So how do you handle this shit anyway ?

[sorusi]

get some body resists against the insta dd, and if he got healing pets kill those, + slam the bd and you got 9sec to kill him where he cant heal himself

 

[mordia]

Originally posted by constanze
once and for all i got no skill i smell and rambos buffbot buffed me to rr8 i cant even kill a fly alone

Thats such a nice summary but you forgot TEH INFIL ZERGSZ!!

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by sorusi
get some body resists against the insta dd, and if he got healing pets kill those, + slam the bd and you got 9sec to kill him where he cant heal himself

32% body does absolutely nothing vs them with power relics

 

[Xeanor]

Anyone who plays a bonedancer is quite sad anyway.

 

[Goryk]

The thing I hate is the bd's who claim they are balanced because they don't do much damage. Which is true if you look at the individual spells damage... Currently base nuke at 155 and instant tap at 123. However when you consider at 50 with decent dex, you'll be hitting at 2 seconds on the base nuke, your average damage per 2 seconds goes up to 216. This beats all non bolt using casters but wizzies (and animists bomber pet) I believe... They are evn getting a more powerful base nuke in a patch to which will give bd's the highest dps in the game discounting bolts and pbaoe, yet peopel still whine on the vnboards that their damage sucks. I'm just thinking too many bd's play their class like a tank who can occasionally nuke, rather than a caster you can tank if he has too...

Today I had my pet killed in 4 seconds by a bd... this was despite the fact I landed a lifetap of my own gainined 160 hp... Not much you can do vs something like that..

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by Goryk
The thing I love is the bd's who claim they are balanced because they don't do much damage. Which is true if you look at the individual spells damage... Currently base nuke at 155 and instant tap at 123. However when you consider at 50 with decent dex, you'll be hitting at 2 seconds on the base nuke, your average damage per 2 seconds goes up to 216. This beats all non bolt using casters but wizzies (and animists bomber pet) I believe

SNIP

No, we're not able to outdamage a darkness runie or light-this-'n-that and debuffing chanters and so on. We can get to a similar damage output, but at twice the power cost. Unless you get some good crits, taking out a buffed main tank with IP in a single power bar can be hard.

 

[Jarve]

Originally posted by Xeanor
Anyone who plays a bonedancer is quite sad anyway.

:help:

 

[Nonnier]

Originally posted by Xeanor
Anyone who plays a bonedancer is quite sad anyway.

any1 who plays a sorcerer is quite sad anyway.

why are we sad? Cause we play a class that has a small change to solo anything?

grow up, and stop whining just because u need to use a small amount of tactics to kill 1.

and anyway, a dark BD couldn't have done that, due to the lack of healer pets and instas.

and mill isn't darkness, so u must have mis read the title or the pets name

 

[Nonnier]

Originally posted by Goryk
The thing I hate is the bd's who claim they are balanced because they don't do much damage. Which is true if you look at the individual spells damage... Currently base nuke at 155 and instant tap at 123. However when you consider at 50 with decent dex, you'll be hitting at 2 seconds on the base nuke, your average damage per 2 seconds goes up to 216. This beats all non bolt using casters but wizzies (and animists bomber pet) I believe... They are evn getting a more powerful base nuke in a patch to which will give bd's the highest dps in the game discounting bolts and pbaoe, yet peopel still whine on the vnboards that their damage sucks. I'm just thinking too many bd's play their class like a tank who can occasionally nuke, rather than a caster you can tank if he has too...

Today I had my pet killed in 4 seconds by a bd... this was despite the fact I landed a lifetap of my own gainined 160 hp... Not much you can do vs something like that..

their dmg sucks for a very good reason, the insta is a low dmg high resist spell, the only thing that makes a boney good is when u combine the insta with the healer pets.

bah, i'm fed up of these whines....i haven't seen any logs that shows that a BD can do this, please show me 1, or this whole thread is pointless.

 

[Goryk]

The way I see it, BD's are like necros except they have a true instant lifetap where as ours is a bit crap due to people running out of range, and the cast time on it. In 1 vs 1 I think my necro is overpowered, and bd's are better than necros in most ways. Without mezzed pets they can tank just as well as my pet... Damage output on a bd is better, health stealing is better, and you don't suffer form any of the bugs we do (100% crits full cc durations etc etc). Thats why I think bd's are overpowered. not because I get owned by them all the time necessarily, but they are pretty much better in every way to my encro and I think he is overpowered. Of course not many people woudl agree with me on the encro thing so think what you will of my opinions

 

[old.Krusha]

Well this conversation soudsn like the countless Necro threads that was around awhile back, look what happened to them.... cba to look on VNboards, but who knows maybe youll get some "balancing" .. which sucks (no i dont have any BD nor do i intend to roll one) when any -ANY- class gets nerfed.

BD is hard, and sadly i think Mythic will knock them down a few notches.

 

[Qte Eth]

insta dd on 4 sec timer sounds uber enuff ,but when its lifetap it cant end good tbh..

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

so many BS stories going on here
Heheh
2 paladins and a cleric killed by one in under a minute
er were they afk??

did they forget to heal??

and as for the a BD killed my pet in 4 seconds what was it a L1 mob??


All i can say is cry more Noobs

man stop whining and go play something else
Go play a bard or a healer and see what RvR is like when you can even kill an AFK sat down caster

Loads of classes cant solo others get over it it is a team game...

 

[Rebaseke]

imo whine more...
what do i see here?
i see 8 albs, that probably have gimped specs, and dont know what they are doing, and i have 2 pro players, who know exactly what they are doing. if you have a good spec, and a little skill and a little brainpower almost any duo can kill any other duo

 

[Goryk]

BD's killing a pet in 4 seconds is not that hard... My pet has 1500hp at level 44, is blue con so innately higher damage, can be critted 100%. My pet gets nuked by bd's for 350-500 being blue con, and with you having the power relics. The insta does a bit less but still hits close to cap. Then you get 100% crits.. Necro pets do go down incredibly fast if you bother to use your baseline nuke. (Thank god most bd's think they are glorified tanks and don't use it so much). Of course this is more a necro problem than a bd overpowered so maybe the example wasn't a good one but it is is very easy to do that to a necro pet. 4 nukes in 4 seconds is just plain harsh wahtever class you are though

Again I'm only complaining about 1vs1's here. I know too well how bad dmaage can get in group vs group due to resist buffs and the like, as my necro suffers from the same problem.. At least bd's have the pets to keep up the healing, whilst I'm relying on an insta tap which hits in double figures vs some groups.. My main problem is that you can win fights by just spamming lifetap and letting your pets hit you. Just like my necro can. It doesn't take much skill, and I'd prefer it to be a case where all classes have to do somethign other than hit one or two buttons per fight. My inf has 4 quickbars and actively uses 9 different styles, my minstrel has 4 quickbars too. My necro has one half qb for buffing, and one partially filled bar for main action. I win fights just by hitting insta lifetap regularly. I know the same applies to bd's. I guess it all comes down to what you believe to be overpowered is. My opinion is that if a class takes a lot of skill to be played, then it should be a bit more powerful than average. Classes played simply should be below average. BD's break that rule for me in 1 vs 1, as does my necro. I don't necessarily want them nerfed, they could stay as powerful as they are, if they were more complex to play, so you don't get the complete morons able to own with them.
I always thought LA only needed double frost and the ravager chain toned down as an anytime, and not completely mutilate the whole spec line. THat would have meant more crap sb's wuld have had to learn to use positionals and comeback/FG to maintin their power.

I've always thought the winner of a battle should come down to skill, with character specs being the lesser part of the equation. The fact that this isn't the case is the main problem with rvr atm in my opinion..

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by hemorragie
Last week, I came face to face with a BD in Odin.
Hit Qc Ae mezz and manage to mezz BD, commander and healers.
I back off a bit, hit AE Con/str debuff and unleash base, spec DOT and finally my lvl 50 pet on the BD. I start nuking as well, doing an average of 250 dmg per nuke, 2.5 recast.
The troll was half health, pets still mezzed when suddenly
I got hit by 3 of its nukes (doing an average of 365 dmg per round) and died.

5 minutes later, the same BD (can't remember his name)killed 2 lvl 50 pallies and one cleric in less then one minute.

I say : Nerf Instat lifetap !

Qasar
lvl 50 Sorc
Seven

Had you started to hit the commander instead you would have won

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Xeanor
I'm so silly it aint even fun.

We knew that

 

[kherny]

[:]
Originally posted by Xeanor
yeah and i hope they put it on a 2 hour timer just so the idiot childish bonedancers can't get rps.

Originally posted by Xeanor
Anyone who plays a bonedancer is quite sad anyway.

Keep them coming , its quite amusing to read



generalisations just .... You know the rest.

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Reinnon/Nonnier
so any body with the brain power of a squashed turnip (so about 40% of the alb popuation looking at it ) will notice that the commander is a blue con to 50, doen't have a insta life drain and has less hits then a flower.

heh, just wait til you meet a BD who's buffed the commander.. hello 50%+ absorb (slight estimate here, not actual figure, I know a buff botted necro pet is ~66% absorb so a BD pet should be similar) making you hit it as tho it was a lvl60+ mob no way in hell you're gonna even out damage the healer pets then... and yes I've had this happen to me, hitting styled on commander with 5.2 spd LW for 100~ dmg each hit.. hi!

 

[kherny]

Originally posted by Goryk

My main problem is that you can win fights by just spamming lifetap and letting your pets hit you. Just like my necro can. It doesn't take much skill, and I'd prefer it to be a case where all classes have to do somethign other than hit one or two buttons per fight. My inf has 4 quickbars and actively uses 9 different styles, my minstrel has 4 quickbars too. My necro has one half qb for buffing, and one partially filled bar for main action. I win fights just by hitting insta lifetap regularly. I know the same applies to bd's. I guess it all comes down to what you believe to be overpowered is. My opinion is that if a class takes a lot of skill to be played, then it should be a bit more powerful than average. Classes played simply should be below average. BD's break that rule for me in 1 vs 1, as does my necro. I don't necessarily want them nerfed, they could stay as powerful as they are, if they were more complex to play, so you don't get the complete morons able to own with them.

hmm , firstly 2 full Qbars I use for rvr atm constantly making changes, not including pet summoning bar /buffing bar. ( Of course I have BA as secondary spec so have dots and ae dots which i greatly enjoy )

secondly, a good BD will fall back on only using the lifetap in only 2 situations, (now im loath to give out any information for whatever reason to the enemies of midgard but ill make an exception in this case)

1. hes been engaged in melee by more than one opponent, and either cant qcast due to timer or has too many hitting him to stop due to positionals or casters targetting him.

2. Hes fighting a pure tank , and altho i have managed to nuke/LT a tank to almost death before he could reach me , it took almost a whole bar of power , so not recommended . Lt will give better returns unless your a rare dark spec. (raising one but slowly. )

Having played a necro in the low levels I find it hard to believe you only use a partial bar . Im no expert but I suppose you could ONLY use the lifetap and range lifetap and powertap , but I also suppose it depends on spec. For myself I had 2 qbars but I like to have all options available to me

Originally posted by Goryk
I've always thought the winner of a battle should come down to skill, with character specs being the lesser part of the equation. The fact that this isn't the case is the main problem with rvr atm in my opinion..

Get rid of stick, some silly ra's, the names above peoples heads in rvr, and cancel 8 man grp limitations.. in my opinion (more but thats off the top of my head )

 

[old.Vae]

Aye my thrust merc commonly hits BD commanders for 30-40 per main sword! (note this is unstyled I think. Can't remember what styles hit for).

 

[Jaem]

only a 19BD as a bg toy here, but I'd like to know....
does mana run out so fast high level as it does for me?

i go oom so fast with only lifetap, hate using dark DD with it as I go almost oom on each kill

 

[vestax]

Originally posted by Groborthir
3) /macro /send rambo Hi, I saw you just got online. Wanna go camp mmgE?

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

if you have a good spec, and a little skill and a little brainpower almost any duo can kill any other duo

Yeah, so long as you have healing pets, insta lifetap etc.

Also Kherny, I think a BD like Mill will make you eat your words about how good BD's only lifetap inc ertain situations, because by her RR you would assume she is a good BD, but she consistently kills people with lifetap, very rarely do I see her nuking.

 

[Goryk]

Originally posted by kherny

Having played a necro in the low levels I find it hard to believe you only use a partial bar . Im no expert but I suppose you could ONLY use the lifetap and range lifetap and powertap , but I also suppose it depends on spec. For myself I had 2 qbars but I like to have all options available to me

I have to admit to still using the pet control window rather than macros, but guess thats down to style really.

1: FP
2: PT
3: LT
4: InstaLT
5: PBAOE (rarely used only for uncovering stealthers at milegates)
6: HoT (rarely used only after the odd fight when I havn't finished at full hp)
7: Snare (again only used to on fleeing people and not that often as it's breakable unlike the pain spec one...)
8: Af debuff (not too useful in 1vs1 considering the pets miss rate with his weapon. Mainly there for the few times I group)

I usually use the last spots for assist macros and/or different levels of the power transfer spell but aren't really combat related. HoT is usually only used after combat and only when I don't finish on full hp due to lifetaps. For stealther fights, it's often unwise to FP as it's buggy in the first palce and stun styles can mess it up, and so I literally just hit instalifetap over and over. Sad that that is the best tactic. I know I've seen lighter quickbars than this on chanters too... If there is one thing I'm probabyl missing its the damage shield, but tis hard to use, and over a fight doesn't do much more damage than getting off an extra insta tap would..

 

[kherny]

Originally posted by old.SadonTheGrey

Also Kherny, I think a BD like Mill will make you eat your words about how good BD's only lifetap inc ertain situations, because by her RR you would assume she is a good BD, but she consistently kills people with lifetap, very rarely do I see her nuking.

RR = time played, nothing more nothing less. I dont equate rr with being a good bd at all .

Im not saying BDs dont kill people with there lifetap far from it. Its 1 tool in there arsenal, depending on spec, but the one usually whined about.

If 2 bds stood opposite each other and dueled, one doing LT the other doing as he pleased I know who would win
As ive seen from bds dueling me and standing there lting.

But anyways, each to his own , I stand by what I said, and as your not a bonedancer as such, ill tend to believe what I think rather than what you hypothesise.