So who's going to get...

[DaGaffer]

...24Mb Broadband? I've put my name down, just hope I'm in one of the 40-odd exchanges they've targeted.

 

[old.user4556]

Woah.

I doubt i'll get it, I live too far away from the exchange to even get 2 megabit.

 

[yaruar]

...24Mb Broadband? I've put my name down, just hope I'm in one of the 40-odd exchanges they've targeted.

That is a suprisingly uninformative website. I'll believe it when i see it. From what i've seen you can only get 24mb with ADSL2 running over bonded copper. ADSL2+ could do it, but only when within about 3kilofeet (i assume this is 1km) of the exchange with good copper. Dropoff is very rapid after that. After 2k you are down to 15mb and after 3k you actually drop below ADSL2 speeds at about 5 or 6 mb.

It's still good, but i smell a bit of overselling the product here. And it will be expensive to impliment for such a small company. I'd be more interested when established providers are rolling it out.

ADSL 2 and 2+ whitepaper

 

[inactionman]

I signed up. 24Mb would be nice, it will make delivery of 'cable tv' over DSL feasible, which may mean I can get shot of NTL's crappy 'digital' cable (only digital tv, no cable modem or anything else).

I wonder if the migration process from Bulldog LLU will be a complete arse, I assume so!

 

[yaruar]

I signed up. 24Mb would be nice, it will make delivery of 'cable tv' over DSL feasible, which may mean I can get shot of NTL's crappy 'digital' cable (only digital tv, no cable modem or anything else).

I wonder if the migration process from Bulldog LLU will be a complete arse, I assume so!

Well seeing as bulldog are probably the most technically incompetant and administratively challenged of all UK ISP's i have no doubt they will fuck something up.

 

[DaGaffer]

Bit more about it on El Reg. These are the guys that did an ADSL2 rollout in Stockholm (which I believe was pretty good). Bad news (sorry Big G ) is that the initial rollout 45 exchanges are in London; which is nice for me

 

[Draylor]

ADSL2+ could do it

Which appears to be what theyre intending to offer.

Your right about it sounding a little optimistic from a small unheard of company, but the Reg article suggests the folks behind it have already done something very similar in Sweden.

Edit: K, this is where I kill DaGaffer

 

[DaGaffer]

Which appears to be what theyre intending to offer.

Your right about it sounding a little optimistic from a small unheard of company, but the Reg article suggests the folks behind it have already done something very similar in Sweden.

Edit: K, this is where I kill DaGaffer

Hee hee. So long as they do my exchange this could be sweet, and through some google jiggery pokery I've worked out I'm less than 1Km (in a straight line) from my exchange.

 

[yaruar]

Which appears to be what theyre intending to offer.

Your right about it sounding a little optimistic from a small unheard of company, but the Reg article suggests the folks behind it have already done something very similar in Sweden.

Edit: K, this is where I kill DaGaffer

I suspect the process of LLU unbundling is a lot simpler in Sweden than in the UK then.

BT have made it a right royall pain in the arse to unbundle exchanges which is why only Easynet and Bulldog have been doing it up until now (and one other company, but they aren't a data provider and i forget their name)

 

[DaGaffer]

I suspect the process of LLU unbundling is a lot simpler in Sweden than in the UK then.

BT have made it a right royall pain in the arse to unbundle exchanges which is why only Easynet and Bulldog have been doing it up until now (and one other company, but they aren't a data provider and i forget their name)

The new OfCom ruling about separating BT's exchange business into an independent (but still part of BT) unit should help; it depends on how long it takes to implement I suppose.

 

[nath]

Hmm, I'm in london, I'm close to my exchange and infact my exchange was one of the first to get ADSL (I was on the first BT trial). The thing is - I'm almost on UKOnline 8mbit, it's not too late to cancel but that's a bit of a risk. What if they don't come to this exchange, what if it's not out for ages, what if it's bloody expensive.

Gragh, guess I stick with my measly 8mbit for a year and then see what happens.

 

[Draylor]

I suspect the process of LLU unbundling is a lot simpler in Sweden than in the UK then.

Hah

If you think the UK system is bad (which fair enough, it is) you should see the farcical pile of bollocks thats currently masquerading as a LLU system for Ireland.

Id rather play russian roulette than attempt to sign up with one of the ISPs currently trying to make the LLU system work.

 

[Jonty]

Goodness, no matter what you do, there's always someone willing to go one (or 976) better: 1Gbps service in Hong Kong The service is fairly specialist and unfeasible for widespread deployment across countries like the UK, but I have heard of NTL and others trialing 100Mbps speeds. And then there are projects like the Internet2 who have hit transfer rates over 5Gbps.

I've personally only this week got broadband after I don't know how many years on 56k, and it is, of course, wonderful I'm also lucky enough to have a pile of wireless Belkin goodies (all-in-one router, PCMCIA/USB cards, printer server) which I can highly recommend to anyone with broadband.

Kind Regards

 

[Draylor]

Internet2 is purely for the unemployable types (aka University researchers) to exchange warez & porn more quickly than anyone else is able to.

Bit like the Internet was not too many years ago ...

 

[DaGaffer]

Goodness, no matter what you do, there's always someone willing to go one (or 976) better: 1Gbps service in Hong Kong The service is fairly specialist and unfeasible for widespread deployment across countries like the UK, but I have heard of NTL and others trialing 100Mbps speeds. And then there are projects like the Internet2 who have hit transfer rates over 5Gbps.

I've personally only this week got broadband after I don't know how many years on 56k, and it is, of course, wonderful I'm also lucky enough to have a pile of wireless Belkin goodies (all-in-one router, PCMCIA/USB cards, printer server) which I can highly recommend to anyone with broadband.

Kind Regards

This is what the BT 21st Century Network fibre program is supposed to deliver for us eventually - cost £19 billion

 

[Embattle]

Huzzah a service that will let people download utter crap even faster.

 

[yaruar]

The new OfCom ruling about separating BT's exchange business into an independent (but still part of BT) unit should help; it depends on how long it takes to implement I suppose.

BT are still putting red tape and obsfurication in the way of unbundling though which is why so few companies are going for it.

 

[yaruar]

Hah

If you think the UK system is bad (which fair enough, it is) you should see the farcical pile of bollocks thats currently masquerading as a LLU system for Ireland.

Id rather play russian roulette than attempt to sign up with one of the ISPs currently trying to make the LLU system work.

My father ended up giving up on ever getting ADSL in rural Eire and is now getting on a long range wireless trial (if it ever happens)

 

[yaruar]

This is what the BT 21st Century Network fibre program is supposed to deliver for us eventually - cost £19 billion

We were supposed to have fibre to every household in the uk in the 80's but Mrs Thatcher blocked BT from doing it saying it was anti competitive