Solo Paladin Template: 101 Str, 101 Con & 400 Hits

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

I've just read an extensive report on VN Boards indicating that Dex actually has an absolute minimum affect on your ability to block. Bearing that in mind, I've created the following template with no Dex whatsoever.

I know Qui is low, but with a Haste Charge and the Celerity Chant, I ought to be swinging SOK fast enough.

Opinions please.

Code:

Statistic
Strength: 101/101
Constitution: 101/101
Dexterity: 0/75
Quickness: 30/80
Intelligence: 0/75
Piety: 0/75
Charisma: 0/75
Empathy: 0/75
Hits: 400/400
Power: 0/25

Resistance
Body: 26/26
Cold: 26/26
Heat: 26/26
Energy: 5/26
Matter: 26/26
Spirit: 26/26+5
Crush: 24/26+2
Thrust: 24/26
Slash: 24/26+3

Skill
Parry: 3/11
Shield: 11/11
Slash: 11/11

Cap Increase
Strength: 27/26
Constitution: 27/26
Quickness: 5/26
Hits: 232/200

TOA Bonus
Armour Factor: 47/50
Style Damage: 4/10
Melee Damage: 7/10
Melee Combat Speed: 13/10
Fatigue: 9/25

Chest (Eirene's Hauberk):
Imbue: 20.0
   Strength: 15
   Slash: 6%
   Thrust: 6%
   Strength (Cap Increase): 5
   Style Damage: 4
   Melee Damage: 4
Utility: 34.0
TOA Utility: 50.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Arms (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.0/32 (Quality: 100)
   Hits: 60
   Body: 11%
   Cold: 7%
   Strength: 10
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 57.7
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Head (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
   Slash: 4
   Spirit: 9%
   Body: 7%
   Matter: 9%
   Strength (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 70.0
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Legs (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.0/32 (Quality: 100)
   Cold: 9%
   Shield: 3
   Strength: 28
   Slash: 3
   Strength (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 66.7
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Hands (Maddening Scalars):
Imbue: 20.0
   Constitution: 15
   Quickness: 15
   Hits: 40
   Melee Damage: 3
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 5
   Quickness (Cap Increase): 5
   Melee Combat Speed: 3
Utility: 30.0
TOA Utility: 50.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Feet (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
   Matter: 9%
   Slash: 4
   Constitution: 19
   Shield: 4
   Armour Factor: 10
Utility: 70.7
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Hand (Spear of Kings):
Imbue: 21.0
   Body: 4%
   Matter: 4%
   Spirit: 4%
   Crush: 4%
   Thrust: 4%
   Slash: 4%
   Melee Combat Speed: 5
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
   Fatigue: 5
Utility: 48.0
TOA Utility: 45.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Hand (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.0/32 (Quality: 100)
   Spirit: 9%
   Shield: 4
   Heat: 9%
   Hits: 44
Utility: 67.0
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Neck (Choker of Thunder):
Imbue: 17.0
   Constitution: 15
   Hits: 48
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 5
   Armour Factor: 15
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 22.0
TOA Utility: 35.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Cloak (Shades of Mist):
Imbue: 25.0
   Strength: 15
   Quickness: 15
   Parry: 3
   Stealth: 3
   Armour Factor: 10
   Melee Combat Speed: 5
   Fatigue: 4
Utility: 50.0
TOA Utility: 43.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Jewel (Eerie Darkness Stone):
Imbue: 37.0
   Body: 5%
   Cold: 5%
   Heat: 5%
   Energy: 5%
   Matter: 5%
   Spirit: 5%
   Crush: 4%
   Thrust: 4%
   Slash: 4%
Utility: 84.0
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Belt (Belt of Oglidarsh):
Imbue: 24.0
   Strength: 15
   Crush: 4%
   Thrust: 4%
   Slash: 4%
   Hits: 40
   Strength (Cap Increase): 6
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 44.0
TOA Utility: 22.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Ring (Maleficent Darkspire Mighty Ring):
Imbue: 27.5
   Strength: 18
   Heat: 6%
   Crush: 6%
   Hits: 44
   Strength (Cap Increase): 6
   Armour Factor: 6
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 18.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Ring (Maleficent Darkspire Tempered Ring):
Imbue: 27.5
   Constitution: 18
   Heat: 6%
   Crush: 6%
   Hits: 44
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 6
   Armour Factor: 6
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 18.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Wrist (Maleficent Darkspire Tempered Bracer):
Imbue: 27.5
   Constitution: 18
   Cold: 6%
   Slash: 6%
   Hits: 44
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 6
   Hits (Cap Increase): 32
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Wrist (Ceremonial Bracers):
Imbue: 22.0
   Constitution: 18
   Thrust: 6%
   Hits: 40
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 5
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 34.0
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Himse · Feb 6, 2007

Did you really need to make another thread?

And put some Dex in it pleaseeee, especially if your using shield.

"I've just read an extensive report on VN Boards indicating that Dex actually has an absolute minimum affect on your ability to block. Bearing that in mind, I've created the following template with no Dex whatsoever."

Utter bullshit, how stupid are the Americans, Dex most certainly affects your chance to block, maybe you should test it yourself.

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Himse said:
Did you really need to make another thread?

And put some Dex in it pleaseeee, especially if your using shield.

"I've just read an extensive report on VN Boards indicating that Dex actually has an absolute minimum affect on your ability to block. Bearing that in mind, I've created the following template with no Dex whatsoever."

Utter bullshit, how stupid are the Americans, Dex most certainly affects your chance to block, maybe you should test it yourself.

It's a new template so why not?

Not sure what your problem is, if it gives people ideas for their own templates then that's a good thing surely?

If you read the post properly, I said has a minimum affect - not that it has no affect. Read the thread yourself - the results speak for themselves.

Himse · Feb 6, 2007

Moaning Myrtle said:
It's a new template so why not?

Not sure what your problem is, if it gives people ideas for their own templates then that's a good thing surely?

If you read the post properly, I said has a minimum affect - not that it has no affect. Read the thread yourself - the results speak for themselves.

Dex, Dex-Cap, and +Shield, all helps your chance to block in RvR, its only the %block that doesnt. There's no minimum affect at all, it helps quite alot. You should remake it, with dex.

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Himse said:
Dex, Dex-Cap, and +Shield, all helps your chance to block in RvR, its only the %block that doesnt. There's no minimum affect at all, it helps quite alot. You should remake it, with dex.

In the link I just posted - you'll see that the 101+ Dex in the template equates to a 3% to 7% added chance to block. That is not worth the imbue.

If you wanted to, you could put +75 Dex in template and drop a resist, but I'll be buggered if I ever advocate 101 Dex in a Shield Tank template again. MoB and +Shield have a far greater return.

Biohazarddk · Feb 6, 2007

givf duel with that template

My energy weaps will love u

I quite like the template, good overall resists, nice stats (except from dex ofc) etc

I would say, try it out tbh.

But seriously, still want a duel

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Happy now Himse?

QQ at my Matter & Energy resists now though

Code:

Statistic
Strength: 101/101
Constitution: 101/101
Dexterity: 75/75
Quickness: 30/80
Intelligence: 0/75
Piety: 0/75
Charisma: 0/75
Empathy: 0/75
Hits: 400/400
Power: 0/25

Resistance
Body: 26/26
Cold: 25/26
Heat: 26/26
Energy: 5/26
Matter: 9/26
Spirit: 20/26+5
Crush: 24/26+2
Thrust: 24/26
Slash: 24/26+3

Skill
Parry: 3/11
Shield: 11/11
Slash: 11/11

Cap Increase
Strength: 27/26
Constitution: 27/26
Quickness: 5/26
Hits: 232/200

TOA Bonus
Armour Factor: 47/50
Style Damage: 4/10
Melee Damage: 7/10
Melee Combat Speed: 10/10
Fatigue: 9/25

Chest (Eirene's Hauberk):
Imbue: 20.0
   Strength: 15
   Slash: 6%
   Thrust: 6%
   Strength (Cap Increase): 5
   Style Damage: 4
   Melee Damage: 4
Utility: 34.0
TOA Utility: 50.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Arms (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
   Shield: 4
   Body: 9%
   Hits: 60
   Strength: 19
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 65.7
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Head (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
   Spirit: 11%
   Slash: 3
   Dexterity: 25
   Cold: 5%
   Strength (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 63.7
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Legs (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
   Shield: 3
   Body: 9%
   Slash: 4
   Dexterity: 25
   Strength (Cap Increase): 5
Utility: 69.7
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Hands (Maddening Scalars):
Imbue: 20.0
   Constitution: 15
   Quickness: 15
   Hits: 40
   Melee Damage: 3
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 5
   Quickness (Cap Increase): 5
   Melee Combat Speed: 3
Utility: 30.0
TOA Utility: 50.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Feet (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.0/32 (Quality: 100)
   Heat: 9%
   Constitution: 19
   Strength: 19
   Cold: 9%
   Armour Factor: 10
Utility: 61.3
TOA Utility: 10.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Hand (Spear of Kings):
Imbue: 21.0
   Body: 4%
   Matter: 4%
   Spirit: 4%
   Crush: 4%
   Thrust: 4%
   Slash: 4%
   Melee Combat Speed: 5
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
   Fatigue: 5
Utility: 48.0
TOA Utility: 45.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Hand (Crafted):
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
   Shield: 4
   Slash: 4
   Hits: 44
   Dexterity: 25
Utility: 67.7
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Neck (Choker of Thunder):
Imbue: 17.0
   Constitution: 15
   Hits: 48
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 5
   Armour Factor: 15
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 22.0
TOA Utility: 35.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Cloak (Shades of Mist):
Imbue: 25.0
   Strength: 15
   Quickness: 15
   Parry: 3
   Stealth: 3
   Armour Factor: 10
   Melee Combat Speed: 5
   Fatigue: 4
Utility: 50.0
TOA Utility: 43.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Jewel (Eerie Darkness Stone):
Imbue: 37.0
   Body: 5%
   Cold: 5%
   Heat: 5%
   Energy: 5%
   Matter: 5%
   Spirit: 5%
   Crush: 4%
   Thrust: 4%
   Slash: 4%
Utility: 84.0
TOA Utility: 0.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Belt (Belt of Oglidarsh):
Imbue: 24.0
   Strength: 15
   Crush: 4%
   Thrust: 4%
   Slash: 4%
   Hits: 40
   Strength (Cap Increase): 6
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 44.0
TOA Utility: 22.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Ring (Maleficent Darkspire Mighty Ring):
Imbue: 27.5
   Strength: 18
   Heat: 6%
   Crush: 6%
   Hits: 44
   Strength (Cap Increase): 6
   Armour Factor: 6
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 18.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Ring (Maleficent Darkspire Tempered Ring):
Imbue: 27.5
   Constitution: 18
   Heat: 6%
   Crush: 6%
   Hits: 44
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 6
   Armour Factor: 6
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 18.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Left Wrist (Maleficent Darkspire Tempered Bracer):
Imbue: 27.5
   Constitution: 18
   Cold: 6%
   Slash: 6%
   Hits: 44
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 6
   Hits (Cap Increase): 32
Utility: 47.0
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Right Wrist (Ceremonial Bracers):
Imbue: 22.0
   Constitution: 18
   Thrust: 6%
   Hits: 40
   Constitution (Cap Increase): 5
   Hits (Cap Increase): 40
Utility: 34.0
TOA Utility: 20.0
PvE Utility: 0.0

Darzil · Feb 6, 2007

Moaning Myrtle said:
It's a new template so why not?

Not sure what your problem is, if it gives people ideas for their own templates then that's a good thing surely?

If you read the post properly, I said has a minimum affect - not that it has no affect. Read the thread yourself - the results speak for themselves.

I can't really see why it's considered a minimal effect, seems to be approx 20% reduction in the number of times the target is hit by dex buffs. I'd have thought that's a big deal ?

Also, just compared it to my old PvE tests, where 137 dex added increased blocking % by about 20%, which is vastly different. Also seems wierd that test went dead for months, just after people said they'd go away and test it.

Anyone interested in testing in game with a large number of duels ?

Darzil

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Biohazarddk said:
givf duel with that template My energy weaps will love u

I always gimp Energy - I like to make Nuxto feel manly

Darzil · Feb 6, 2007

Darzil said:
Anyone interested in testing in game with a large number of duels ?

Darzil

I'm testing in Diogel against my enhance cleric at the mo. She's only got 243 Str after buffs, though, and seems to be having trouble getting through Darzil's defences before he is buffed (50+13 Shield, MoB IV, 161 Dex - 101 from suit). I dread to thing about after buffed !

Probably better testing against someone with higher melee, but I cannot do both that AND add buffs for the second part of the test.

Darzil

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Darzil said:
Probably better testing against someone with higher melee, but I cannot do both that AND add buffs for the second part of the test.

Darzil

Inc with my Pally - it'll be interesting to see what the truth is.

Nuxtobatns · Feb 6, 2007

Moaning Myrtle said:
I always gimp Energy - I like to make Nuxto feel manly

Y..like more energy will surely tip the scale

Anyways...Paly template with more than 80dex...when con/hits are not 100/400 and shield/parry 11/11... is just gimp.

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Nuxtobatns said:
Y..like more energy will surely tip the scale

Anyways...Paly template with more than 80dex...when con/hits are not 100/400 and shield/parry 11/11... is just gimp.

Perhaps mate, but I have only got enough spec points for something like 3 Parry, so I shan't waste imbue adding +11 to that. In fact I cannot, it'd completely gimp me somewhere else.

Darzil · Feb 6, 2007

Ok, the results of the tests Moaning and I did earlier. Testing on Euro Server, patch 1.85.

Attacker is 50 Paladin, 39+15 Slash, 348 Str (with buffs), WS 1533, using a Matter legendary (Malice was trouble, because it affects defenders dex, skewing the results)

Defender is 50 Paladin, 50+13 Shield, 13+13 Parry, 161 Dex (316 in buffed test)

Code:

	Unbuff	Buffed
Attacks 778	773				
Parrys	103	162				
Parry %	13.2%	21.0%
Blocks	307	354				
Block %	45.5%	57.9%
Misses	48	44				
Hits	320	213				
Hit %	41.1%	27.6%

Note, fumbles were removed from the calculations

If we look at the improvement when buffed, the headline is that 155 dex reduced the total number of hits that got through by 1/3, or about 5% per 25 dex.

Darzil

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Darzil said:
Ok, the results of the tests Moaning and I did earlier. Testing on Euro Server, patch 1.85.

Attacker is 50 Paladin, 39+15 Slash, 348 Str (with buffs), WS 1533, using a Matter legendary (Malice was trouble, because it affects defenders dex, skewing the results)

Defender is 50 Paladin, 50+13 Shield, 13+13 Parry, 161 Dex (316 in buffed test)

Code:

Unbuff Buffed Attacks 778 773 Parrys 103 162 Parry % 13.2% 21.0% Blocks 307 354 Block % 45.5% 57.9% Misses 48 44 Hits 320 213 Hit % 41.1% 27.6%

Note, fumbles were removed from the calculations

If we look at the improvement when buffed, the headline is that 155 dex reduced the total number of hits that got through by 1/3, or about 5% per 25 dex.

Darzil

Thanks for posting that - in simple terms then the difference between 75 Dex in template and 101 Dex in template = what in terms of Block %?

Nuxtobatns · Feb 6, 2007

Since i remember u saying to me that u solo ... +11 parry will help a lot. The spec u have doesnt matter. Anyways...your choice.

Hint : I got 42+19 and 20+29 parry and i am running mob2 and mop2. I bet thats mostly why i beat u.

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Nuxtobatns said:
Since i remember u saying to me that u solo ... +11 parry will help a lot. The spec u have doesnt matter. Anyways...your choice.

Hint : I got 42+19 and 20+29 parry and i am running mob2 and mop2. I bet thats mostly why i beat u.

How many spec points do Thanes get? You have 50 SC, 42 Shield, ? Weapon and 20 Parry? FFS!

Nuxtobatns · Feb 6, 2007

same as warrior

i got 34+17 sword.

Darzil · Feb 6, 2007

Moaning Myrtle said:
Thanks for posting that - in simple terms then the difference between 75 Dex in template and 101 Dex in template = what in terms of Block %?

About 2% block and 1.2% parry, if it's a linear relationship.

So buffed at 101 Dex I was parrying 21% of your blows, and blocking 58%, so only 27.5% or so got through.

Buffed at 75 Dex I'd expect to parry 20%, and block 56%, so only 29.5% or so got through.

So dropping Dex 26 points would increase damage taken in Melee against a Paladin by about 6.5%.

In a long fight, remember that it's damage taken vs the amount your heal chant heals you, rather than damage taken, that's important, which will increase that difference. In a short fight that's less important.

Darzil

Moaning Myrtle · Feb 6, 2007

Darzil said:
About 2% block and 1.2% parry, if it's a linear relationship.

So buffed at 101 Dex I was parrying 21% of your blows, and blocking 58%, so only 27.5% or so got through.

Buffed at 75 Dex I'd expect to parry 20%, and block 56%, so only 29.5% or so got through.

So dropping Dex 26 points would increase damage taken in Melee against a Paladin by about 6.5%.

In a long fight, remember that it's damage taken vs the amount your heal chant heals you, rather than damage taken, that's important, which will increase that difference. In a short fight that's less important.

Darzil

OK, so the question following that is drop Dex to 75 and increase Con & Hits or stay at 101?

Ballard · Feb 6, 2007

Even if dex only had a limited affect on block rate (which it doesnt), You will still need it to increase your shield WS so you can actually land slam... It also increases the damage of those slams.

Nuxtobatns · Feb 6, 2007

If u peeps cant understand that little dex < hp,con,skills ... Then...

Ballard · Feb 6, 2007

Having soloed alot myself I would have winged helm in there. Stacked with SOM/battler it is a dream on any class.

Nuxtobatns said:
If u peeps cant understand that little dex < hp,con,skills ... Then...

off topic warning !!

It does depend on the situation. For this thread and soloing/TOA yes that is right

for a group paladin on classic however dex >>> hp,con,skills.

Darzil · Feb 6, 2007

Moaning Myrtle said:
OK, so the question following that is drop Dex to 75 and increase Con & Hits or stay at 101?

Personally I'd keep it high, but then I'm more of an extremes person, and I suggest balance may be more important to a soloer. I've never solo rvr'd, so I wouldn't listen too much to my advice, I can only do tests and give figures.

In pve I've always found on a pally that the critical thing when soloing is that if the amount of damage you are hit for on average is smaller than the amount you restore with heal chant, then your total hits/con/offence is irrelevant, as you'll win in the end (or at worst draw).

In rvr you have other things to take into account, like people with stronger offences who'll beat your chant, but who may be weak enough for you to kill, people who'll simply run away rather than let you take 10 minutes to kill them, and long fights are more likely to get adds.

Darzil

Nuxtobatns · Feb 7, 2007

Ballard said:
Having soloed alot myself I would have winged helm in there. Stacked with SOM/battler it is a dream on any class.

off topic warning !!

It does depend on the situation. For this thread and soloing/TOA yes that is right for a group paladin on classic however dex >>> hp,con,skills.

Who cares about classic ?

. And i have adjusted my comments to this specific thread...as the poster has told me that he usually soloes...at least on pally.

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