Some scout advice please

[CliffyG]

Have just got a scout up to level 24, spec is 20+5 stealth, 21+5 bow, 13+5 shield and 10+5 thrust. I'm not SC'd, just using a lot of high level rogs to get most resists to 10% and all skills to +5, think my dex / qui is pretty well off too. Obviously i'm not really specced for melee so will be trying to be a bit cleverer with where i fire arrows from but in the cases where i get into melee what should i do?

I've tried going toe to toe and end up doing about 80 - 100 damage before eating dirt. I have also tried running around like a madman trying to get people stuck on scenery so i can sprint to safetly and stealth but this just results in me looking even more stupid when i die . I'm considering trying to get the numb style off in the hope the slight stun will aid in my flight. Is it even worth trying that or should i just sit down and take it like a man?

 

[Matmardigan]

Obviously i'm not really specced for melee

bg Scout must have 24+5 in bow, 19+5 stealth rest doesnt matter.

if u want do good melee dmg as an archer, go mid and reroll an 2handed sword spected Hunter.

 

[CliffyG]

bg Scout must have 24+5 in bow, 19+5 stealth rest doesnt matter.

if u want do good melee dmg as an archer, go mid and reroll an 2handed sword spected Hunter.

Yeah thanks but i didn't ask for spec advice and you can quite clearly see that i don't expect to do much melee damage.

 

[Staffzor]

If this is a BG only char then the spec I would go, and have been in the past is as follows:

Stealth 19 +5 (highest Stealth available)
Longbow 21 +5 (24+5 is better, but guessing maybe damage cap increase not being much tho you do miss out on the last crit strike which gives you a slightly faster Crit Shot speed)
Thrust 16 (Beartooth at 15 spec, and it is absoulutely invaluable imo 6 second after block stun is silly powerful especially in BG)
Shield 7 (Engage at lvl 7)

Even tho you didn't ask or spec advice this is the spec I used and could stand toe to toe with some stealthers (usually unbuffed I would tear the ma new one) Beartooth is such a good style that it is crazy. Can't really give any advice on how not to get killed in melee apart from don't stay near typical stealther places

By far imo the best overall scout spec for thidranki ^^

 

[CliffyG]

It's not a BG only char, i intend to level up to 50. Will keep in mind about Beartooth though as my only reactive is off an evade which is pretty useless.

 

[Staffzor]

It's not a BG only char, i intend to level up to 50. Will keep in mind about Beartooth though as my only reactive is off an evade which is pretty useless.

The style damage on beartooth is very good, especialy for BG play, I personaly am leveling a scout on camlann, lvl 43 now and am still specced only 15 thrust as am unsure of final spec and respec stones are expensive. Still find the melee ok tho as you said you didnt expect to do much melee damage which you won't but for lvling I can not stress how much beartooth helped me along and in BG when I used to play a scout beartooth would land quite regularly, it is also fun to be shot at by a hunter/ranger engage then close in then when you are on the target use beartooth and stun them

 

[CliffyG]

Whats the point of engaging them?

 

[Valeres]

Whats the point of engaging them?

Let's say you start shooting on a melee class, you don't mange to finish him off before he reach you. When he's a few steps away you engage him, this will make you (hopefully) block his first attack. Use beartooth (after block style) and stun him then you can start filling him with arrows again or run away or whatever.

 

[Matmardigan]

Let's say you start shooting on a melee class, you don't mange to finish him off before he reach you. When he's a few steps away you engage him, this will make you (hopefully) block his first attack. Use beartooth (after block style) and stun him then you can start filling him with arrows again or run away or whatever.

the stun on beartooth is 2 short. U cant ready and shoot bow in that short time.
tryed engage -> beartooth -> crit shoot many times in emain and its mostly just luck when its work.
and if i remember right an lvl 24 scout have an 5-6-7 sec bow draw time?
even with slam if he could get it with lvl 24 he couldnt get ready the bow.

so engage -> beartooth -> run as fast as u can (btw use endu regen pots while running or ull get catched fast)

edit:

ps

can an bg char use endu and endu regen pots?

 

[CliffyG]

OK thanks for that. At the moment i'll just have to take my beating like a man then . Roll on 42 shield .

Might as well post here about my final spec then, 45 Bow, 42 Shield, 37 Stealth, 25 Thrust OK?

 

[Nugusta]

the stun on beartooth is 2 short. U cant ready and shoot bow in that short time.
tryed engage -> beartooth -> crit shoot many times in emain and its mostly just luck when its work.
and if i remember right an lvl 24 scout have an 5-6-7 sec bow draw time?
even with slam if he could get it with lvl 24 he couldnt get ready the bow.

so engage -> beartooth -> run as fast as u can (btw use endu regen pots while running or ull get catched fast)

edit:

ps

can an bg char use endu and endu regen pots?

Why wouldn't a bg char be able to use level 15 or 20 end pots?

 

[Staffzor]

OK thanks for that. At the moment i'll just have to take my beating like a man then . Roll on 42 shield .

Might as well post here about my final spec then, 45 Bow, 42 Shield, 37 Stealth, 25 Thrust OK?

Spec seems ok to me, lots of scouts ahve different ideas for specs and it is all down to paly styles. At lvl 43 on camlann I am still unsure of what suits me the best, some scouts don't bother speccing for slam as it doesn't come off all that often (tho I haven't had that much trouble with it yet) others swear by a semi decent melee spec.

My final spec is either gonna be:
Stealth 35
Thrust 35
Shield 42
Longbow 40

or
Stealth 35
Thrust 18
Shield 42
Longbow 50

I personaly don't think I would feel as "safe" without slam so wouldn't spec it below 42 also should help for any pve blockage.

 

[Balthus]

My hunter Kitycat is spear spec and hasnt lost a 1v1 vs a scout yet,in fact she pretty much rapes them if she finds 1 all alone and if the hunter is any good they will pop the pet straight away so even if u do get the stun off an try an run the pets on ya ass all the way stopping u shooting or hiding and all it takes once stuns worn off is a bit of hunter spd shout an u caught back up.Ive had soooo many scouts try an run away once they see my 150+ spear dmg.
My advice if u get caught by a hunter 1v1 give it a fight an hope that 1 of the gazillion infs in thid do their usual and add on the fight

 

[Hamro]

if you want good bow dmg but no melee. roll a scout

if you want good melee and bow dmg roll a Ranger(i can tank stealthers)

or if you want easymode roll a hunter

simple as that

 

[Balthus]

if you want good bow dmg but no melee. roll a scout

if you want good melee and bow dmg roll a Ranger(i can tank stealthers)

or if you want easymode roll a hunter

simple as that

LOL Ham i wub u

 

[CliffyG]

Whats the best way to spend RSP's?

Also is it worth going 50 Bow for penetrating shot 3? Seems like it'd be quite handy although end spec would be 36 stealth, 50 bow, 42 shield, 15 thrust.

 

[CliffyG]

Managed to hit a yellow con for 445 in Thid today , nice to see some ridiculously high damage.

 

[Staffzor]

Whats the best way to spend RSP's?

Also is it worth going 50 Bow for penetrating shot 3? Seems like it'd be quite handy although end spec would be 36 stealth, 50 bow, 42 shield, 15 thrust.

Well I am not acctualy 50 yet so can't really give any personaly advice but from what I have noted from rl friends and other scout topics the 50 bow compared to say 45 or 40 gives very little extra damage output and penetrating arrow is not a guarantee, I believe at 40 bow you get a penetrating arrow all be it only %75

RSP- can get what ever you want for the time being as in NF I am 99% certain we get a ra respec, I have on camlann mob2 and eagles flight 2 purly for lvling easier and when NF comes out am gonna respec to MoS 3 (Mastery of Stealth) so that I can see assasins easier, then purge 2 asap.

The spec you mentioned is one I am close to thinking of or to spec only 40 bow and mroe thrust :S I can't personaly see how you can "gimp" a scout and on a standard server line respecs are cheap enough so go for the spec you stated IMO and see how you feel, as on a standard server keep takes will be plentiful so safety of not needing melee might mean Penetrating Arrow is worth the less thrust

 

[CliffyG]

Thanks, the only reason i'm considering dropping bow so much is as i'll prob be slamming then getting my bow out again anyway. Not sure the damage variance will be that huge anyway with only 10 less thrust.

 

[Matmardigan]

50 bow, 42 shield, 34 stealth 20 thrust.

best beginner scout spec imo, after rr5 spec like u want

 

[Peek]

I'm considering trying to get the numb style off in the hope the slight stun will aid in my flight. Is it even worth trying that or should i just sit down and take it like a man?

I've tried using Numb in Thid, but usually not worth it. In BG1 the best scout tactics is to just run at the slightest sign of trouble (=melee). If you don't have time to finish your target off with yer bow, and get away safely, then you might as well flip the chicken switch and run for it.

 

[Heath]

If you don't have time to finish your target off with yer bow, and get away safely, then you might as well flip the chicken switch and run for it.

Made me chuckle for a long time....so very very true... (o:

 

[Lothandar]

Hmmm, you can't engage targets which you just pummeled with arrows.

I used engage when I was on a target and someone started shooting me, that was cool, I backed off into safe distance.

But as I said, if someone has an 'attacked' timer up (I think it is 2 minutes), you can't engage him.

 

[Lexxus]

lower bow spec and use immolated bow