Should parents be jailed for their kids truancy?

[cHodAX]

Yep it is the bad apple syndrome, it only takes one to cause the whole barrel to rot. I actually have first hand experience of this, when I was in my early teens I hung around with a gang of lads but there was this one horrible little fucker Paul who was determined to cause trouble at every oppurtunity. He was constantlt being arrested by the time he was 15, the law kept giving him fines and slaps on the wrist but never anything substantial and his parents didn't care because it didn't effect thier lives much.

Anyway, by the time I was 16 I managed to break away from this gang and got my shit together, I had always known he was complete scum but I had been scared to break away because I would alienate myself from the others.

So, 4 years on, I was about 20 at the time and I ran into one of the old gang on a night out. During the course of the conversation we got around to talking about how all the lads were getting on now, it was a complete horror story. A couple of them were on heroin, one had died in a brutal fight with weapons, most had been to prison and basically myself and this lad I was talking to were the only ones out of 15 young boys who got away before the damage ruined our lives.

The thing is, every single one of us were good kids before Paul came into our lives but slowly over the course of 5 years he utterly devastated a dozen familes by corrupting thier sons. None of those lads who stayed around ended up living normal lives, at the last count 6 are dead and all well before they reached 35. Suprise? Paul still lives and drives a nice car paid from by his criminal activities.

One bad person can lead others down the wrong path, the only way to stop that from happening is by cutting out the rotten element. Bring back borstal for young offenders and punish parents who's kids commit crimes.

 

[Huntingtons]

Yep it is the bad apple syndrome, it only takes one to cause the whole barrel to rot. I actually have first hand experience of this, when I was in my early teens I hung around with a gang of lads but there was this one horrible little fucker Paul who was determined to cause trouble at every oppurtunity. He was constantlt being arrested by the time he was 15, the law kept giving him fines and slaps on the wrist but never anything substantial and his parents didn't care because it didn't effect thier lives much.

Anyway, by the time I was 16 I managed to break away from this gang and got my shit together, I had always known he was complete scum but I had been scared to break away because I would alienate myself from the others.

So, 4 years on, I was about 20 at the time and I ran into one of the old gang on a night out. During the course of the conversation we got around to talking about how all the lads were getting on now, it was a complete horror story. A couple of them were on heroin, one had died in a brutal fight with weapons, most had been to prison and basically myself and this lad I was talking to were the only ones out of 15 young boys who got away before the damage ruined our lives.

The thing is, every single one of us were good kids before Paul came into our lives but slowly over the course of 5 years he utterly devastated a dozen familes by corrupting thier sons. None of those lads who stayed around ended up living normal lives, at the last count 6 are dead and all well before they reached 35. Suprise? Paul still lives and drives a nice car paid from by his criminal activities.

One bad person can lead others down the wrong path, the only way to stop that from happening is by cutting out the rotten element. Bring back borstal for young offenders and punish parents who's kids commit crimes.

why on earth would it help to punish the parents? they'd just slap him silly at home and he'd go out rage it on some poor kid in town.
People seem to be oblivious of the fact that if the parents dont give a shit in the first place, making them pay 500 pound fines for the kids troubles will make them care even less. whats the government gonna do? take their furniture when they dont pay?
I believe its easier than people think to correct most of these kids. but Fines and penentary(sp?) is not the way forward.
If the kid respect his fellow humans he wont hurt them (in one way or another).

 

[Uara]

Hunt I agree with what you say about teaching the kids to respect adults, each other etc, but the question is how do you teach respect to them?? I mean if the answer was obvious wouldnt they be doing it already!!

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Yes, it should teach them to take responsibility for there horrible little spawn. Though I doubt it does tbh, more like a badge of honour for your average scummer of today.

I have a number of friends who are current and ex police/probation service. They tell me that Asbo's, time inside etc, it's the equivalent of an african tribesman's ritual scarring.

If you haven't got them, you're not part of the club.

They really need to come up with a better deterrent. Making prisons either rehabilitate instead of just incarcerate or make the crims pay for prison (e.g. you have to work each day you're inside to try and pay off the expense youre generating for the state).

Work. Most of those sort of people are truly afraid of that.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

why on earth would it help to punish the parents? they'd just slap him silly at home and he'd go out rage it on some poor kid in town.
People seem to be oblivious of the fact that if the parents dont give a shit in the first place, making them pay 500 pound fines for the kids troubles will make them care even less. whats the government gonna do? take their furniture when they dont pay?
I believe its easier than people think to correct most of these kids. but Fines and penentary(sp?) is not the way forward.
If the kid respect his fellow humans he wont hurt them (in one way or another).

Dont take this as a personal attack mate, but from what i've seen of your politics (based on your posts) are clearly far to the left, and typify what got this country into a mess in the first place.

 

[Huntingtons]

Dont take this as a personal attack mate, but from what i've seen of your politics (based on your posts) are clearly far to the left, and typify what got this country into a mess in the first place.

no. First im not English. But the far left is not what got you there. I dont know for certain what got you there, but you seem to be the typical narrowminded shallow rightwing bastard. Yay for presumtions...

(I dont have a political view. I got opinions but no political party in Denmark has enough of my opinions on their side for me to vote for them so i vote blank.)

 

[kirennia]

Manditory military service for any offenders below the age of 16 (when they reach 16..... the army would know what they're dealing with when they get them and I'd hope it'd at least teach them some respect.

 

[Corran]

Manditory military service for any offenders below the age of 16 (when they reach 16..... the army would know what they're dealing with when they get them and I'd hope it'd at least teach them some respect.

why punish the career minded army personnel who actually want to help this country by pushing these twats onto them?

No, get some proper probation based on military training (ie some cadet school type thing), and give the instructors permission to beat the shit out the little bastards!

 

[Aada]

Parents ending up in jail? who would look after the kids and more importantly who would pay for it?

The tax payer it's a lose lose situation.

 

[kirennia]

why punish the career minded army personnel who actually want to help this country by pushing these twats onto them?

Actually I had a change of heart about it but not because of that...the military is equipped to deal with twats, hence the comment about them knowing about what they've done for differing services.

The change of heart came from then thinking that you'd get the slightly older twat population who went through this but didn't learn their lesson, then coming out and knowing how to fight properly; you don't want them to be hardened, it needs to be a deterrant.

Public service wouldn't be a huge thing either unless you make them have to do it in very public places and do the nasty jobs no-one really wants to do.

There is no quick fire answer to this question though, there are loads of good and bad points for any of it. It's just that putting parents in jail for it is a lot worse a prospect then the others

 

[Zita]

Not jail. The parents should be fined and /or sent to 'positive parenting' classes or to help out at their child's school as a form of 'community' service.

Lol, are you serious?

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

no. First im not English. But the far left is not what got you there. I dont know for certain what got you there, but you seem to be the typical narrowminded shallow rightwing bastard. Yay for presumtions...

(I dont have a political view. I got opinions but no political party in Denmark has enough of my opinions on their side for me to vote for them so i vote blank.)

I think the language barrier is messing us both up a bit there

Currently the UK is a complete liberal mess, the law is ineffective and the rights of the wrongdoers and those that misbehave are held above all else. I can cite examples, but you can find many easily enough by google.

Thats what i mean - i mean the country is soft, and afraid to tackle it's undesirable elements. Your posts came across as you coming from that softly-softly very liberal mindset which personally i think has been tried in the UK for well over a decade now, and been found badly wanting.

Dont take it personally it's not an attack on you

Fair comment on me being far right in personal beliefs (although i dont vote that way weirdly as the UK's political far-right are racist, nationalist lunatics, which i'm not).

I've seen too much of the messy underbelly of the world up close and personal to think that the soft-touch or gentle approach will help in 99% of cases, or that anything but the most mild of situations can be resolved with a kind word and a pat on the back. Many of the crims and budding young offenders of today respect only strength. Show weakness and you'll get nowhere.

We are what our experiences make us!

 

[russell]

Lol, are you serious?

Yes I have seen the threat of getting the mum of a disruptive and truant 13year old to come into school, make them tow the line, as they were mortified at the thought of having their parent there and all the other kids laughing at them.

I also know of parents who struggle to parent well (as they were never parented -it is a cycle) kick off at first, and then go on about how the course has changed them for the better.

I am not saying this should be enforced across the board- every case is different and I dont think there is one solution. They say the figures are higher now than 1997- that is because it is monitored more closley and doctors/ dentists appointments and holidays are classed as absent in some LEA's. They also dont mention that the figures have got better since 2000!

Attendance needs to be above 90% to be deemed acceptable by OFSTED and different schools have different strategies -look at the successful ones and implement what they are doing nationally.

 

[soze]

Its fear the kids are missing parents not allowed to touch you police with hands tied so far behind thier backs they cant do anything. I was scared of my parents and I am still very respectful of police, we are stuffed and its our own fault more and more kids will be born to chavs and grow up knowing the police are powerless and that Mum and Dad don't give a shit. Just like the kids i grew up with too many kids now are a £70 a week dole payment and a council house and untill you take the kid away from them parents they do not have a chance in life.

 

[kiliarien]

Hard to vote as I want a third option.

As many know I'm a teacher, and we one particular parent at our school who has had 3 kids 'going' to our school - between their 11 years of time at the school they have clocked up 5 days at school. The parent has been fined a total of £4,000 by the govt. She has to pay the fine at a rate of £4.92 a week.......pathetic.

I agree with them having to go to a detention centre type of place. There are kids who waste the places they have been given at good schools by truanting - they need to be chucked out so a kid who wants to go to those good schools can have their place.

 

[Hawkwind]

Laddey, for once, is right.

but...but...the universe did not end!

 

[Cemeterygates]

but...but...the universe did not end!

It did, you just don't know it yet.