So, more war then?

[MYstIC G]

When 500 plus MP's agree then you know something is up

 

[ECA]

They hate us because of our freedom.
We're under attack.

sigh...

 

[Gwadien]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29385123

This shows that politics is bullshit, the last vote, it was super duper close in favour of no intervention now every MP but 43 of them are suddenly in favour? Hardly anything has changed, a British guy died and America got involved.

Funny.

From random spam.

I don't understand it, why did all the MPs that were against going to war suddenly all for going to war somewhere?

I read something the other day about those who we're supporting are infamous for their rape/massacres, so eventually, we're gonna be like, omg guys we can't let these guys continue with this, we'd better send our troops in too! You heard it here first, well, there, but through me, so here, if you don't read it there first.

 

[Moriath]

This time we have been asked to help by a union of Middle East States. Before we were looking to go and bomb Syria unilaterally without the acceptance of the countries around there.

We still aren't hitting Syria.

 

[Gwadien]

This time we have been asked to help by a union of Oil States. Before we were looking to go and bomb Syria unilaterally without the acceptance of the oil countries around there.

We still aren't hitting Syria, we're asking them to be our friends, because although they like to kill their own civilians it's better than some Muslim nutters killing their own civilians.

Fixed

 

[ECA]

Fuckem, honestly.
Iran has been funding these radical islamist groups to fight the US by proxy and make them waste billions of dollars fighting an asymmetric war.
Now Iran should have to reap the discord they sowed. You know who's next if ISIS takes over iraq and syria? Iran.

Frankly if we were 20-30 years further down the line with renewables we could afford to just bail out and be like "whatevs, have fun killing each other, get back to us when you actually are capable of being a democracy".
You know why ISIS is even a problem in the first place? Because Saddam kept them in line with a boot on their neck.
We removed that boot and replaced it with the US armies boot, and then we removed the boot.

Well guess what? They got up and now they wanna fuck shit up.

We fucked it up for Iraq and Syria ( Wanna guess who was funding "rebel" groups in syria? ).
Seriously our interventionism is absolutely retarded lately.

Afghanistan was a huge blunder, there were <300 Al Quada members in Afghanistan when we went in, we needed to surgically strike and leave, instead we chose to occupy.
For the muahjahadeen war is a fucking recreational sport. They fight in summer, and smoke weed and fuck little boys in winter.
Guess who funded them to fight a proxy war vs russia in the 80s and promised them their own state, and then betrayed them after the Russians left? Oh right america. That's who.

If the US ( and the UK for enabling them ) would keep their fucking fat faces out of international affairs unless there is an actual genocide happening. ( Balkans, Sierra Leone, Rwanda ), we'd all have been so much fucking better off.

 

[Moriath]

The Americans armed the afghans to fight the Russians then ended up being killed by their own weapons going in after them in the recent war.

Nothing unusual about arming people for your own ends to be bitten in the arse by it.

 

[Gwadien]

Fuckem, honestly.
Iran has been funding these radical islamist groups to fight the US by proxy and make them waste billions of dollars fighting an asymmetric war.
Now Iran should have to reap the discord they sowed. You know who's next if ISIS takes over iraq and syria? Iran.

Frankly if we were 20-30 years further down the line with renewables we could afford to just bail out and be like "whatevs, have fun killing each other, get back to us when you actually are capable of being a democracy".
You know why ISIS is even a problem in the first place? Because Saddam kept them in line with a boot on their neck.
We removed that boot and replaced it with the US armies boot, and then we removed the boot.

Well guess what? They got up and now they wanna fuck shit up.

We fucked it up for Iraq and Syria ( Wanna guess who was funding "rebel" groups in syria? ).
Seriously our interventionism is absolutely retarded lately.

Afghanistan was a huge blunder, there were <300 Al Quada members in Afghanistan when we went in, we needed to surgically strike and leave, instead we chose to occupy.
For the muahjahadeen war is a fucking recreational sport. They fight in summer, and smoke weed and fuck little boys in winter.
Guess who funded them to fight a proxy war vs russia in the 80s and promised them their own state, and then betrayed them after the Russians left? Oh right america. That's who.

If the US ( and the UK for enabling them ) would keep their fucking fat faces out of international affairs unless there is an actual genocide happening. ( Balkans, Sierra Leone, Rwanda ), we'd all have been so much fucking better off.

Yep, completely agree, we shouldn't even get involved with ISIS, the locals should be aware that some shit was brewing as soon as Saddam got removed, and the Western Soldiers had left, we can't keep going to war with ideologies because of a couple of casualties, I don't see why we feel we have to keep getting involved in the middle east as you rightly say, why didn't we deal with Sierra Leone & Rwanda in the same sort of attitude? I'm not buying the whole 'Oh, they'll get upset because they think we're trying to turn them into slaves again.'

To be honest, I'd be happier if we got involved in Syria because that shows we're actually bothered about the sanctity of life, rather than pleasing alliances with dodgy oil nations.

Thankfully though, Western Media hasn't followed the atrocities caused by the Syrian government nearly as much as they've followed the atrocities by ISIS, because they're not our target, we're not remotely interested in attacking Syria anymore, so it doesn't make the news.

 

[Raven]

I am struggling to care overly much about the politics but if you are going to start cutting the heads off kids because they don't follow your particular mental illness (religion) then frankly the only medicine is death.

Kill all of them imo.

Having said that, all this is basically the fault of Tony Blair and George Bush and we should never have fucked about in the region in the first place.

 

[Gwadien]

I am struggling to care overly much about the politics but if you are going to start cutting the heads off kids because they don't follow your particular mental illness (religion) then frankly the only medicine is death.

Kill all of them imo.

Having said that, all this is basically the fault of Tony Blair and George Bush and we should never have fucked about in the region in the first place.

Fuck sake, so why don't we kill the Syrian Government for not allowing their people to disagree with their politics?

Isis have killed about 10,000 people, Syria has killed 100,000 of their civilian population.

I hate the fact that we're all so happy to go and kill a group that has no foundation yet, but we're not happy to go and destroy an established Government that has massacred 100,000 of their own people, it just reeks of absolute double standards, it's like we're happy when it's a easy decision because everyone hates ISIS, because they killed 10,000 innocents, but we're not happy when it's a bit more complicated and there's difference sides to the story, it's ridiculous.

I have no doubt that Assad will save the day and save a downed Western Jet and come out as a hero and we'll forgive him for his sins, and get on with it.

 

[Scouse]

Seriously our interventionism is absolutely retarded since WWII and mostly before...

Fixed.

 

[Job]

I know people don't like George because he talks the truth and that..but how can any free thinking person not agree with this and be appalled at the backlash against him for not towing the line.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/26/george-galloway-angers-mps-isis-iraq-debate

 

[DaGaffer]

Isis have killed about 10,000 people, Syria has killed 100,000 of their civilian population.

The caveat is..."so far". And everyone is aware that the response to Assad was so supine in the first place that 100K deaths became possible (plus, the Assad situation was complicated by his being a Russian client).

Fixed.

Don't be so asinine Scouse.

I know people don't like George because he talks the truth and that..but how can any free thinking person not agree with this and be appalled at the backlash against him for not towing the line.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/26/george-galloway-angers-mps-isis-iraq-debate

The man is a bit of a dick, but he's pretty much on the money here, and he's right that everyone who's not a politician can see it, but they're living on a different planet.

 

[Embattle]

A lot of noise about a lot of nothing.

 

[Gwadien]

The caveat is..."so far". And everyone is aware that the response to Assad was so supine in the first place that 100K deaths became possible (plus, the Assad situation was complicated by his being a Russian client).



Don't be so asinine Scouse.



The man is a bit of a dick, but he's pretty much on the money here, and he's right that everyone who's not a politician can see it, but they're living on a different planet.

My point is Gaffer that we're crying about the treatment of innocents, so we're going to war because of it, and then we're not bothered about 100k others have also died, I wish the Government would be more straight about why we're getting involved, - allegiances and stuff, because that's the reason we're going, fuck life, pro alliances.

 

[Scouse]

Don't be so asinine Scouse.

Our interventionism hasn't got the greatest track record m8...