Shaman TL report V. 1.70

[Lejemorder]

http://vnboards.ign.com/Midgard_Seer_Professions/b20913/72191507/?75

shamans them actully belive they dont have utility enough

 

[Laston]

the only annoying thing i have is the fact the end buff takes up such a larg portion of our conc otherwise i wub the class

 

[Archeon]

I've only got 3 things with my Shaman.

1. Friggs should be HOT's - atleast imo - that would be enough to make the Shaman mendline nicer. I'm not going to be stupid and demand spread-heals, and instas, but that would be nice

2. End buff - Grp conc. based would be nice. But I suppose I do have some major advantages over chant based, I can live with it because pretty much every other guy has a bot to cover for me. So... well ok...

3. Dmg-Add - gets on my nerves that a specline spell is weaker than a baseline... well actually it doesn't, but its how much weaker than gets to me - just using Shaman/Wizards here because I can't be bothered to find the right hib class. But the highest Shaman specline da = 4dps, Wizard's specline da = 10dps.


Aside from that I love my Shaman, and regreat I can't play him more. But thats mainly because of bots and thats a different issue totally

 

[Thegreatest]

Wizards damage add is a baseline one, but then wizards dont whine that their damage shield is in their earth specline (which almost all hib classes get as a baseline spell)...

 

[Archeon]

Wizards damage add is a baseline one, but then wizards dont whine that their damage shield is in their earth specline (which almost all hib classes get as a baseline spell)...

To be fair thats probably right, but don't tell me that a difference of 6dps between a specline and baseline spell is right? I get the feeling that if the rolls were reversed Wizzys would be complaining as well.

 

[Totyn]

To be fair thats probably right, but don't tell me that a difference of 6dps between a specline and baseline spell is right? I get the feeling that if the rolls were reversed Wizzys would be complaining as well.

No, they have much more important things to complain about.

 

[Ctuchik]

Wizards damage add is a baseline one, but then wizards dont whine that their damage shield is in their earth specline (which almost all hib classes get as a baseline spell)...

but then its only chanters that can spec for a dmg add to.. and its still WAY higher in Dps then a shammys spec DA is...

 

[Ctuchik]

http://vnboards.ign.com/Midgard_Seer_Professions/b20913/72191507/?75

shamans them actully belive they dont have utility enough

and what exactly would that utillity be apart from a very crappy AE dot, AE disease and a bolt that hits for close to nothing.... and buffs that noone needs anyway as they have buffbots. and conc based end regen

oyes, cant forget the uber DD thats on a 20 sec recast.

and no, i dont count buff shearing as part of having "utility" as if a shammy (as clerics/druids) should acually spec to GET all those buff shearing spells. they render every other specline gimped to the point of uselesness, coz most of our utility lies in Cave. we dont really have any utility left. well. bluecon AE dot that would tick away for about 40 dmg....

so no. buff shearing is not a valid point imo.

 

[Thegreatest]

but then its only chanters that can spec for a dmg add to.. and its still WAY higher in Dps then a shammys spec DA is...

Yup but runemasters spec damage add is still the best of all 3 realms (if they spec for the highest one that is). And after all, none of the 3 realms have the same abbilities on the same classes...

 

[Ctuchik]

yes, but if runys arleady have a spec DA. why give shammys a variant i dont even use on my own shammy coz its totally pointless.....

either remove it and give us something useful or buff the DA to the classes that gets them as baseline.. coz it IS still a specc DA. no matter how u put it

 

[SeeN]

Something that I know people who actually play shaman actively hate to hear, but nevertheless should be said:

Why does shaman as the main buffbot class in mid have less usable buffs than cleric/druid (end regen being ranged)...

 

[Shan]

That's actually quite solid TL Report. No necessary "we r undarpowered" shit.

 

[PJS]

do shaman dots proc a healfont at the feet of the target or something?

 

[Archeon]

do shaman dots proc a healfont at the feet of the target or something?

Probably not, but with RvR more focused on keeps its easier to setup Heal/Power fonts than it is in roaming RvR.

 

[Oro]

Shammies need the Mend line fixed, there is no question of that. However, they are Midgard's secondary healing class so lets keep it in its place. As said above, possibly something like a HoT would be fine but I don't know. Long time since I even thought about it.

Regarding DoTs its a bit more dubious since the request to fix it is situational and there are counters to the various wards.

 

[Smurflord]

Tbh the shaman mending line seems fine when you compare it to the other realm's secondary healers.

Seems to be very similar to a warden's regrowth and a friar's revuj line.

They're all crap, but then they're not the primary healing classes and are all orientated towards their buff lines (ench/aug/nurture).

 

[vintervargen]

shaman != caster = weak dmg add
rm = caster = strong dmg add

 

[Cruhar]

I got the 39 cave, 37 aug, 4 mend on my Shammy.

Its a quite fun class to play in RvR, semi easy to get groups etc, fun both offensive and defensive.

My Baseline single target DoT now hits for around 80 and the AoE hitting for about 55, which isnt much for having 39 in a spec...

Sure the AoE desease makes it slightly better.
But with ToA Perfector ML1 and ML3 its not of much use, as I would only do around 5-20 damage per tick, and a group Cure Desease and spreadheal its all over in a matter of seconds.

My only task now is to interupt the pbaoe boxes with aoe desease / aoe root and provide endurence with takes up around 40% of my total buffpool...

Only in larger keep takes I find the shammy of much use as not all are grouped with a cleric... but SoR doesnt care if your grouped...

I dont care much about the damage output on bolt + DD as its quite low ... True it would be lovely to see the Bolt do a bit more damage, and to see the timer on DD either gone or lowered, but what I would really like is that they raised the damage on our DoTs or gave us a Matter/Body Debuff of some sort so that we could debuff our own damage... and made SoR / Spreadheal affected by desease, so when I have wasted 2-3 Manabars (MCL 2, Raging Power and a couple of Powerpots) I have done more than only interupting the enemy casters for more than 3 sec.

Another suggestion for the mendline would be some sort of group-healing Focus Shield thingy, that would work like a HoT, but I cant cast, move or be attacked with a 2000-2300 units range ....
I cast the shield and work like a SoR thingy (which should stack ofcourse) healing my groupmates within range for 150-250 HP or so untill interupted like a normal Focus damage Shield.

And true, the damage add is useless... remove it and give us something else or increase damage...
same goes with damage shield... and make it a timer instead of conc buff.

Well thats just my point of view and oppinion on the subject...

 

[Vodkafairy]

bolt does fuckloads on a mage that's just been rezzed fyi

 

[Balbor]

they don't have IP because they are not hybird healer/tanks.

There damage add may be weak and they have to spec for it but the same goes for Paladins etc, giving it to them on the baseline or a fully power one on the spec line would be too overpowered, why not let cleric cast theres on group members? or give them full powered DDs etc.

Shamen get AOE disease free, and its a very useful spell, not only for reducing healing but as a unbreakable snare that can be happly spammed. There baseline DOT delvs for the same as a Cabalists spec line.

 

[vintervargen]

wardens, friars and shammys aint dmg dealers. you give up 'frontload' for utility, get over it.

 

[Tuppe]

they don't have IP because they are not hybird healer/tanks.

There damage add may be weak and they have to spec for it but the same goes for Paladins etc, giving it to them on the baseline or a fully power one on the spec line would be too overpowered, why not let cleric cast theres on group members? or give them full powered DDs etc.

Shamen get AOE disease free, and its a very useful spell, not only for reducing healing but as a unbreakable snare that can be happly spammed. There baseline DOT delvs for the same as a Cabalists spec line.

delves same but example cabby benefit aquity buff -> higher dots, shammy dont.
dmg add are so and so whit shammy, shammy dont wanna melee paladin down its ment for realms main melees and giving there dmg add.
cleric is albs main healer, not secondary.
disease is some situations nice tool but ML1 offer group cure, ~5-6 hours work to get one.

 

[Zarteck]

still they should make some changes on the shammy class, why do they get melee version of maddening scalars but cant get ip? would guess that a class that gets a melee version of the arti are endeed a fighter wouldnt you?

 

[harm]

Shammies need the Mend line fixed, there is no question of that. However, they are Midgard's secondary healing class so lets keep it in its place. As said above, possibly something like a HoT would be fine but I don't know. Long time since I even thought about it.

Regarding DoTs its a bit more dubious since the request to fix it is situational and there are counters to the various wards.

Most secondary healers need their "healing" line adjusted.. reducing pow cost on large baselines by 33% is a start i guess..

 

[Laston]

wardens, friars and shammys aint dmg dealers. you give up 'frontload' for utility, get over it.

yeah Friars have lots utility!!111 like heal




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woot space here!


all secondary healers need their mend line fixed, spread heal ----> norma heal by miles when it comes to NF and normal rvr

 

[Balbor]

i think the group spec heals for main healer (Cleric, Druid and Healers) should be remove and replaced with a spell heal line that runs the whole spec (not just 30+), then give sencondary healers the old sped heals. While all sencondary healers (and 3rd class in case of wardens) have very pour healing lines, Shamen do have the best of the 4. Wardens should get cure DOT and disease.

Clerics (and thanes etc) also gain no benefit from aquity buff, Shamen DOTs still delv for same as cloth casters spec (even if they won't do as much damage), Cleric baseline DD doesn't delv for the same as spec nukes.

Perfector ML1 and ML3 will effect Cabalists as well, and they have to spec for AOE disease

 

[Laston]

i think the group spec heals for main healer (Cleric, Druid and Healers) should be remove and replaced with a spell heal line that runs the whole spec (not just 30+), then give sencondary healers the old sped heals. While all sencondary healers (and 3rd class in case of wardens) have very pour healing lines, Shamen do have the best of the 4. Wardens should get cure DOT and disease.

Clerics (and thanes etc) also gain no benefit from aquity buff, Shamen DOTs still delv for same as cloth casters spec (even if they won't do as much damage), Cleric baseline DD doesn't delv for the same as spec nukes.

Perfector ML1 and ML3 will effect Cabalists as well, and they have to spec for AOE disease

why is Shamans the best mend line if i may ask?

 

[Balbor]

why is Shamans the best mend line if i may ask?

best as far as secondary healers, Friggs does use up Conc and doesn't give the shamen Agro.

 

[Laston]

and doesnt work in combat, you get two ticks in combat with it you really need to be sitting for em to take affect. and Friggs dont help in rvr really, they heal to slow

 

[Leleith]

The shaman class miss everything that could be called utility, groupability, damage output and defense. Everything they have should be upped and preferably baseline as well. /humor mode off

Comparing shamans damage add to enchanters spec one? Before you do that, check what the 2 classes give up/gain from specing those 2 lines. And while you are at it, give every enchantment mastery enchanters you can find, a big hug. We have the best damage add in game on our runemasters. Be it baseline or not. You can be quite sure there are just a few more dark speced runies, than there are enchant enchanters. Wiz/theurg gets this in baseline, so they kinda win that fight, though.

And even if that damage add "is useless and meaningless on yourself", you can still cast it on others.