spiritmasters in rvr

[Diddledum]

how many rvr gps run with spiritmasters on a regular basis?

Is it a first choice - how easy is it to get a grp as one??

Thanks

A potential to be rvr spirtmaster

 

[Bloodclot]

90% of the mid rvr groups run with dark spiritmasters.

- they can take a load of melee hits/ archers cause of the pet intercept so some midgroups on excal run even without BG.

- red dex/quickdebuff + banelord from bd/zerk ml1 (zone of unmana) cripples the casters biiigggtime. 5sec cast on a spreadheal anyone?

- nice lifetap nuke, and a getto ae-mezz that lasts 15secs but good enough for fg fights.

- nice solo char if you can't get a group.

- ml9 pet

 

[Eva]

Yeah Bloodclot pretty much summed it up. Dark sms are really good, infact they got the best dps in the game of the single nuking casters. Nice util, good solo ability.

I can't see there being room for a supp sm in a group though, unless you go for a 100% pbae group which I havn't seen for ages.

 

[Bigbrother]

yepp

what the first guy said
well , i do see more and more supp sm running outthere , guess thats because of all the nice tower/keeptakes

 

[Chronictank]

will be tank grps again soon so if you planning on rolling one i suggest you dont

 

[Eregion]

will be tank grps again soon so if you planning on rolling one i suggest you dont

it will be just as viable as it is now imo

 

[Bugz]

will be tank grps again soon so if you planning on rolling one i suggest you dont

Tank groups will still run with a caster for interrupts, debuffs, damage etc.

 

[Chronictank]

Tank groups will still run with a caster for interrupts, debuffs, damage etc.

yes they are called bonedancers
have everything a sm has and banelord

if you gona say they have higher dps, why have a sm when you can have a rm? better dmg and nearsight
or a warlock interupts and banelord

so no they wont be as viable as they are now

 

[Eva]

Sm's got higher dps than dark rms. Dex debuffs, ghetto mezz. More util than a rm. Overpowered intercepting pet. I can't see a reason they would not have a spot in a group, can still kill fast as hell. I think you're overestimating the det boost, yes it will be cc immunity, or close, but that won't mean that it will be PURE tanks. Casters still got very very nice dps when uninterupted.

 

[Kanim]

yes they are called bonedancers
have everything a sm has and banelord

if you gona say they have higher dps, why have a sm when you can have a rm? better dmg and nearsight
or a warlock interupts and banelord

so no they wont be as viable as they are now

rm is too weak without bg and bg in a mid grp is not really 'opted'. bd is taken mainly for interupts whereas sm is pretty much pure dps and as close to melee immune as you can get without bg. They will be as viable if not more after the det boost due to the op intercept pet, moc + lt nukes. Iirc you have a sm yourself so im sure your aware of just how balanced the intercept rate on the pet is

 

[Olgaline]

ml9 pet, debuffs, ghetto mezz, root, LT, brittle guards, sw, or pbaoe str/con debuff, single target mezz ect, cant really see why there wouldnt be room for them..but ye looking forward to the new det since if i got it right Stoicism 25% + new det5 55% = 80% reduction

 

[moik]

yes they are called bonedancers
have everything a sm has and banelord

if you gona say they have higher dps, why have a sm when you can have a rm? better dmg and nearsight
or a warlock interupts and banelord

so no they wont be as viable as they are now

Having played most setups, i very much prefer having a SM in group as a solo caster. We tried with BD a few times but it doesn't come close to having a SM. When free, a SM can kill so much so fast and still have so good survivability and utility. What i missed most without a SM in group was a good petkiller, having tanks running around killing pets could work but it would be far less efficient.

 

[Stallion]

a melee immune caster, what else do you want?

 

[Dorin]

bd is nice (retarded gay insta etc) but mainly for interrupt purposes meanwhile sm dmg output is very nice + can cripple enemy casters with dex/qui and dex debuff + intercept pet makes your life easier.

spec dark, supp sm isnt vialable anymore, dark is just way better... though get lowbie pbae for theurg pets.

 

[noaim]

a melee immune caster, what else do you want?

Self debuffing

 

[Chronictank]

Stoicism 25% + new det5 55% = 80% reduction

not quite it will stil be 25% + 55% worked out seperately like aom but yes welcome back dark age of tankalot

Sm's got higher dps than dark rms

Wrong
A good rm will lead with a debuff so will do more dmg than a sm

 

[Melachi]

not quite it will stil be 25% + 55% worked out seperately like aom but yes welcome back dark age of tankalot


Wrong
A good rm will lead with a debuff so will do more dmg than a sm

Well technically he was right since he said a SM would do more dps than a dark rm, dark rm's dont get debuff ;P

 

[Chronictank]

Well technically he was right since he said a SM would do more dps than a dark rm, dark rm's dont get debuff ;P

Hungins Claw 175d 10% cold debuff

 

[Olgaline]

not quite it will stil be 25% + 55% worked out seperately like aom but yes welcome back dark age of tankalot

from Ra site :
- Reduces the duration of all forms of crowd control by 25%. Stacks with Determination.

from grab bag :
- Q: I was wondering - since determination 5 for armsmen is 55%, and armsmen have a natural 25% resist to CC, what happens when resists take CC resist to 100% or greater?

A: This is one for Code Ed, and he replied: "While Stoicism and Determination are additive with respect to each other, they are multiplicative with respect to the rest of the duration determining factors. Therefore, it isn't possible to get the CC duration reduction to 100%."


sounds to me like they do stack to 80%

 

[Chronictank]

didnt when i tested on US but then i didnt do it exensively and did only get rough numbers cus i was limited to det2

I stand corrected
woo det 5 \o/

 

[Melachi]

Hungins Claw 175d 10% cold debuff

Hungins Claw
175 * 0.1 = 17.5
175 + 17.5 = 192.5
192.5 / 3 = 64.16

Extinguish Lifeforce
183 / 2.5 = 73.2

lifetap also has some extra damage bonus I believe (was on VN a while ago) plus it gives hp back ;O

 

[Septima]

I think chronic meaned was after hugins Claw you start casting your dark spec DD (greater rune of shadow) who delves for 219. Since your target is still debuffed you would have on second and next casts a dps of 80.3 on that target.


But i always thought hungins was bugged and only debuffed for 5%?

 

[Olgaline]

running in random groups you some times end up with funny situations
ever tried having a rc'er & dark sm cross -50 debuff then assist for each other ?
note: not saying it's opted in any form, just kinda funny

forgot to try a rc'er debuffing pre nerf for a WL

 

[Lethul]

Hungins Claw
175 * 0.1 = 17.5
175 + 17.5 = 192.5
192.5 / 3 = 64.16

Extinguish Lifeforce
183 / 2.5 = 73.2

lifetap also has some extra damage bonus I believe (was on VN a while ago) plus it gives hp back ;O

correct, 183*1.09 / 2.5 = 79.8 dps

 

[moik]

But if you wanna count the DPS between SM and RM you also have to take into consideration that the RM dies as soon as a chargetank looks at him while the SM doesn't. So let's say that in a normal fight, a SM can get off 5 times more nukes than RM, so it doesnt matter if the RM nukes slightly harder since SM will outdmg him even with lvl 40 nukes.

 

[Ravencroft]

Hungins Claw
175 * 0.1 = 17.5
175 + 17.5 = 192.5
192.5 / 3 = 64.16

Extinguish Lifeforce
183 / 2.5 = 73.2

lifetap also has some extra damage bonus I believe (was on VN a while ago) plus it gives hp back ;O

think its munins claw u r after

 

[noaim]

I think chronic meaned was after hugins Claw you start casting your dark spec DD (greater rune of shadow) who delves for 219. Since your target is still debuffed you would have on second and next casts a dps of 80.3 on that target.


But i always thought hungins was bugged and only debuffed for 5%?

I think it reduces 5%, plus another 5% if the target has resistbuff up.

 

[Bistrup666]

running in random groups you some times end up with funny situations
ever tried having a rc'er & dark sm cross -50 debuff then assist for each other ?
note: not saying it's opted in any form, just kinda funny

forgot to try a rc'er debuffing pre nerf for a WL

Ye tried out wl rc duo just for the fun it was unbelieveble nasty.

Even on a good template it's easy to put in a 350+ DoT.

But Rc + dark sm usually only debuff 30 for eachother unless u specc 48 rc and sm usually don't spec for the last energy debuff either.
But fun anyways.

 

[Brohanith]

how many rvr gps run with spiritmasters on a regular basis?

Is it a first choice - how easy is it to get a grp as one??

Thanks

A potential to be rvr spirtmaster

Bokke runs with at least 1 sm in grp, and mostly 2. Both assisting our runemaster.

We tried a tank-grp a few times but the caster set-up seems more effective for the time being.

Hope this answers your question.

Peace out