Show screenie or FRAPS!!! (Bainshee LoS)

[Luz]

Come on show me screenie or FRAPS movie with Bainshee bugabusing!!

TEH WAJNS is stlong, I want to see!

Since you all brag about your RightNow'ing it there´s NP at all posting them here right!

 

[Zaitenko]

Will do next time I see it I have only encoutered it two times, but i don't know if it is bug abusing 0.o first time was at hibbie relicraid when I got hit standing close to the wall with no apparent threaths around. Second time was yesterday through Behn ck wall.

Will try to get it on screenie or fraps next time I see something like it

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Come on show me screenie or FRAPS movie with Bainshee bugabusing!!

TEH WAJNS is stlong, I want to see!

Since you all brag about your RightNow'ing it there´s NP at all posting them here right!

actually.. you get flamed to shit if you post your RN "proof".

 

[Maeloch]

Thing is, it's not illegal or there would have already been multiple bans from the reported use on the hibbie RR. All a screenie would prove is that's it's lame/unfair/overpowered.

 

[Adianna]

actually.. you get flamed to shit if you post your RN "proof".

I get flamed for bug abusing without proof either, so where's the problem?

 

[Azathrim]

Thing is, it's not illegal or there would have already been multiple bans from the reported use on the hibbie RR. All a screenie would prove is that's it's lame/unfair/overpowered.

That's very misleading.

The problem is that Mythic haven't been able to locate how it happens. They know it happens and the TL's acknowledge this. But, as long as Mythic can't reliably reproduce it, it's not a bug per se. Ofcourse, if -you- are able to reproduce it, and abuse it, then GoA might find out eventually and ban you accordingly.

 

[Luz]

seems like all talk and no proof to me.

 

[Zaitenko]

seems like all talk and no proof to me.

if you say so mate

 

[Zebolt]

seems like all talk and no proof to me.

Yeah, 31 min after the thread was created and no decent replies.. yes it must be! xD

 

[Puppet]

Yeah, 31 min after the thread was created and no decent replies.. yes it must be! xD

Been whines for months tho; and nobody showing proof tho. Which doesnt mean much too ofcourse. And xxManiacxx proofed the shrooms-bug. Incase of my last actions in RvR with my animist I noticed I placed shrooms on a bad loc and released my clump and set a new GT !!!

I still killed tho

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Been whines for months tho; and nobody showing proof tho. Which doesnt mean much too ofcourse. And xxManiacxx proofed the shrooms-bug. Incase of my last actions in RvR with my animist I noticed I placed shrooms on a bad loc and released my clump and set a new GT !!!

I still killed tho

The reason most people wont post them on reflection i think is that posting it up here kinda makes it hard for goa to ban from them (what?I can hope cant i?...) as it would look like concession to FH opinion etc even if its not.
Its here to stay whether we like it or not sadly, and only an idiot is denying theres LoS issues with the bainshee/animist at this stage when even the team leaders have acknowledged it.

 

[Azathrim]

The reason most people wont post them on reflection i think is that posting it up here kinda makes it hard for goa to ban from them (what?I can hope cant i?...) as it would look like concession to FH opinion etc even if its not.
Its here to stay whether we like it or not sadly, and only an idiot is denying theres LoS issues with the bainshee/animist at this stage when even the team leaders have acknowledged it.

I highly doubt GoA would think like that. Afterall, remember the Gimmly banning?

 

[Bubble]

Thing is, it's not illegal or there would have already been multiple bans from the reported use on the hibbie RR. All a screenie would prove is that's it's lame/unfair/overpowered.

what Maeloch said

 

[Bubble]

seems like all talk and no proof to me.

i'll take it you didn't attend the Hib relic raid?
If you did, i'll assume your just a American or a Manchester United fan.

 

[IainC]

Ok here's the deal with LOS abuses like this.
Being able to cast and hit things you have no LOS to with a CAE effect or a targetted spell is a bug and abusing it is bad.

However (and it's a big however)

Casting a spell in itself is not abuse and we don't intend to make it so. In the case of Bainshees firing off CAE spells and hitting people the other side of a wall, it's only going to be abuse if we can prove they had no legitimate target, which is not easy. To do otherwise is to open the floodgates to a rush of reports everytime someone casts a spell in a legitimate situation and, through no fault of their own (as they can't choose to stop their CAE at a wall), hits someone they shouldn't have been able to.

We spend more time than many people think roaming around watching random RvR situations and if we see someone abusing this then that person will get slapped, it isn't fair play and we won't tolerate it. However we won't take action unless it's very clear that the person was deliberately abusing the issue.

 

[Overdriven]

I can say Req is telling the truth... Level 100 Paladin sitting in the sky ontop of Beno :/ xD

Spoken to a GM doing that a while back... They didn't let me come watch.

 

[Lupa]

however we won't take action unless it's very clear

"clear" as usual? bye bainshees

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

So requiel, what would happen in the case of say, a bainshee facing a keep wall and chain nuking at it until they were out of power?That would constitute a slap on the wrist, a warning, a ban, what?No fingers pointed, just asking...

 

[Bubble]

Ok here's the deal with LOS abuses like this.
Being able to cast and hit things you have no LOS to with a CAE effect or a targetted spell is a bug and abusing it is bad.

However (and it's a big however)

Casting a spell in itself is not abuse and we don't intend to make it so. In the case of Bainshees firing off CAE spells and hitting people the other side of a wall, it's only going to be abuse if we can prove they had no legitimate target, which is not easy. To do otherwise is to open the floodgates to a rush of reports everytime someone casts a spell in a legitimate situation and, through no fault of their own (as they can't choose to stop their CAE at a wall), hits someone they shouldn't have been able to.

We spend more time than many people think roaming around watching random RvR situations and if we see someone abusing this then that person will get slapped, it isn't fair play and we won't tolerate it. However we won't take action unless it's very clear that the person was deliberately abusing the issue.

What about a relic keep?
You know the why they are Layed out, Theres a few enterances, and 3 'hollows' where the relics are on a tall pillar. Support class's liked to stay in this area due to being out of Sight of enemys. Its also out of Almost all AoE effect radius.

Does a Banshee CAoE nuking from outside killing all the support class's in these small areas (not through doors or not even aiming at people at the door, just through the wall directly into the small pocket with loads of Clerics etc) count as Abusing this effect?

 

[Bubble]

Funny this thread being made as a result of a Alarm clock relic whine.

 

[Smellysox]

Can u slap MR.T for me that guy abused me when i was young <was mental abuse though> I DONT DRINK NO MILK F0000000000LLLLL !! :<

 

[Puppet]

What about a relic keep?
You know the why they are Layed out, Theres a few enterances, and 3 'hollows' where the relics are on a tall pillar. Support class's liked to stay in this area due to being out of Sight of enemys. Its also out of Almost all AoE effect radius.

Does a Banshee CAoE nuking from outside killing all the support class's in these small areas (not through doors or not even aiming at people at the door, just through the wall directly into the small pocket with loads of Clerics etc) count as Abusing this effect?

We all pulled the NPC's to there; why there? Well then we're out of LOS from the Albs while we fight the NPC's.

So basically the bainshees where trying to CAE nuke the NPC's and accidentally a few clerics got caught in the crossfire. It's what happened, honestly !


xDDDDDDD

 

[Sinnica]

Sounds very cunning indeed
and <hug> back Puppet, hard to do when face down

 

[Bowie]

The reason most people wont post them on reflection i think is that posting it up here kinda makes it hard for goa to ban from them (what?I can hope cant i?...) as it would look like concession to FH opinion etc even if its not.
Its here to stay whether we like it or not sadly, and only an idiot is denying theres LoS issues with the bainshee/animist at this stage when even the team leaders have acknowledged it.

OMG Evita!! Do u realy honnestly think :

1: Little FH have that kinda powa over GoA ? ( if so i suggest u take a 2 weeks break from FH, might do u a world of good

2: That peeps Think so much (Looking at the number of total crap threads produced here reguarding abuse) before starting a thread ?

Or the last one:

3: Think that lot of threads here are made of: total fustrations, low energi or the urge to see em self spam something ?

If ur answer is 1 or 2 : Evita bee a little Naive ???

If ur answer is 3: that will make u what ? for answering :wub:

 

[Mikah75]

..

We all pulled the NPC's to there; why there? Well then we're out of LOS from the Albs while we fight the NPC's.

So basically the bainshees where trying to CAE nuke the NPC's and accidentally a few clerics got caught in the crossfire. It's what happened, honestly !


xDDDDDDD

that is a complete lie, there were at least 25people floored from the CAoE spells that day, clerics, friars, casters etc were all hiding in the towers round the relic keep. They obviously knew this and intentionally AOEd a blank wall -.-

 

[Bubble]

that is a complete lie, there were at least 25people floored from the CAoE spells that day, clerics, friars, casters etc were all hiding in the towers round the relic keep. They obviously knew this and intentionally AOEd a blank wall -.-

I think hes being Sarcastic

 

[Adianna]

Does a Banshee CAoE nuking from outside killing all the support class's in these small areas (not through doors or not even aiming at people at the door, just through the wall directly into the small pocket with loads of Clerics etc) count as Abusing this effect?

That's a good question as (like PBAE) it goes through these walls as well as through the maze walls around the central keeps and trees on open field. These obstacles are no NF like tower/keep walls, they are handled as traditional objects so any point blank cast will penetrate them. To me that rather seems like working as intended or simply as Mythic fucked it up.

 

[Roadie]

thats not true, they made pbae no longer work unless you have los on your enemy with nf (afaik) so you can no longer pbae people behind walls (at least your not supposed to be able to). That means now its only banchee cone effects that do it.

 

[Adianna]

thats not true, they made pbae no longer work unless you have los on your enemy with nf (afaik) so you can no longer pbae people behind walls (at least your not supposed to be able to). That means now its only banchee cone effects that do it.

You can PBAE through: bridges, non-keep/tower walls, relic structure.
You can CAE through: non-keep/tower walls, relic structure.

It is very unlikely you will get hit by a PBAE though as it looses a lot of it's strengh as the walls are relatively thick and no one will use it as he cannot kill anything.

 

[Vladamir]

Apologies for such bumpage, but have any other albs/mids experienced Piki's new found enjoyment of shrooming underwater?. What i mean is he's casting his shroom field underwater, but they're casting on those on land. Doesn't this also count as LoS abuse?. (Looking for a GM answer preferably)

And yes it's not bainshee related but looked like the best place to put it without starting a new thread.