spellcrafting costs-plz read quite important

[old.chipper]

ok a big discussion atm in TNN among spellcrafters is what to charge as most ppl will be able to get what they need by the time someone is lvl 800.
its gonna be murder for costs on us poor spellcrafters we make almost next to no profit on them so i would like peoples oppinions

a +5 skill item costs 1g 39s to make add 20% markup on it =1g66s this is pathetic but i know 20% markup is the norm for crafters these days

however i think spell crafting has to break that norm +5 is a damn fine stat for something like blades, light, regrowth etc so here is an idea the first five gems cost fairly little to make 3g88s for the 5th gem i am thinking of charging a 100% markup on these gems which would take the total cost of a gem that costs 3g88s to around 8g max

as for making MP well all ideas are welcome this is not set in stone i just need peoples thoughts i am not being greedy but it is very expensive to spellcraft 500+ and we all want uber item stats at a later date. most mages will no doubt want focus 50 staffs

 

[oblivion_6]

I wouldnt mind paying slightly more for spellcrafting, the only thing I was thinking about is there gonna be some sort of prenuptial that states if the items booms it aint the crafters fault?

 

[old.chipper]

well at the end of the day if you want it overcharging u better see someone who has 1049 in SC so u got max chance of success but even then you take your chances. its not the crafters fault if it goes pop. You want it overcharging thats your risk but bear in mind a crafter is gonna lose money on gems which are probably MP and they will need paying for those so if it does go pop u better hope u got alot of cash

 

[kalid]

Well paying for 100% markup for 1 item doesn't sound much... but if you got a full suite and you want all of it spellcrafted we are talking about 6x4 gems. Then also consider the customer has to pay for a playercrafter armor/cloth it's going to be costly.

I will probably do as I do with my armorcrafter/tailorer, have baseprices and depending whether the customer can afford it set the final price after it. Done many armorsuites for free to lowbies due they cannot afford to buy it for full price.

Better to get a little tip of the customer than overcharging the price

 

[Cloak_]

After LONG cg discusion with some other SCer`s i think we have agreed on a Cost Calc..

 

[Mirhen Morkir]

The discussion in TNN was started by me, after I contacted two spell crafters about getting quotes for 8 gems. I knew the cost price to make the gems I required came to a sum of 11 gold 77 silver 60 copper before i contacted the crafters.

The prices I was given from the crafters I contacted where 190 gold from one and 400 gold from the other.

If people are willing to charge 400 gold for under 12 golds cost and 5 minutes of their time then Hibernia really has gone to the dogs. As for Aldias (190g) and Fluffybunny (400g) they will not be getting any further enquiries of business from myself.

So people if you go to a crafter to make a purchase try to ensure that you have some idea of the price you should pay, otherwise you could end up paying a 2000 to 3000 percent markup to a greedy con man.

 

[old.Jable]

400g? 190g?

you can stick that up ya elfish arse!!!

 

[old.Mick]

rofl personally i wouldnt pay more than 100% markup for normal 94-98 gems, and if the scer gave this kind of price they would find a very nice tip aswell

unless they are elves, they dont deserve tips :whip:

 

[kalid]

Originally posted by Mirhen Morkir
I knew the cost price to make the gems I required came to a sum of 11 gold 77 silver 60 copper before i contacted the crafters.

The prices I was given from the crafters I contacted where 190 gold from one and 400 gold from the other.

If people are willing to charge 400 gold for under 12 golds cost and 5 minutes of their time then Hibernia really has gone to the dogs.

Agreed it might seem a little high pirces. But you'll never get it at self-cost price from any crafter unless they are a mate or being in a good mood. Spellcrafting IS the most expensive and time consuming of all crafts. Getting to a legendary grandmaster crafter is a 15+ plat business and many many hours doing really nothing.

Fair costs for a random quality gem is 2-3x material costs according to

http://www.geocities.com/boyd888/pricing.html#sc

But same site also claims when you are looking into overcharging the prices will raise to

98% quality gems: 3-4x cost
99% quality gems: 5-7x cost
100% quality gems: 28-30x cost

 

[old.chipper]

4 blades
4 parry
10 str
7 con
on a lvl 51 item 99% qual usin 28 imbue points now how much would u pay for that if it was on a normal sword bearin in mind at a latter date youre gonna be able to put dots/procs/charges on that

well it costs 4g 56s for me to make those items and u are looking to pay alot more than that pre SC i consider those damn fine stats on a weapon say

i dont want to charge extortionate prices but ppl have to be aware at how special this trade skill is it is also extremely expensive to do as you cannot get tasks to aid you.

all i ask is u consider this when people have hit 1049 SC prices will come down i know mine will.

so at the end of the day looking at that gem spec up above is paying x4 or more really that much for what you get ? i am not being greedy im just trying to make sure i reach as high as i can be.

 

[Wuren]

lol so glad we farmed cash to boost a spellcrafter

 

[Tilda]

i was thinking about this :

sub 49 items: 50g + cost of gems + retry cost - retry sellback

49-51 NON-overcharged items: 100g + ALL of the above

52 OVERCHARGE ITEMS: 25g per point overcharged +ALL of the above - 50 gold

Thus a person overcharging a lvl 51 breastplate by 6 points pays

gems + 250gold.
actually that seems a little expensive, depending on what others decide to charge ill modify those prices, but i will definatly be charging a fixed price for my time and a price per imbue point overcharged.

(AF x 2)g + cost of gems + retry cost - retry sellback
+
25 gold per imbue point overcharge.

And just so you know there is an unwritten law saying that the crafter is NOT responsible fot items that blows up

Tilda

 

[Cloak_]

Well in a diff conversation we came up with =

(material cost x 3) x (gems imbued -1) = Cost

The problem we had to overcome was that lower lvl chars (BG lvl for example) would still be able to afford SCing and top lvl SC would fund further crafting..

Another thing is if ppl cant be arsed to pre-make SC stats and you want the SCer to do them *with* you a surcharge should be made of: LVL of armour or wep imbued x (number of gems to imbue / 6 ), for FULL sets of armour only which could also include weapons - A Consultation service as u will..

 

[elerand]

Well I think REALLY hiking the charge to cover your own SC skill costs is exceeding sense when your talking about paying for future production, alchemys a different kettle of fish, I don't expect tons of customers so I've decided to treat my guildies nicely by doing free/cost/10% and everyone else 20%-30%.

I'm self funded, wouldn't dream of extorting the price out of others especially as there are plenty willing to do it for a sensible price.

I would say 50% markup is the limit for simple enough operations, retries and OC should include the base item cost + a charge for time taken, OC is risky but the customer stands to lose out as it's their choice, their risk and should pay for the items that go boom, if the mark up is insanely high don't expect to see them again as they probably flushed all their cash down the loo

A consensus on prices would work wonders, increasing consumer confidence and still keep it within peoples price range, meaning more repeat business, since if you charge too much once when they come back for a replacement they'll cheerfully pass you by for a guy being more reasonable.

 

[Marwolaeth]

Ask yourselves this....Which merchant were you thiking of going and buying these gems from instead of a Spellcrafting player?

Alot of money and effort has been put into providing a unique service for people and so due to the nature of SC I don't see anything wrong really with charging whatever you want to....If you don't like it, shop around.

.....Having said this I was personally just thinking of rounding off the cost of the gem (upwards to cover the other ingredients costs) then slapping a 1g service charge on top + 50% base gem cost for any retries etc.

Not in it for the money, if i was I would save what I had and not started crafting the little swines in the first place. I just want to see the happy look on customers faces as they scurry off to try out their new Uber weapon on an Annoying Luri

 

[old.giriam]

Originally posted by N07ABL3

(material cost x 3) x (gems imbued -1) = Cost

so i get it at 0 if i want 1 gem?

10 Hi, i would like to place an order for a gem please.
20 Thanx.
30 goto 10

on a more serious note: whats wrong with material-cost x2 for normal no-retry gems? material costs for the gems in my set are 300g, thats 600g out of my pocket and a 300g profit for the crafter.

if you really think people will be paying 900x23g (if im reading that correctly) you will have to think again im afraid.

G

 

[PJS]

Im quite happy to spellcraft anyones stuff at rough cost of ingredients (ie. base gem cost rounded to next gold up). I can currently fully charge anything up to and including 98% qua 51, 480 skill, 24 points.
However, at current level it is roughly -1g per attempt at skillups, in 30 points it gets worse and I am broke so I am currently spending most of my time farming cash/exp'ing instead of crafting.

Mindtrix

 

[Erekrose]

Why is this post marked important????????????????????????????

I don't care what a few people are going to charge. Let people charge what they like & just shop around.

 

[tankster]

do i need this spellcrafting stuff ?

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.chipper
all i ask is u consider this when people have hit 1049 SC prices will come down i know mine will.

Just to let you know much above 1001 isn't worth it as 1001 is the highest chance of overcharge. Any more than that just means you can make some gems a bit quicker.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Danyan

Just to let you know much above 1001 isn't worth it as 1001 is the highest chance of overcharge. Any more than that just means you can make some gems a bit quicker.

Not true. It is a continuous scale that increases your chances for every point you raise. But in the simple dumn-it-down-please-mythic style they just gave out sample points for the % chances (which are not in any way accurate either).

 

[old.chipper]

Originally posted by Erekrose
Why is this post marked important????????????????????????????

I don't care what a few people are going to charge. Let people charge what they like & just shop around.

i marked it important because i have never gone high lvl craft before and i wanted other crafters to think of a fair way to charge for items made and also gage what the hib community thought was a fair price.
Therefore id say it affects most hibs seen as though most of us have bought our uber full sets of armour

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Pin
Not true. It is a continuous scale that increases your chances for every point you raise. But in the simple dumn-it-down-please-mythic style they just gave out sample points for the % chances (which are not in any way accurate either).

According to a lot of testing it's not continuous at all; it's done in bands. Yes mythic's percents are a bit off, but that doesn't mean it's not banded.

I'd be interested to know why you think it's continuous given all the available evidence says it's banded.

 

[Cloak_]

Originally posted by old.giriam


so i get it at 0 if i want 1 gem?

10 Hi, i would like to place an order for a gem please.
20 Thanx.
30 goto 10

on a more serious note: whats wrong with material-cost x2 for normal no-retry gems? material costs for the gems in my set are 300g, thats 600g out of my pocket and a 300g profit for the crafter.

if you really think people will be paying 900x23g (if im reading that correctly) you will have to think again im afraid.

G

U got me all wrong m8 as usual hehe

For example:

Wep with:

4 Blades
4 CD
10 Dex
7 Slash Resist

Would come to 75Gold ish

OR a single 9% Slash gem would be - 35Gold ish

Is that too much?

 

[old.Zarko]

Soo glad my guild have own crafters, these prices are insane. A lot need full set (4x6) and with the current priceses a SC that has used 15p can earn all he has used by making 15-20 sets - seem all want to have 20p earned after first week.

And btw. SC is cheaper than Weaponcrafting.

 

[old.chipper]

im 1.5 plat down dont assume all SC charge insane prices

 

[-Dreama-]

if people are smart enough they will wait a month or so before buying the items.
There's so many ppl doing SC and Alchemy now that in a month the prices will be fairly reasonable. If you shop around for your crafted items you can get them at good prices..

/send SC#1 XXX will give it to me for XXgold, how much cheaper will you go?
/send SC#2 XXX will go 5 gold cheaper, how about you?

be smart about what you buy, don't just take the first offer you get and you'll get a fair price. Play the SCers off each other. It's called supply and demand.

 

[Slinker]

Aye , I was asked for 100g to have my sword SC'd , my lvl 37 Hero . I asked someone else , they charged me 8g , who would you go to ? I also gave the second guy some extra cash and said thanks for not trying to rip me off .

 

[old.giriam]

Originally posted by N07ABL3

U got me all wrong m8 as usual hehe

For example:
4 Blades
4 CD
10 Dex
7 Slash Resist

Would come to 75Gold ish

OR a single 9% Slash gem would be - 35Gold ish
Is that too much?

hehe ok i misunderstood a bit sorry

not as horrible as what i thought you said, but the first example is still about 10x material cost though which sounds a bit steep.

but hey - if you can get away with it

G

 

[Mirhen Morkir]

The problem atm with shopping around is that certain groups of crafters have got together and made up a set price list, so ...


[first crafter]
-Hi how much for XXX
-That will be 150 gold.
-but it costs you 50 gold to make it, how about i give you 75 for it ?
-nope 150 gold or go elsewhere.

[seconds crafter]
-Hi how much for XXX
-That will be 150 gold.
-but it costs you 50 gold to make it, how about i give you 75 for it ?
-nope 150 gold or go elsewhere.

[third crafter]
-Hi how much for XXX
-That will be 150 gold.
-but it costs you 50 gold to make it, how about i give you 75 for it ?
-nope 150 gold or go elsewhere.

personally i hope they shell out a fortune skilling, then never make any money back because us Hibs go to crafters who are not caught up with a rush of greed.