so, oppinions please: can infil's make good tanks???

[old.Charonel]

well, my personal view is the following:

we all know infils can't tank to save their lives... they just can't do it convincingly, i dont care what you say, they dont break mezz nearly enough to pass as a tank in my oppinion

The true tanks will always be those dumbass armsmen who will run past the mob already in combat, to see the sleepy purple mob and think "WOAH! this'll allow me to get that side positional style in! time for max OWNAGE!!!!!!!!!11" even when in a wiz heavy group where the tanks are only there to taunt and dent their plate armour

damnit, infs just a can't manage to look that bloody stupid no good as tanks in my oppinion, no good at all


P.S. yes this IS a flame about armsmen breaking my mezz! and it's also a flame about even full tank groups turning away infils because they are seen as weak, in a full tank group, the tanks do the damage, therefore an infil will be the equivalent of a nuker, pls get some sense

there, *sigh* i feel better already.

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Tanks breaking mez nowadays largely comes down to the tanks being new players - it's rare for the experinced players to start a tank alt It gets better at higher levels - more or less

 

[ivan_tribbiani]

Hi my name is Ivan "AK" Tribbiani and im a gimp, i admit it ok. Infils are a nightmare to level and arent groupfriendly !!!!!
They are loners by nature.
But that doesnt mean they arent nice people So when you see them give em a hug and let them XP in your group Life for them is very hard.

 

[shani]

My experience is that it aint that hard to get in a group as a Infiltrator (but hey, I''m only lvl 22 and busy doing weapon crafting) But when I'm in a group I can outdamage a tank, but that hurts a lot...

For the mezbreaking... Never see that happen too much

 

[Arlone]

Originally posted by old.Charonel
P.S. yes this IS a flame about armsmen breaking my mezz! and it's also a flame about even full tank groups turning away infils because they are seen as weak, in a full tank group, the tanks do the damage, therefore an infil will be the equivalent of a nuker, pls get some sense

You are seen as weak casue you are weak. Trying to say groups should accept infs due to their splendid tanking ability?

You accept infs into groups cause you pitty them, not cause you need them in any way

Having said that, I play both inf and armsman.

 

[fatgit]

Originally posted by - Pathfinder -
Tanks breaking mez nowadays largely comes down to the tanks being new players - it's rare for the experinced players to start a tank alt It gets better at higher levels - more or less

Can I just say that is total BS

I've been primary rooter on many tree groups, and trying to get tanks not to hit rooted mobs, and move AWAY from them is a bloody nightmare.
You tell em the rooted mob can still hit, and they STILL stand there hitting a worm while 3 rooted trees batter seven shades o smelly stuff out of them.

Many of these are 45+ tanks, some well known
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

As for infs, np here for me taking an inf, after all, who cares what class picks up meh loot on tanglers

 

[Murcalumis]

Originally posted by - Pathfinder -
Tanks breaking mez nowadays largely comes down to the tanks being new players - it's rare for the experinced players to start a tank alt It gets better at higher levels - more or less

I see you've never had the... erm... pleasure of grouping with me, then. If I don't break a mez every 5 minutes I start to feel strange... <grins>

 

[old.Jadow]

The amount of damage output, plus improved evade, plus the possibility of dodger with a couple of RP's means that infs can probably tank just fine <shrug>

I tanked worms and trees a few times when I was levelling and though it ripped through my armour, i lived most of the time.

Infils aren't designed as a tank class, but they can make a halfway decent replacement, so long as the mob isn't using slash. If it is, then forget it

Jadow
Level 50 Infiltrator
Saracen Gryphon Knight
Servants of the Lake
"The People's Gimp"

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by fatgit


Can I just say that is total BS

I've been primary rooter on many tree groups, and trying to get tanks not to hit rooted mobs, and move AWAY from them is a bloody nightmare.
You tell em the rooted mob can still hit, and they STILL stand there hitting a worm while 3 rooted trees batter seven shades o smelly stuff out of them.

Many of these are 45+ tanks, some well known
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

As for infs, np here for me taking an inf, after all, who cares what class picks up meh loot on tanglers

Well generally it helps if you have some CC at trees (unless you're doing PBAE).

 

[Ozwaldo]

Originally posted by old.Charonel

The true tanks will always be those dumbass armsmen who will run past the mob already in combat, to see the sleepy purple mob and think "WOAH! this'll allow me to get that side positional style in! time for max OWNAGE!!!!!!!!!11"

Dammit I thought you had to hit the ones with Zzzzs comming from their heads first.

Seriously I feel if you play the game right, be polite and learn from your mistakes you can find groups easily with any char. I have a lvl 50 armsman and never had a problem finding a group because I knew all the people who were lvling at the same stage as myself.

I am now lvling a infiltrator and find it just as easy to find a group and just as easy to lvl.

My tip is to not do kill tasks expecially if its your first char, always be polite, fill your friends list up and join a good guild

 

[old.Cher]

i remember in a fated guild hunt where we pulled some tree's the person who survived the longest was u jadow as you evaded what seemed hundreds of times and that was just at lvl 41

<i still have the graveyard from that hunt as my background on my computer>

 

[tieris]

Re: Re: so, oppinions please: can infil's make good tanks???

Originally posted by Arlone

You are seen as weak casue you are weak. Trying to say groups should accept infs due to their splendid tanking ability?

You accept infs into groups cause you pitty them, not cause you need them in any way
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couldnt of said it better myself

 

[listepik]

people who play infil's and find they cant tank, has either

A: a very very bad healer in the group

B: close to no skill, whatsoever, playing their class

C: thrust


People who dont invite infils to groups for being weak/gimped/whatever, will see

A: no help in frontiers from that infil later on

B: the infil grocely outshine them in PvE and RvR at 45+





im currently contemplating making a Barfog hunt with myself as main tank, jsut to evade THAT much

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Infils never outshine good tanks (Good tank = paladin with SHield, or possibly armsman with dito); they can't take the hits. Neither do they outdamage a wizard or heal like a cleric or friar, or provide PBT like a theurg or PS/mez like a minstrel.

Of course you can xp using infils, but they are never the optimal choice. Saying that they outshine properly specced PvE tanks is, frankly, laughable

 

[cruhar]

Nope

Never grouped with highlevel infils tho ... since i dont have any highlevels.

But i know around level 10 - 25 they suck mana like crazy (almost always a healer-class when i play)

I never say no to a person asking to join, based on his class, only levelwise, since it brings the group in danger having too high or too low levels... besides the point!

I state that infils cant tank ...

They are wearing paper-armour ... evade ... true but none the less they suck the mana from healers, giving more downtime...

I have played infiltrator myself, and didnt have problems finding groups either, but I still state that infils cannot tank.

They have insane damage-output. but tanking ... no

 

[ignore]

pff who needs tanks....

The story of an infil...

I:Hi mr theurg wanna group?
T:...
I: ow no reply, guess u left pbt running and went to see a movie...
<infil walks a bit further>
I:Hi ms minstrel how r u 2day? u got a grp for me?
M:...
I: (hmm i guess she has powersong running....and went shopping...)
<continues his journey>
I: (Now that looks like a nice armsman), Hi there...
<5 mins later>
I:ehm i said hi?
A: Wht u want
I:a..grp ? pls...
A:Were full
I:But theres only 6 here...
<no reply>
<another paladin walks by>
P:hi can i get a gr..ow thx for the invite...
<infil walks off yelling in guild chat why ppl r so st00pid>

<the day the tank hit 50>
T: OMG im a gimp lets start an infiltrator!!!


And just as side information: with this gimp i lvled till 21, i NEVER had to ask for a grp ppl just invited me LOL, cant u just invite an infiltrator for once...

 

[Generic Poster]

When you evade 4 times in a row, PBT can suck my stealth

When you don't evade, erm... can u res me pls?



At lv41, I can whip one pygmy and start tanking the next with a good success rate(orange-cons). But an orange-con Telamon agro'd me last night and damn, did it hurt :/

My sorc, also lv41 can take three hits from a Telamon. My Inf took 4.


Infiltrators are opportunists, in the right situations we rock. In the wrong ones, we flop.

 

[ignore]

Thats why we got vanish...
Now we can ALWAYS do our pa

 

[old.Kladen]

nope. if they get hit its alot of healing to get it back to full if they dont evade. damage output is a bit crapper than tank (not including PA) but still good, and if theres no paladin or main tank aint taunting the first few hits the infil PA will suck up the agro.

infiltrators cant tank, if theres a main tank in the group a infiltrator is fine.

infiltrators just act as wizards in groups,

 

[Meatballs]

i evaded 16 times in a 3some versus a purplecon shredder, got 4 blocks from grouped armsman and about 4 bladeturn misses that was all. I lasted for ages...

but then I can go against a red shredder and die in 4 hits

 

[old.Sko]

Aye, evade is too much chance-based, but we're talking tanglers here, right ?
Here's truth - you dont need tanks at tanglers. You need a great sorc (Civy ), great wizard (Bryte ), minstrel to keep them happy, and a couple of peoples to kill the gimps which somehow manage to reach them from time to time. Basically anyone with toothpick can do it - be it infi, pally, arms - doesn`t matter.

 

[listepik]

didnt think people would actually take me seriously

well, ofc a tank is a better tank than an infil. he is a tank!

that said, i've been main tank on numorous occations, with success too! as i said, all it takes is a good healer.

 

[Danya]

Re: pff who needs tanks....

Originally posted by ignore

I:Hi ms minstrel how r u 2day? u got a grp for me?
M:...
I: (hmm i guess she has powersong running....and went shopping...)

Maybe you should try using real language not gimp abbreviations.

 

[fatgit]

Originally posted by Dannyn

Well generally it helps if you have some CC at trees (unless you're doing PBAE).

last time I looked 4 rooted mobs was considered CC

 

[old.Kladen]

Originally posted by old.Sko
Here's truth - you dont need tanks at tanglers. You need a great sorc (Civy ), great wizard (Bryte ), minstrel to keep them happy

if you cant get a sorc all you need is 1 smite cleric and 3 tanks.

or 3 wizards aoeing.

 

[listepik]

and for pulling, you need a 50 infil to PA the tangler, effectively pulling EVERYTHING in reach. he will ofc die horrible, but who cares

 

[old.Sko]

Bah, our scout did quite nice island-pulls yesterday
Sad that someone (/waves Female) left without notice.
(Never attempt island pulls without 3 nukers. Or 1 cabalist
)

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by fatgit


last time I looked 4 rooted mobs was considered CC

Root is not CC
a) They can still hit you, trees have a big melee range. Mezzed mobs can't hit.
b) They still build aggro on the healer for any healing done so when root breaks they tend to jump the healer and pound him to death. Mezzed mobs build no aggro except a small amount to the mezzer.