hell to lose. and atm only titans still are, but even those start to become common enough now.


pretty sure there will be a point in the not so distant future that will make CCP do some major changes on this. as i'm sure it was never intended to see massive dread fleets blow eachother up just for shits n' giggles and not really bother either side...

I have no idea what they are (not really being interested in anything that doesn't result in either my or my opponent's ship exploding) but I am reliably informed that there is a great deal of confidence that the upcoming sov revamp and nerfing of moons will result in massive changes to moon income and 0,0 space holding.

On SHC (Scrapheap Challenge :: for those of you not in the know) ViperShizzle of Pandemic Legion has proposed some fantastic possible options for revision of sovreinty and pos infrastructure which I think is admirable considering that PL are one of the main alliances benefiting from the status quo at present (Fountain being a veritable gold mine of sexy R64 moons).

They mainly revolved around nerfing of moon incomes and also making crucial mods like Cyno Jammers and Jump Bridges take up most of a tower cpu making Faction Cyno Jammer Death Stars impossible thus allowing easier sieging of space.

Unfortunately I think we won't get around the whole ease of Dreadnaught provision now - I can see ccp considering T2 Dreads at some point however. That ( along with certain mothership and titan changes) could see a complete revolution of current pos/sov/siege mechanics.

UNlike other mmos I've played recently I actually have confidence that CCP won't completely fubar the game in the next major revamp and in the meantime I'm loving griefing providence in stealth bombers or trucking around in RR BS gangs. Whilst I'm gutted the nano and mass nerf hit my beloved sabre so hard - I'm delighted to see the variety of gangs and fits that are around now rather than everyone being in nano shit or nano cloaky shit

M

 

[Ctuchik]

speaking of high value moons. what happened to moving those moons around the universe so 1 or a select few alliances wouldn't have access to them all all the time and spice up the conflics a little?

or was that only asteroid belts?

 

[LordjOX]

The best thing about eve however is that even after all this time... one can still stumble accross
Rionnag Alba Killboard Killboard - Kill details in 0.0

Oh man, providence providence providence.... Gotta love it.

I spend most of my time in EVE roaming upper and lower providence these days (I'm in U'K) and there is alot of fun to be had. Basically the place alliances go to get some guarranteed fun when their sick of bashing POS. Which I guess there isn't much of for many of the big alliances nowdays.

Unfortunately I think we won't get around the whole ease of Dreadnaught provision now - I can see ccp considering T2 Dreads at some point however. That ( along with certain mothership and titan changes) could see a complete revolution of current pos/sov/siege mechanics.

M

I'm also very excited about the coming sovereignity changes and what it will involve. Current alliances occupy so much space they don't really use, except holding the top moons in some constellations, players might not actually live there.

In addition, I'd reckon most of the current playerbase (bar the newbs) groan at the thought of bashing yet another POS. Especially since the enemy put up towers with hardeners in every empty moon right after downtime before the attack. The key word here is boring.

If you've read the newest E-ON, there's some thought from other players and comments from CCP. They want to take sov mechanics away from moons and POS. Put the focus on capital ships without pushing them out of the game. And maybe let players develop 0.0 space further than just building stations and putting up POS.

So in the end, I hope that smaller alliances are able to impact sov on huge player-run empires, allowing for smaller powerblocs being able to claim sov and make a living in 0.0.

Seriously looking forward to the winter expansion and what it brings.

 

[Ctuchik]

So in the end, I hope that smaller alliances are able to impact sov on huge player-run empires, allowing for smaller powerblocs being able to claim sov and make a living in 0.0.

isnt that whats going on now with all the NAP blocks?

sure there may not be complete SOV the smaller corps/alliances get but they are free to roam (almost) wherever they want inside the main alliance space.

i doubt there will be a big enough change of the sov system that will allow small alliances to hold proper sov tbh.

so unless CCP actually start to enforce it the big alliances will always rule supreme and own 99% of 0.0, not because they have to but because they can, and there will be nothing CCP can do about it.

 

[`mongoose]

The problem is not really with the mechanics. It's the people who play the game that form the naps not the game itself.

The cost of losing space is so high, the risk of losing access to all of your assets and everything you've worked in game for so great that there was always going to be an element of "blob" about space holding.

D

 

[old.Osy]

As in real life, really.

Tbh, small alliances can live in NPC controlled 0.0 space - there's isk to be made everywhere.

Blobbing can be avoided - just go to Syndicate

 

[LordjOX]

Well, I am of a different opinion. POS mechanics is a flawed method of claiming sov to a system because it involves no fun and does indeed encourage blobbing. You can't really change how players play the game, but there should be mechanics to discourage blobbing or even make them split and spread around.

Sure it's fine to live in 0.0 NPC but I think alot of players believe it not to be fully "theirs", as you don't have any control of the system and stations except with brute force.

 

[old.Osy]

Brute Force you say?

Why isn't that what made things interesting in EvE _before_ POS systems? Isn't that what sparkled insta-conflicts, instead of the weeks of planning you need to do now to "invade" someone?

I mean... just think about it.

 

[LordjOX]

Yeah but players want to be able to control who docks and not, who gets offices and have their corp name connected to the station and alliance name in the upper left corner. Not possible without some sov mechanic.

 

[Ctuchik]

maybe not a bad idea to remove player operated stations then imo..

would certainly make stuff alot more interesting.

 

[LordjOX]

Great fun in 2J yesterday

Ctuchik: you got alot of things to say even though you're not playing

 

[`mongoose]

Great fun in 2J yesterday

Ctuchik: you got alot of things to say even though you're not playing

Lord which side were you on?

It was a great fight for me. Started at midday right after DT. I went in a guardian and was having lots of fun until some tard accidentally squad warped as we were leaving the field.

His squad warp reset my warp and I was bubbled before I could get out. :EPICFAIL:

I got back into a tempest and returned to the fight for a while before we took an hours break. I came back in the evening for more fun winsauce stuff.

Funniest thing about last night was RZR RR BS gang jumping into system, killing the large bubbles (thus allowing our reinforcements easy entrance to the system) and getting pretty heavily sniped by CVA & Provifriends. They jumped out right into three doomsdays from our sneaky beaky titan pilots.

That put a smile on my face...... almost as much as this:
The Initiative. Killboard - Related kills & losses

Even funnier when i realised one of the guys who they got used to be in UK Corp with me. He was very quiet when I mentioned this in the ex-ukc channel we have on the go. I must poke him about it when I see him next

D

 

[Ctuchik]

Ctuchik: you got alot of things to say even though you're not playing

point being?

 

[LordjOX]

Lord which side were you on?

It was a great fight for me. Started at midday right after DT. I went in a guardian and was having lots of fun until some tard accidentally squad warped as we were leaving the field.

His squad warp reset my warp and I was bubbled before I could get out. :EPICFAIL:

I got back into a tempest and returned to the fight for a while before we took an hours break. I came back in the evening for more fun winsauce stuff.

Funniest thing about last night was RZR RR BS gang jumping into system, killing the large bubbles (thus allowing our reinforcements easy entrance to the system) and getting pretty heavily sniped by CVA & Provifriends. They jumped out right into three doomsdays from our sneaky beaky titan pilots.

That put a smile on my face...... almost as much as this:
The Initiative. Killboard - Related kills & losses

Even funnier when i realised one of the guys who they got used to be in UK Corp with me. He was very quiet when I mentioned this in the ex-ukc channel we have on the go. I must poke him about it when I see him next

D

Was an awesome day for me aswell, CCP have done wonders with the lag, I hardly noticed it. (now it's more down to computer specs really)

I was on U'Ks side of course . That is together with AAA and Atlas. Non-stop action that day. U'K went to a 0.6 system to kill a Sylph POS we had reinforced two days before. We managed to snag 7 of the 9 labs anchored there.

AAA asked us to help them in 2J since they were vastly outnumbered. About 90 AAA vs ~200 provibloc. We went toward there and got titan bridged in to F4R. Swapped to sniper Tempest. Then order came that we were to get in to 2J from ZXIC under cover from AAA's snipers.

Then we had a fleet fight for about 20-30 minutes, losses on both sides. Immensly fun, both friendly and hostile fleets warped out. I guess we "won" that one, but didn't have numbers to hold the field.

And yes, regrouped at the friendly POS, FC fleet warped to the hostile POS once and back again (provibloc must have been laughing). Then U'K wingcommander warps wing to the gate and gets bubbled. (managed to cancel warp, but some poor buggers didn't)

Then some back and forth between hostile POS killing BS outside the shield. Then we took a break waiting for more numbers. I went to read a book, 3 hours later I had missed an epic fleet fight but got back in time to kill the two towers.

I kinda like that my name starts with 'U' though, guys lower down in the alphabet die pretty fast if they're caught in bubbles

RZR getting killed by provi then by doomsday was pretty funny. Later PL came in with sniper hac gang and harassed abit

At the same time on my other character I was busy stealing a DG large from Sylph which they were unanchoring... Almost managed to get a second aswell in the same system.

You're charname is Dacovale if I remember correct? Then we were on the same side

Corp also had some positive things to say about you:

[ 2009.08.15 18:22:42 ] Karazack > oh look its Daco
[ 2009.08.15 18:22:50 ] Amith Silvermoon > yeah

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[ 2009.08.15 18:56:27 ] incom1ng > OMG
[ 2009.08.15 18:56:33 ] incom1ng > [18:53:34] Dacovale > right afk for 30 mate
[ 2009.08.15 18:56:34 ] T Marvin > sure
[ 2009.08.15 18:56:36 ] T Marvin > omv
[ 2009.08.15 18:56:37 ] incom1ng > DACO!!!
[ 2009.08.15 18:56:48 ] LynxMF > ?
[ 2009.08.15 18:56:59 ] incom1ng > from the insrg times
[ 2009.08.15 18:57:13 ] LynxMF > ah
[ 2009.08.15 18:57:28 ] incom1ng > really nice guy
[ 2009.08.15 18:57:43 ] Lilan Kahn > dacofails and join the celestial lolipop grabge takeing in corp
[ 2009.08.15 18:58:17 ] incom1ng > <3 daci
[ 2009.08.15 18:58:22 ] incom1ng > daco even

 

[`mongoose]

Wedie are a great bunch of guys

Yeah I wasn't sure whether you were in wedie or not hence the question. It has to have been the best day I've had in eve since the insrg days. That was a serious firefight - I was just gutted we didn't have more FSI. If we'd had more logistics we'd have won far quicker and far more convincingly

M

 

[LordjOX]

Yeah it was alot of back and forth and pretty even aswell. Again, great fun

Don't quite know why -A- wanted to take down system now, it's got plenty of time to get to sov3 to anchor cynojammer after all.

Corp also talks about "insurgency days" like it's an audience with the Pope or something

 

[Ctuchik]

wouldn't mind M0o/CA days back here. proper fun stuff back then.

 

[LordjOX]

Your maelstrom is right below me, Dacovale

 

[taB]

CVA got disbanded last night by a hacked director's account. CCP seem to have undone all the damage and they're back to normal now. Was really good to see AAA, U'K, et al. offering to help defend if necessary. Wouldn't be the same game without Providence .

Oh, and in other news: I resubbed whoops.