Shaman - What's the point?

[Cami]

wp4 at least!


But nm the mending, you would want aug so you can get permasprint with lw2.

 

[Stinko]

Imagine a solo shammy with 46cave and 27mend .. buffed by bb with wp3 and ichor and some mom and ofc mof.
Wouldnt he have fun ?

Missing permasprint though :/

 

[charmangle]

Shammy vs infil

unless the infil is clueless, best you'll get is a draw

Well what will happen is ofc:

1. Backstab/pa hits for 700 or so with what ever kind of poisons...

2. Shammy blows his purge and instant aepoison (which sticks 99% of the times)

3. Shammy sprints of into the sunrice while the infil takes 1 sek to blow his purge.

4. With the 1 sek advantage the infil will go out of end and the shammy turns nukes/roots/dott/all the worlds miseries onto the poor infil and he dies.

IF the infil is actually trying to hunt the shammy down this is almost certainly the result. IF the infil follows and when end go's low then vanishes/hides/etc and flees with his tail between his legs he survives...

The point is still that all short range chars will have no chance to take out a shammy at all...unless they can disappear and run...which is still a win for the shammy !

/Charmangle

 

[Cylian]

what's more likely is that it's a gimpfil that couldn't get a PA/BS off on a sitting afk shammy, so that he just starts with Garrote and spams that until it's bye bye shammy

and in your scenario, if he sprints after a target he cannot reach and doesn't stealth, he definitly IS clueless.
And there's still the matter of snare poison with the ML ability Enduring Poison, or disease just like the PBAE disease a shammy got (it's not an ae poison, that's reavers).

'nother edit: thanks to 'Battlemaster - Throw Weapon' and funny things like that, there's few classes without ranged interrupts now.

before that a lone shammy could easily herd some tanks in a gatehouse

 

[Cami]

Well what will happen is ofc:

1. Backstab/pa hits for 700 or so with what ever kind of poisons...

2. Shammy blows his purge and instant aepoison (which sticks 99% of the times)

3. Shammy sprints of into the sunrice while the infil takes 1 sek to blow his purge.

4. With the 1 sek advantage the infil will go out of end and the shammy turns nukes/roots/dott/all the worlds miseries onto the poor infil and he dies.

IF the infil is actually trying to hunt the shammy down this is almost certainly the result. IF the infil follows and when end go's low then vanishes/hides/etc and flees with his tail between his legs he survives...

The point is still that all short range chars will have no chance to take out a shammy at all...unless they can disappear and run...which is still a win for the shammy !

/Charmangle

You know very little dont you? (Edit: about the actual fighting, rest is spot on )


And Cyl, with moc, ichor and what else, theres enough means to get a 'garroting' inf off of you

I so very rarely ever loose to a solo inf, if theres more than 1, the fight is abit more uneven, but still possible unless i get too close ofc.

 

[Cylian]

if you take active RAs in, you'll have to do the same for the infil -> Vanish -> draw.

Not saying you can't kill a couple of melees with a shammy, just that those kinda need to screw up somewhere.

 

[civy]

Became abit harder when going 44 aug, but its still possible, im wondering if i should try out full cave again (like i was rr1-5) just before my account runs out the 29th.

On my cabbie with a OK crit i hit for 300 a tick on a dot. With a good crit it can push 360+. Acuity impact on dots is small, so with some mom/wp/Toa damage and resist piercing (+ the laughable matter resists most have) you should get some good mileage out of dots.

 

[charmangle]

Basic point...

Well what my basic point was not to show an actual fight but to exaggerate the fight for all to understand the basics...

Ofc there are alot of things the infil/etc can/prolly will do. But that doesnt change much normally in the outcome as I see it. (And as the previous speaker said. There isnt much a shammy has to fear from most tank classes (including infils) (Ofc it can be hard to take them out if they vanish etc but I would see that as a win. Especially when you calculate the versitile workings of a cave shammy)

But hey I might be wrong just the feeling I got when I play shammy. Its basically the only class in midgard Im actaully happy with when an infil gets the jump on me. Either it ends with it beeing a highrr infil that runs off into invis, or it beeing a lowrr infil that dont know when to cut their losses and hunt themselves to death from etc damage. (edit: Well darkness sm might be as happy but not sure since I really dont play them myself

ps. And ofc its a freaking disease...bah...but would love an instant aedot too so might have been late night wishful thinking. ds

/Charmangle

 

[Cami]

On my cabbie with a OK crit i hit for 300 a tick on a dot. With a good crit it can push 360+. Acuity impact on dots is small, so with some mom/wp/Toa damage and resist piercing (+ the laughable matter resists most have) you should get some good mileage out of dots.

So you're Dotbot ;-)

Problem with shammy is, we hardly have above 300 acuity, especially in NF where we dont need acuity3 to get moc etc.

I cant remember seeing a dot-specced BD around (but hey, havent been playing much lately), but they should have a bigger chance of getting highend dots in, than a shaman. Considering they will have it easier getting high piety/resistpierce etc Shamans have so many other things to take under consideration, like healing%, buff% etc. etc.

Ofc. you could make a template only going for damage, but sooo many people would cry at you. Not that i care much, but would still like to be viable in groups

and Charmangle; didnt mean to offend you, think my comment is abit harsh, i understood what you meant, sorry dude

 

[carrot]

well one cannot say anymore if a shaman can turn the tables on a infil whos jumped them.

why

because infils allways come in groups of 2 or more you only got 1 of them if there mate/mates have allready been killd then there problay hiding .

 

[Cami]

well one cannot say anymore if a shaman can turn the tables on a infil whos jumped them.

why

because infils allways come in groups of 2 or more you only got 1 of them if there mate/mates have allready been killd then there problay hiding .

exactly

 

[charmangle]

Agree on that sadly enough...

well one cannot say anymore if a shaman can turn the tables on a infil whos jumped them.

why

because infils allways come in groups of 2 or more you only got 1 of them if there mate/mates have allready been killd then there problay hiding .

Well cant argue with that...:/ Which is sad...the tagteaming minstral/infil/scout are sooo boring!:/

/Charmangle