SM Spec

[nobrot]

My lil SM is fast approaching lvl 20 and has a mixture of supp and dark..

I was just wondering about the current trend of full sup SM's; was exping with my bro and we were dragging in multiple mobs for him to use his PBAOE dd spells, it seemed to work ok, but I am not yet convinced... any SM's out there willing to say if it is worth the effort.. any comment or advice would be gratefully accepted...

I basically want an SM that will play well grouped or solo, with an emphasis on RvR (for ganking greys ofc)

 

[erl]

Full suppresion is very limited IMO, the only thing you have is a good pbaoe. Your DDs are mediocre and so on.

I'd make a darkmaster. Definately most versatile, has a big bag of tricks. Nice dd with lifetap, AE-mez and pbaoe mez.

I recommend one of the following specs:

47 dark, 26 supp, x summ - Best lifetap, a pbaoe with quite bad damage but useful in some situations.

47 dark, 23 summ, 13 supp - Best lifetap, rez and a focus-shield that's not too bad.

That's what I would to at least

edit: corrected the second template

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I have low suppression, so possibly not the best person to ask

From what I've seen, the 49 or 50 sup (leftover in darkness) gives you highly variable dark damage on ranged attacks but close up its utterly deadly. Add MoC and/or the Concentration RA and you are bad news for anyone that comes near you. This spec means your ae str/con debuff is practically a snare since it will debuff so much it will encumber many enemies. Get the Debuff crit RA and settle back for a laugh. You just won't hurt people reliably until you get close to them but then you'll rule.
You are highly dependant on healers with area stun though to live through a fight.

41 sup (2nd best pbae nuke, 273 base damage as opposed to 331), 3x dark (32 gives you 2nd best pbae mez and 31 there is a ranged ae mez, some peeps take it to 35 to max out darkness effectiveness), leftover if any in sum... seems to be the most popular all round spec giving you a good balance between xp (pbae groups) and RvR both for keep defence and ranged nuking since you got high enough dark to even out your baseline damage on the lvl43 nuke as well as reasonable lifetaps for self healing. Remember, grey con mobs or enemies are just mobile blood banks for SMs so long as you have at least something in darkness

The only major SM ability you won't have with this style of spec is rez. But lets face it, who cares

Even with all the things added to SMs in 1.52, I still think its hard to screw up as you level. Play it how you want to play it and don't be swayed by any flavour-of-the-month style speccing.

IMO

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Forgot: didn't mention my personal favourite as Erl did... the Darkmaster. My own template is a little different from those above. I won't start going on about it though - once Midgard peeps get used to pbae xp and learn to do it properly very few will want to go back to the CC/1-at-a-time pulls. If you want to level faster the sup/dark mix is better. If you want to solo orange and red cons a darkmaster variation is more effective.

If you only want PvE for your SM, go full summoning and have a VERY scary pet. Much ouchness.

 

[Cami]

Originally posted by erl


47 dark, 23 supp, 13 summ - Best lifetap, rez and a focus-shield that's not too bad.

Rezz is 23 summ, but nice suggestions tho

 

[ImLestat]

Originally posted by erl
47 dark, 26 supp, x summ - Best lifetap, a pbaoe with quite bad damage but useful in some situations.

This is my spec, and I'm very happy with it. It's pretty versatile with lots of mezzing ability. The ae mez is of course a great tool. The nukes are pretty good, although not as good as runie nukes. I think that this spec and MoC (+perhaps purge) is almost unkillable in 1v1 combat, and pretty effective in other situations too. The lifetaps have saved my butt more times than I can count.

As many others have said, in groups (espescially pbae ones) supp is the way to go, at least it's fast xp. If you want to solo more, and want that ae mez for RvR, go dark.

 

[Quemine]

I have heard that spell level against your opponents level will affect resists in future patches, so not going very high in either dark or supp would hurt you in the battlefield. Haven't read it in any release notes, only heard people talk about it so can't say for sure though.

I'm at 47 dark and 26 supp myself and very happy with it. Sure, full supp sm's got some very nasty pbae but it's very limited in rvr. I'd rather have good ranged nukes instead, and get enough realm points for Mastery of Concentration (c'mon moose's I'm ready for ya!).

But for levelling everyone would love you for supp pbae's, so why not respec at 50?


Cui, Spiritual Master

 

[Cami]

you cant respec at 50 as far as i know ? After patch day only respecs you get are the 20 and 40 single line ones..

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Quemine

But for levelling everyone would love you for supp pbae's, so why not respec at 50?

uhm probably because they can't? only get respec at 20 and 40 afterall..

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Cami
you cant respec at 50 as far as i know ? After patch day only respecs you get are the 20 and 40 single line ones..

bah nerf cami posting speed

 

[Cami]

 

[poi]

I made a Supp SM ( 49,22,5) so i can powr lvl lowbies in our guild.
Hagbui Thanes/Zerks in Vanern Swamp.
With a lvl 50 pac healer, u can take a lowbie group from 5-30 in about 10-12 hours. Pull 6-12 hags at a time, the lowbie caps on every kill and they are almost insta repop.
Hags dies in 2 PBAE's most of the time, 3 on the higher level ones.
Amazing loot btw. 800 gold PER person for 8 hours

 

[old.Eynar_Vega]

I'm leveling a sm myself too atm. At lvl 29 now, and going full supp. Atm she's doing anywhere from 250 to 400 dmg per pbae against orange and red con mobs (not counting criticals), which is pretty insane dmg at that level imo.

 

[afrodite]

Before we got the respecc i had 47 darkness and the rest in summoning. After the respecc i had 50 supp and 20 in darkness. i must say that i regret that i respecced to supp. cause the only thing i am good at in RvR are keep defense. Standing by the door and use pbea are a great thing but when you are grouped and are fighting in open fields you can't do much. try using pbae on someone who don't stand still =P

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by afrodite
Standing by the door and use pbea are a great thing but when you are grouped and are fighting in open fields you can't do much. try using pbae on someone who don't stand still =P

mezz, stun, pbaoe, dead





im going 49supp with my sm, rest dark.


its all about playing style.


49supp gives me best pbaoe in game, ae str/con debuff

rest dark gives me a decent pbaoe mezz and a half arsed dex/qui debuff

 

[Old Nicodemus]

If you want to be really effective in RvR then you need to be a darkmaster as you have the range and the nukes to drop most people quickly.

However if you want to be a devious sod then mix it up a bit. I have a spec of 42 supp 32 dark 11summ. This gives me good selection of lifetaps, debuffs, mezz (single, area and PB), PB Nuke and a pet that will give people a bit of a worry.

I find that I can effectively help control a battlefield and defend keeps, attack keeps and solo certain classes.

It doesn't take a mezz to control the battlefield, debuff a tank properly and he'll grind to a halt, debuff an assasin and he'll end up missing more than he hits... the only problem is getting the spells off before chewing the dirt.

That said you can't go wrong with respeccs at 20 & 40. If you take the time to play your char and not powerlevel it then you'll know just how you like ot play it, and that's the most important thing. It's your SM play it the way you want to play it!

And above all have fun!

Nicodemus
Spiritgimp
Minstrel chaser!

 

[old.Belorfyn]

I used to have 43 dark, 26 supp and 23 summoning after first respec. Liked that spec alot, 26 suppression gets you level 26 pbae which hits for 200-250 damage on yellow albs on level 50. Found it useful in keep defence every now and then. Not that the damage is too high but it hits many anyway.
I've found resurrect spell great help. I use it all the time.
That's to do with my playstyle too I suppose but it's seriously worth considering.
I had 43 summoning before first respec, afterwards with 23 summoning, pet is really bad
Even without damage shield (which is still bugged until next patch and ain't so useful as it'd be), the pet is alot better with the buffs but it's also true that summoning doesn't give you much useful stuff at high levels besides real nice pet.

 

[Cami]

Originally posted by old.Belorfyn
... Even without damage shield (which is still bugged until next patch and ain't so useful as it'd be), the pet is alot better with the buffs but it's also true that summoning doesn't give you much useful stuff at high levels besides real nice pet.

actually a REALLY nice pet, with lvl 18 aug buffs from a 50 healer it chains orange mobs, even without the (bugged) dmg shield

only thing i have to do is pick up loot and maybe heal it abit

Silo is 47 now, at 50 he will have 50summ 20supp, for farming purposes only tho. But would love to see Junior duel some tank from another realm when the dmg shield is up and running

 

[old.Belorfyn]

Originally posted by Cami


actually a REALLY nice pet, with lvl 18 aug buffs from a 50 healer it chains orange mobs, even without the (bugged) dmg shield

only thing i have to do is pick up loot and maybe heal it abit

Silo is 47 now, at 50 he will have 50summ 20supp, for farming purposes only tho. But would love to see Junior duel some tank from another realm when the dmg shield is up and running

The pet owns, I didn't mean that.
I was talking about difference with my level 43 summoning buffs and level 23 summoning buffs. Not all spiritmasters have shaman handy all the time And so, pet with 23 summoning buffs much worse than pet with 43 summoning buffs

Pet str/con and dex/qui buffs from high summoning are about as powerful as level ~20 shammy buffs (spec buffs).

[EDIT]

PS. I wasn't unhappy at all with 43 summoning, but other lines offer more for rvr. Maybe they'll add somethign to summoning yet

 

[Cami]

didnt disagree with you, just wanted to point it out ^^

 

[erl]

Originally posted by Cami


Rezz is 23 summ, but nice suggestions tho

Wellwell, I guess you all have guessed that I ment 23 summ and 13 supp, not the other way around as I wrote first

 

[nobrot]

Hmmm, been thinking about the following template

40 Darkness - 28 sec ae mez
34 Supp - pbae dd 228dd
12 Summ reasonable buffs for junior...

anyone got comments, good or bad?

 

[Old Nicodemus]

Not a bad Spec Nobrot. It should work well.

I find that the spec I use (see above) works well in RvR, I think yours would prove to be an enjoyable spec

Nicodemus
Spiritgimp