Spirit/Matter Cabby & Ice Wizzie duo?

[thegreatest]

I want to try this duo out with a friend but will this work? Reason I ask it is because I havent seen this duo mentioned often, most mentioned duo's are the friar/paladin duo and of course the 2x deathsight necro duo for uber fast xping..But we of course want both something different and fun, so decided to give these 2 a try...Will we have problems with the pets hp going down in no-time when we focus pull a few yellows or even 2-3 oranges at same time? Comments please

 

[amuse]

pets hp wont drop that fast... not if u use the life tap proc pet.

 

[thegreatest]

Originally posted by amuse
pets hp wont drop that fast... not if u use the life tap proc pet.

oh

what pet does proc lifetap?

 

[Coffeus]

Works fine but would go for Matter/Body Cabalist..so you can throw the health transfers on wizard if all goes wrong. Should bring aggro back on you and wizard can finish the pull. Sapphire pet procs lifetaps.

Hope this info helps

 

[thegreatest]

yep that was another option Ive thought about but still I think the 51 dex/qui and stre/con buffs + haste buffs + resist debuffs (for rvr) would work out better than the health transfer the body line has...

 

[Coffeus]

Just get to 50 then /respec Matter Magic then spec Spirit/Body. There you go one RvR useful Cabalist ^^

 

[old.ivan]

Levelling a cabby solo just now, must say that pets hp will drop faster than it hurts 3 yellow con mobs. Wont be enough to hold aggro off PBaoe. Imo Cabby + Necro or Cabby + Sorc would work better.

 

[Coffeus]

Originally posted by old.ivan
Levelling a cabby solo just now, must say that pets hp will drop faster than it hurts 3 yellow con mobs. Wont be enough to hold aggro off PBaoe. Imo Cabby + Necro or Cabby + Sorc would work better.

yeah 20.3 DPS dmg at level 30 matter spec on all mobs attacking the pet sucks for holding aggro

 

[Duzzy]

Currently exping a group of:

Matter Cabalist
Mind Sorcerer
Ice Wizard

I can tell you, this group rocks

 

[thegreatest]

Ive tested it today in df, tried on a red con plated fiend, the aggro the pet holds is fine...Only thing is my cabby friend died every time . It was just a test tho and I had not much time to explain how we were gonna pull (+ red con mob is lots of resists on pbaoe at low lvl).

Big shame tho that alb needs 2 classes to do something hib can do with 1 class (enchanter)..And enchanter + bard combo > all...

 

[amuse]

the pet wont have any problem holding the aggro, as it uses Focus Shield. for those of u that dont know how it works, it is a dmg shield, that keeps all the aggro, nomather what, on the pet.
the only thing is that the cabby cant move/cast or nything, but its worth it in a pb grp

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

Matter Cabalist
Mind Sorcerer
Ice Wizard

Good template.

However, going matter is necessary, so you won't have good pet buffs. Thus I'd highly recommend using aa buffbot aswell, if not, get an enh/rejuv cleric in the group aswell - vs 4 reds/orgs, a pet w/o buffs won't last long at all, but if you buff it, it will be uber - buffs on pets are broken and can make a pet much more effective than an equal level tank.

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by Coffeus
yeah 20.3 DPS dmg at level 30 matter spec on all mobs attacking the pet sucks for holding aggro

I should have explained more thoroughly , since you are focused you cant heal your pet and the damage that the shield will do wont be enough for holding aggro and keep both casters alive. Now do you see what i mean ?

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by thegreatest
Big shame tho that alb needs 2 classes to do something hib can do with 1 class (enchanter)..And enchanter + bard combo > all...

Yep or your duo + a cleric to keep pet alive + some means of mana regen < bard and mana chanter

 

[amuse]

Originally posted by old.ivan
I should have explained more thoroughly , since you are focused you cant heal your pet and the damage that the shield will do wont be enough for holding aggro and keep both casters alive. Now do you see what i mean ?

didnt u hear what i said??

The focus shield works like this: Its a dmg shield that does good dmg, and nomather how high dmg the icewizz/sorc, or any other class for that sake does, the aggro stays on the pet. BUT if the cabby moves, cast or do anything, the focus sheild drops. sometimes it drops if the mob u set ur pet to atack dies, then u just hafto recast it.
and remember, u havfo recast the focus shield after EVERY pull. it drops when the mob u sent ur pet to atack dies.

 

[thegreatest]

We have both played on hib/excal as well as an enchanter/bard combo, so we know how focus pulling works. Of course we are not gonna let the focus stay till the mobs are dead, its enough that the focus gets the mobs to 60%. Then it can be dropped and the pet can be healed/mobs dotted/pbaoe'd etc...Anyway, I think we have some more time today to test it out. Cabby's final spec is gonna be 40 matter 36 spirit btw (good template?)

we both dont have a buffbot (yea its a shame isnt it :x). A third person in the group isnt possible as we cant play every day and we are mostly playing on various times (he's a rl friend)

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by amuse
didnt u hear what i said??

The focus shield works like this: Its a dmg shield that does good dmg, and nomather how high dmg the icewizz/sorc, or any other class for that sake does, the aggro stays on the pet. BUT if the cabby moves, cast or do anything, the focus sheild drops. sometimes it drops if the mob u set ur pet to atack dies, then u just hafto recast it.
and remember, u havfo recast the focus shield after EVERY pull. it drops when the mob u sent ur pet to atack dies.

Ok, one last attempt. I KNOW what focus pulling is, have been soloing for ages with it, no need to try to explain it, in admittedly unclear way. I am stating the obvious, in practice, the reflection shield wont manage to hold aggro for a long period of time if attacked by more than 2 yellow cons <that is the pet with base cabby buffs>.
Comprende ?

 

[thegreatest]

Hi~!!!!oneone

It doesnt matter how many mobs attack the pet, even if it is 100 purple con mobs, he will hold aggro because he does the same amount of damage to all mobs (cause focus shield = damage when the pet IS hit, not when the pet hits the mobs)...Only thing that can go wrong is that the pet will die and all the aggro will naturally transfer to his owner...But like I said we have tested it out and the pet holds aggro fine when you break the focus shield after the mobs go down to 60%..Then you can pbaoe/aoe dot/heal the pet, but not before! Maybe you did something wrong (like breaking the focus shield too early), thats why the pet failed to hold aggro with you? Not sure...

 

[Melachi-]

lol

I think what Ivan is trying to say is.....

Without buffs from a bot or high enhance grouped cleric, your pet will die very fast, thus not hold aggro, try reading his post :x

ohh and amuse, your wrong on one part of the Focus shield, it doesnt make the pet hold aggro constantly, it does generate an awful ammount of aggro, but its possible to take it from the pet, seen it happen many a time in hib when a druid would cast a large heal after the pet has only been hit once, you gotta let em build up the aggro first.

 

[thegreatest]

again...

spec:

SPIRIT/MATTER

SPIRIT: DEX/QUI, CONST/STRE Buff, EQUAL!!! to the cleric ENHANC line...

END SPEC: Spirit 36 Matter 40

Gives: 2nd best focus shield, 2nd best aoe dot, 2nd best ALL buffs (51 dex/qui 51 stre/con)

comprendre oui oui?

oh and I know that it will be very difficult without a healer, look at my first post thats why I asked if the pets health would drop fast or not...So if ivan says, without buffbot you are screwed, he's wrong (cabby spec buffs = cleric enhance line)

 

[amuse]

Originally posted by Melachi[Mid]
lol

I think what Ivan is trying to say is.....

Without buffs from a bot or high enhance grouped cleric, your pet will die very fast, thus not hold aggro, try reading his post :x

ohh and amuse, your wrong on one part of the Focus shield, it doesnt make the pet hold aggro constantly, it does generate an awful ammount of aggro, but its possible to take it from the pet, seen it happen many a time in hib when a druid would cast a large heal after the pet has only been hit once, you gotta let em build up the aggro first.

there is some truth in this. but the fact is, that once the mob has hit the pet once, while the focus shield is on, the mob will stay on the mob.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

spirit spec buffs arent enough. you really need proper buffs from a cleric to do it m8. try it without cleric buffs, but ppl giving u this advice won't pay for u 2 get ur con back

 

[Coffeus]

Originally posted by old.ivan
I should have explained more thoroughly , since you are focused you cant heal your pet and the damage that the shield will do wont be enough for holding aggro and keep both casters alive. Now do you see what i mean ?

Once the pull has taken a few hits from the dmg sheild its pretty much safe to strafe out of focus throw a heal out and recast. I dont see how you can come to the event of the pet loosing aggro..I played matter spec for along time and the only sure fire way i could find of getting aggro off the focus sheild was hitting the "omfg what is that stupid creature doing key" (aka pet release)

 

[thegreatest]

Originally posted by old.SadonTheGrey
spirit spec buffs arent enough. you really need proper buffs from a cleric to do it m8. try it without cleric buffs, but ppl giving u this advice won't pay for u 2 get ur con back

Ok, now the conclusion is:

Ice Wizzie/Matter Cabbie duo is a bad one, and won't work out...

this is all I wanted to know actually

 

[iguk]

Originally posted by thegreatest
Ok, now the conclusion is:

Ice Wizzie/Matter Cabbie duo is a bad one, and won't work out...

this is all I wanted to know actually

It will work.....will be alot better if you have a cleric oog tho

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

^^

 

[Fightersuntzu]

It would be quite a bit better with a rej/enh cleric, and it does work (Mrcoffee and my ice wiz did it a bit here and there).

Its just all in the timing, dont PBAE too fast and dont let the pet get too low on hp before you start, otherwise you'll have to PB while they beat up the cabalist

Rej/enh would be better for some casting speed buffs on the PBAE as well as heals for bob and the casters when needed.

Edit: Also, there is no con buff except for the base tankpet i think, so having a cleric to cast that on bob as well as the others would be helpful.

 

[Duzzy]

Originally posted by old.SadonTheGrey
Matter Cabalist
Mind Sorcerer
Ice Wizard

Good template.

However, going matter is necessary, so you won't have good pet buffs. Thus I'd highly recommend using aa buffbot aswell, if not, get an enh/rejuv cleric in the group aswell - vs 4 reds/orgs, a pet w/o buffs won't last long at all, but if you buff it, it will be uber - buffs on pets are broken and can make a pet much more effective than an equal level tank.

Of course we have a buffbot, even 2

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by Melachi[Mid]
lol

I think what Ivan is trying to say is.....

Without buffs from a bot or high enhance grouped cleric, your pet will die very fast, thus not hold aggro, try reading his post :x

ohh and amuse, your wrong on one part of the Focus shield, it doesnt make the pet hold aggro constantly, it does generate an awful ammount of aggro, but its possible to take it from the pet, seen it happen many a time in hib when a druid would cast a large heal after the pet has only been hit once, you gotta let em build up the aggro first.

thank you for understanding what im trying to say, i sometimes have probs expressing my thoughts in clear and comprehendable way.

 

[Weeping Willow]

It works better than I expected even though my friends tried to get me to spec to fire at first (I'm the lucky wizard, yay!). Pet holds aggro well with focus shield (I have used this tactic in hibernia aswell). But a essential thing is either a pet healer (while focus is up) or a buffbot to buff up the pet to the max.

If you ask nicley iguk might even share some spots with you.


One of the important things with this group: accept deaths and you will have great fun.