So how do you handle this shit anyway ?

[Mavl]

Ok, i need a piece of advice here.

recently we had a group of lowbie rr albs set up roaming emain, had no cleric, cuz it was early in the morning. we encountered group of 2 ppl. some norse and a rr6-7 bd.

Half of our group stuck to bd and started whacking on him(the other one was busy with the norse, a mistake i think). i stunned him, but he came out of stun, and started killing everyone 1 by 1. I was hitting him from the first moment of the fight and died last.
I did a total of 1517 damage to him. I suspect other ppl did similar damage, considering i'm a low damage class.

so here is the question:
How do you handle this shit anyway?


Ensiferum, highlander minstrel. [BC] <alb/pry>

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Lesson: HOW TO KILL BD'S for dummies:

1) kill the commander
2) kill the commander
3) kill the commander
4) kill the bd

REJOICE!

or in your case, playing a minstrel you have MEZ and AE MEZ, so how about using that on the pets and then finishing off the bd?

 

[Mavl]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok
Lesson: HOW TO KILL BD'S for dummies:

1) kill the commander
2) kill the commander
3) kill the commander
4) kill the bd

REJOICE!

or in your case, playing a minstrel you have MEZ and AE MEZ, so how about using that on the pets and then finishing off the bd?

they weren't healing pets

they were caster pets of sumfink

 

[Jarve]

:help:

 

[vindicat0r]

Basically either mezz all his pets and then pwn his azz or slam/ stun the BD and kill him fast.

I dont see how RR comes that much into it tbh, I mean a RR6 Merc will hit alot harder than a RR1 merc but they both do decent dmg and espically caster's even if it is a BD

 

[old.Sko]

from my personal experience - playing a healer and playing a cleric was like getting from easy mode to hard though cleric has crap gear and needs rp.
so basically be content with thought that in current layout we can wipe any roleplayers group coming to emain, but dont stand a chance against good groups until we all get some ra's and gear for our chars

as for bds - nuke pets gank bd.
friar + infiltrator is more then enough to kill bd btw.

 

[constanze]

BD are so underpowerd they can you kill while beeing afk
(very funny that there is one class who is really able to do this and ofc its balanced)


you can kill him if you manage to do 1200-1300 in 4 sec before his noninterruptable pets starts to heal and the BD finds his instant lifedrain

a BD also got 19 % absorb and a BT so basicly he is a melee class

for more tacitc adive buy the book BD TACTICS on Amazon

chapter 1:
how to make a 4 button qbar while other chars got 6-7 (bard)

chapter 2:
powerlv while beeing afk

chapter 3:
rp farming in emain while beeing afk

chapter 4:
why its harder to port to emain then to kill someone solo

chapter 5:
how to kill a full group albs without cc

chapter6:
getting a buffbot and using strafe all the time to kill 2 fg albs without cc

chapter7:
how to make tactics against different chars like other players need to do (a very short chapter with one word instant)


PS: sorry got my ironic day

 

[oldtimer]

So infiltrators must be a bit careful in chosing their targets now?

 

[Biby]

Originally posted by oldtimer
So infiltrators must be a bit careful in chosing their targets now?

Naah - they have always big enough stealther zerg - i really dont see problem here.

 

[constanze]

Originally posted by oldtimer
So infiltrators must be a bit careful in chosing their targets now?

and ofc its nice that sb`s dont need to be careful chosing their targets?

my only prob is an infi cant kill a BD to 90 % but a BD can kill an Infi afk thats kinda funny

any other class can be killed with some tactic kitting etc but BD are a bit lame

 

[faderullan]

I dont see the problem with bd really. When im buffed i can kill one in 1on1 with my merc(melee) or minstrel(cc and melee). And why kill the commander first when you just can kill the bd faster then you can kill the commander and bd?

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by vindicat0r
Basically either mezz all his pets and then pwn his azz or slam/ stun the BD and kill him fast.

I dont see how RR comes that much into it tbh, I mean a RR6 Merc will hit alot harder than a RR1 merc but they both do decent dmg and espically caster's even if it is a BD

And an rr7 one can solo a bd ^^

Once i even killed one in 2 hits.

 

[old.Elrond]

Originally posted by constanze
my only prob is an infi cant kill a BD to 90 % but a BD can kill an Infi afk thats kinda funny

Hrhrhrhrh...join the CLUB. I think it's kinda funny that a friar can kill a shadowblade 90% of the time...get used to it and choose your targets better (not like a bd is hard to spot)

 

[Cami]

Originally posted by SoulFly Amarok
Lesson: HOW TO KILL BD'S for dummies:

1) kill the commander
2) kill the commander
3) kill the commander
4) kill the bd

REJOICE!

or in your case, playing a minstrel you have MEZ and AE MEZ, so how about using that on the pets and then finishing off the bd?

Fyi, when you kill the commander the healers drop aswell

 

[mordia]

Originally posted by constanze
my only prob is an infi cant kill a BD to 90 % but a BD can kill an Infi afk thats kinda funny

Aww poor infil cant beat every class in the game

 

[old.Downanael]

Originally posted by constanze
BD are so underpowerd they can you kill while beeing afk
(very funny that there is one class who is really able to do this and ofc its balanced)







PS: sorry got my ironic day

True that you can kill while being afk,went afk with my bonedancer on thid once and when came back noticed some infil did attack me and got beaten by pets.


Edit: Kiting not lame at all?okay..

 

[Groborthir]

Hehe, funny how people exaggerate things when they get owned. Just to name my two favourites:

Amagad! BD's can lifetap 2000 dmg in 8 seconds! - someone actually claimed this. Maybe it was Constanze, just like this one:

Nobody can kill a BD, but the BD can kill everyone while AFK - infil or not, if you lost to an AFK BD, you're either lvl1 or totally crap.

And now for Constanze, who should probably do a /lastname ImASoDumbICantKillAFKBDs:

"how to make a 4 button qbar while other chars got 6-7 (bard)"

I know your qbar, Constanze:
1) /macro /g Rambo, help me, there's a BD here!
2) /macro /g Rambo, help me, there's a SB here!
3) /macro /send rambo Hi, I saw you just got online. Wanna go camp mmgE?
4) PA
5) /release



But seriously ... My main qbar is full, and so is my secondary qbar, along with 6 out of 10 on the third qbar. And I use all of the buttons regularly - especially lifedrain and body resist debuff. And why the hell shouldn't I? Any class will use a certain spell or style that is exceptionally good for that exact class. I see sorcerers and bards constantly spamming AoE mezz, I see druids spamming heal and root, shield tanks spamming slam, cabalists dotting, zerkers using doublefrost, stealthers using PA and CD, chanters and spiritmasters spamming PBAoE, and so forth. We're all one-trick wonders, but we all have more than one trick worth of utility.

Besides, I don't consider a game in which you have to press a button to kill another player, especially skill demanding, whether this be 1 or 10 buttons. It's not exactly as brain-demanding as figuring out the origin of black holes in the universe, and if you want intellectual challenges and stimulation you bought the wrong type of media, dude.

Oh, and one last thing, Constanze! This tells me you know jack shit of the BD class:

"a BD also got 19 % absorb and a BT so basicly he is a melee class"

Where the hell does the BD get 9% more absorb than any other caster? News flash, moron: The supp absorb shield does *not* stack with the self absorb shield granted to any caster in this game, so either the BD runs with 9% or 10%. Not 19%.

 

[old.Downanael]

1-0 for Groborthir methinks

 

[Nonnier]

if BDs can kill infils while afk, my name is Cecil (which it isn't).

ffs people, learn how to kill boneys! a boney is no less differcult to kill then any other pet based class.

go for the commander, the insta does 300 dmg max, its only due to the fact that he has 2 healer pets behind him that makes him so differcult to kill.

You just can't go:

gimp infil: oh look, a BD with 2 healer pets behind him, with a insta life drain on a 4 sec timer, i know, i'll try and gank the BD

gimp infil was just killed by nonnier

gimp infil: god dammit, lets go whine on BW.

You can't attack the boney, he is just too tough with the pets behind him.

so any body with the brain power of a squashed turnip (so about 40% of the alb popuation looking at it ) will notice that the commander is a blue con to 50, doen't have a insta life drain and has less hits then a flower.

kill the commander = bye bye boney

but, seeing as most albs won't even listen to me on this 1, boneys will still be overpowered.

 

[Caeli]

Originally posted by constanze
a BD also got 19 % absorb and a BT so basicly he is a melee class

Afaik the 9% absorb doesn't stack with the 10% absorb.

 

[Mavl]

for the certain ppl that seem to lack either brain or eyes(mby both):

The pets weren't healing pets.

 

[lissandra]

Originally posted by Groborthir


"how to make a 4 button qbar while other chars got 6-7 (bard)"

I know your qbar, Constanze:
1) /macro /g Rambo, help me, there's a BD here!
2) /macro /g Rambo, help me, there's a SB here!
3) /macro /send rambo Hi, I saw you just got online. Wanna go camp mmgE?
4) PA
5) /release

.

6 /macro /g Rambo, help me, there's a Savage here!

 

[Groborthir]

Originally posted by Mavl
for the certain ppl that seem to lack either brain or eyes(mby both):

The pets weren't healing pets.

If he in fact didn't have healer pets, you guys should feel even more ashamed of yourselves. Let's look at some facts:

If he used caster pet, chances are he is high darkness specced. Now, he probably went for 50 darkness, 20 suppression, but for you guys' sake, let's assume he has the lvl22 lifedrain, just for the heck of it. The delve damage on this one is 58, whereas the lvl47 lifedrain is at 123 - the lvl47 caps at 369 dmg (without MoM). Provided he debuffed you guys, not even with 0% body resist will he be able to heal himself with 2+ tanks hitting on him. Hell, even I have trouble with 2 lvl37 healer pets and lvl47 lifedrain + MoM 2/WP 3 against 2+ tanks.

And I am not taking into account that against a lvl50 enemy, the lvl22 lifedrain will be resisted pretty often.

So, in my opinion, you guys did horribly wrong. I don't know what you exactly did wrong, but getting wiped by a BD who doesn't have the same amount of self-healing available like that, you should feel ashamed.

This isn't a matter of an overpowered class, but a matter of people who utterly, totally and completely gimped their chars, either in playing or in speccing.

Dixi!

(By the way, what is the name of this BD? Only RR6-7 BD we have on Prydwen is Mill, and as far as I know he hasn't yet specced out of suppression and his beloved healer pets. And the only lvl50 BD who is darkness specced that I know is Wolvenic, and he's not RR4 yet.)

 

[rynnor]

Originally posted by Groborthir

(By the way, what is the name of this BD? Only RR6-7 BD we have on Prydwen is Mill, and as far as I know he hasn't yet specced out of suppression and his beloved healer pets. And the only lvl50 BD who is darkness specced that I know is Wolvenic, and he's not RR4 yet.)

Thats what I was wondering - theres practically no Dark specced BD's - the line has serious problems - if you fell to this guy then you probably better avoid Aug shammies in rvr

 

[Aoln]

wtf how can mill be rr6-7 alrdy ? Oo

 

[Groborthir]

He camps Emain 24/7 :]

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by Cami
Fyi, when you kill the commander the healers drop aswell

And you think I don't know that? pfft, newb.

 

[hemorragie]

Last week, I came face to face with a BD in Odin.
Hit Qc Ae mezz and manage to mezz BD, commander and healers.
I back off a bit, hit AE Con/str debuff and unleash base, spec DOT and finally my lvl 50 pet on the BD. I start nuking as well, doing an average of 250 dmg per nuke, 2.5 recast.
The troll was half health, pets still mezzed when suddenly
I got hit by 3 of its nukes (doing an average of 365 dmg per round) and died.

5 minutes later, the same BD (can't remember his name)killed 2 lvl 50 pallies and one cleric in less then one minute.

I say : Nerf Instat lifetap !

Qasar
lvl 50 Sorc
Seven

 

[SoulFly Amarok]

Originally posted by faderullan
I dont see the problem with bd really. When im buffed i can kill one in 1on1 with my merc(melee) or minstrel(cc and melee). And why kill the commander first when you just can kill the bd faster then you can kill the commander and bd?

You do the most damage from the alb melee classes and you do it quite fast (merc) ,so the bd will drop, despite the fact, that the pets are healing it, and the bd is gaining life every 4 sec from its lifedrain :<

s/s tank has to kill the commander first, if he wants to stand a chance, this requires ip and maybe fh


edit:

oh and s/s must be buffed to hell

 

[constanze]

once and for all i got no skill i smell and rambos buffbot buffed me to rr8 i cant even kill a fly alone