Smoking ban

[Job]

Thinking of raising minimum age for purchase to 18 in the UK.

Always been amused by societys slow march towards banning everything that in any way could be seen as harmfull to yourself or others.
The passive smoking link is so weak as to be farcical, but it has been drummed up to the point where people are shouting they are being 'killed' by smokers.
2 trips on the London tube is the equivalent of 5 cigarettes, not someone elses , but the same as you smoking them.

Anyways does the ban just mean tobacco?
Could I light up a piece of paper and sniff the fumes?
Or burn a rubber?
Or strike matches one after the other?
How about a candle?
A lighter held under a tea bag?

It'll be farting next, once one statistican works out that people exposed to more farts die 2 months earlier than normal, they'll fukin ban that too.

 

[Mybuddies]

Weak link eh?

Tell that to Roy Castle.

 

[Job]

Exactly, Roy said 'it must have been all those smoky clubs', so 1 persons guess contributes to a policy, what about the thousands of other performers who've worked all their lives in smoky clubs and NOT got lung cancer.

 

[Naffets]

What about the people who have never smoked getting cancer? It does happen, and you can't honestly deny the _fact_ that inhaling other peoples smoke does increase your chance of cancer. Of course the press and such have to make things seem worse than they are to stop people smoking and think about the others around them.

Personally, I don't mind other people smoking - I don't even mind them smoking near me, i can see why the government do though.

 

[Job]

Funny thing with cancer is you can never 'prove'' how you got it,there is no biological process from smoke to cancer, they just use statistics, smoking increase your chances of developing lung cancer something like 4X over a lifetime.
Of course it may not have been the smoke, you may have developed it anyway.

The statisctical link between passive smoking and lung cancer is very,very weak, there are stronger links between lung cancer and your name ffs!

 

[Aoln]

Even if it doesn't cause cancer, it's still horrible as fuck having to inhale someone's smoke, i smoke myself but am for the changes since its horrible having smoke blowing in your face and nothing but good can come of it.

 

[Awarkle]

The smoking age being 16 is pretty stupid raising it to 18 will at least make it more difficult for those kiddies and i mean kiddies when they are below the age of 14 smoking.

Smoking effects folks, when i left a work place that had a lot of heavy smokers i found that i was adicted to the nicotine and had to basically go cold turkey i kept sitting at home going "i want to go back i want to go back" even though i had just been treated like crap.

If you want to smoke thats fine by me however who knows what they wanted to do at 16, i mean i wanted to go into robotics but then realised how on earth would i get ajob in robotics at 17.

Life is full of choices however to choose death seems a bit stupid to me.

 

[Amanita]

It depends which side of the fence you are with this subject. I'm very much against smoking as it aggravates my athsma resulting me enjoying being in public places like pubs much, much less than I would otherwise without painful lungs.

I think a lot of non-smokers like me find being around smokers unpleasant and boy would I be pleased if smoking got banned in pubs, I'd be more inclined to go to them ^^

It is entirely your choice if you want to smoke, I just hate being subjected to it as well.

 

[Afran]

The smoking age being 16 is pretty stupid raising it to 18 will at least make it more difficult for those kiddies and i mean kiddies when they are below the age of 14 smoking.

Don't see how...

 

[Comos]

Could there be anything more annoying then a smoker blowing his filthy clouds of d00m into your face? Not only do you have to inhale it, your clothes will be stinking for hours as well.
I don't mind other ppl smoking, they can do with their body whatever they want to; it does annoy me when they do it near non-smokers.

 

[Outlander]

ban smoking period.

 

[Jjuraa]

no 16 year old should be smoking.. simple as. youre not at an age where your mind is fully developed enough to make the right choices, hence 18 limit.

 

[Skaven]

2 more years before you become addicted to a bad and expensive habit. Don't see the problem myself... but then again I don't smoke.

It won't stop the chavs asking their older mates buying them for em though.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

ban smoking period.

Ban alcohol, I hate drunks...

They tend to overestimate their abilities, go drivin.. and take down a family of 4 with little kids when they crash into them head-on

Banning smoking is stupid. I'm a non-smoker nowadays (used to be a 4 packs of tobacco (50 grams each) per week smoker) but I don't have problems with peope smoking or not smoking around me.. I do have problems with whiners though. Granted, if you have asthma or are allergic to it in some way or another I sympathise with you.. but there are a lot of people out there that start those artificial coughs, and you can HEAR they're just faking it..
Those people aggrivate me, which gives me stress, and stress kills.
But hey... can't blame it on aggrivation, cos if you die from stress, it's natural causes. It's just a heartattack, can't find anything else to blame. Perhaps a bit high bloodpressure or high cholesterol. Must be fat food then.

Ban stress? Ban whiners? Ban whatevernot?

Ban fat food
Ban cars? that CO2 can't be good for ye either
Ban penicillin.. stuff is making bacteria resistant which will eventually lead to a large plague.


I say ban bannings!!

(ohw, also ban soda-drinks.. they cause diabetes, which kills
and ban light-soda's cos asparthame (sp?) causes altzheimer's disease)

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

yar ban smoking. fucking stinks

and yes Infigrin, i think i still have asthma or however you spell it

 

[Outlander]

ban smoking and alcohol.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Girl with peanut-allergie dies after kissing a boy who ate them

There are more of these kinds of cases. Should we forbid peanuts or shellfish? Because it does kill a fair few number of people thru anaphylactic shocks, direct or indirect.

 

[Afran]

ban smoking and alcohol.

Noway

 

[liloe]

I'm totally for banning smoking wherever possible and the reasons are simple. The human rights state that the others freedom of acting stops where my personal freedom beings.

So I can tell you one thing. If there are lots of smokers around me, even without talking about the health riscs, it stinks heavily and thus impacts my quality of life. They want to kill themselves? Fine by me, but at least leave me out of it.

Sure, every time you go out in the streets you breathe tons of unhealthy stuff, starting with cars smoke and all the rubbish that comes out of industry chimneys, but there has to be a start somewhere. There are heavy rules for car producers, for industries and so on, so why not for smokers? It's so easy to stop them polluting my fresh air by simply banning it in some places. After all it's not like smoking is important for our daily life, as is industry and car driving.

And just for you Ingaf, I'm also for harder punishment for drunken driving, simply cause of the reasons you mentioned, but as I said above...those who want to drink, meet up in a way where it's not dangerous for others and I don't see a problem. When I'm drunk I don't drive, I just walk home, even if I don't know how I got back to my place, but that's smth else =))

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Noway

Exactly my point... at the moment the banstick is slappin' everyone smoking etc, because "studies show..." etc. And ofcourse it's bad for you, but people don't see that alcohol and drugs kill just as many people, but those deaths get listed under Traffic accidents, suicide deaths and all those sort of things. and ofcourse, a HUGE number of alcoholrelated casualities don't die but do get physically and/or mentally scarred or disabled for the rest of their lives, but hey.. those don't fall under those deaths-numbers either.

Also, when someone drinks and drives, and they have a collision with someone that hasn't drunk, the chances of the one drinking to survive the crash are higher then the others, because their body is much more relaxed, so the perpetrator lives while he takes down others... atleast with smoking the chances of the actual smoker to get sick and die are higher then the other "victims"

but hey... alcohol is socially accepted...

[edit:] Liloe, people who don't wear deodorant smell a whole lot worse in my opinion then people that smoke. Should that be banned aswell then?

PS. The stupid thing I think is, that if I don't want people to smoke in my house, that's cool with about everyone, even if i have a party at my place or whatever, but if I should ask people thesame about drinking alcoholic drinks... noone would come to my parties anymore. This whole shit is just measuring with double standards. In my opinion, ban all or ban non

 

[old.Tohtori]

they cause diabetes, which kills

Just pointing out that when treated, diabetes doesn't kill.

Awareness week ahoy.

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

I'm totally for banning smoking wherever possible and the reasons are simple. The human rights state that the others freedom of acting stops where my personal freedom beings.

See by banning smoking your removing People's Freedom of Choice, hence your repressing them .

;P


I'm a Smoker , At home i smoke outside in the backgarden , I'm used to it.
However i do have a problem with the people who when they hear that you smoke start off "Do you know that every ciggy takes 3 years off your life .. etc"
There was this one person who just wouldn't leave it alone ... I left the pub , went outside and smoked ( Ireland has the smoking ban in public places , as will Scotland very soon) . But this person followed me out and continued .
Now i was poliet , let him finish and then i went back inside to the rest of my mates and we continued ... When i went for another ciggy again same Dogma came spewing out of him .

I said it once ... "It's my choice , I go outside away from as many people as possible so it's just me , i've made consessions as i'm a smoker , but what i won't stand for is the crap i have to put up with when i do go for a smoke ... So please shut your cake hole and let me have my smoke in peace, otherwise , you can fuck off

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Just pointing out that when treated, diabetes doesn't kill.

Awareness week ahoy.

diabetes does kill, or rather, complications of diabetes...

 

[old.Tohtori]

diabetes does kill, or rather, complications of diabetes...

Well you don't get complications if you treat it with half a brain. I should know, i've had it since i was 5.

 

[Mey]

"It does annoy me when they do it near non-smokers"

Do you know what really annoys me, when non-smokers don't smoke near me...

Your all going on about freedom / human rights, do we as smokers not have any either?

If the ban get's in with RE: to pubs/clubs etc.. Instead of dieing of cancer I’ll get hypothermia :worthy:

 

[Mojo]

As a smoker i hope they ban it as soon ass possible and make to hard as hell for young kids to get into it, i started smoking at 11 but that was 6 years before they made it illegal from under 16's to buy ciggies (seems odd now that i used to buy fags at 11 quite legally)

Anyhow ,make it harder for me to smoke, then i won't. when i HAVE quit or cut down i usually startED again when i haD a drink, so im all for removing that option.

 

[Eeben]

What the point in smoking? I dont mind ppl smoking but i just dont c why they do it

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

What the point in smoking?

It makes you Look Kwel/ makes your EPeen Grow ;P

 

[Eeben]

It makes you Look Kwel/ makes your EPeen Grow ;P

baah wish i was a smoker

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Well you don't get complications if you treat it with half a brain. I should know, i've had it since i was 5.

You're quite right with that... but you have to know that you've got it before you can treat it.
If you develop old-age diabetes at the age of 40 (which is the risk with drinking too much soda-like drinks) that's an age where you don't expect it. so if you don't know you've got it, your chance of kidneyproblems, eyesight-problems, heartproblems and all the risks of untreated diabetes raise tremendously..