shaman spec help plz

[infernalwrath]

Hi i am thinking of making a shaman.
I dont know if shamans heals are worth specing in cause i am thinking of going for 42 aug 33 mend for last end regen and the lvl 33 spec heal or 33 mend 32 aug and 28 cave so i can get ae root .
Plz tell me if that specs are good or say if u have any better

 

[wiiwii]

shammy mend is really bad grp frigs crap in rvr.
get 15 mend for the rez u can stop there and go 42 aug 27+ cave

 

[piggeman]

If a playing shaman (not campig mtk), I would go:

38 aug (all resistbuffs yellow, end regen 4 which is second best and good enough)
37 cave (ae dot, ae shout desease, ae root)
9 mend (you got healers in grp anyways)

 

[Rhuric]

42 aug 31 cave 10 mending, 42 aug, healers without LW1 survives longer this way as they can permasprint, 31 in cave to get new ae root. 10 mending just cause it is the leftover points

 

[Archeon]

46cave,
28aug,
4mend,

Got that on my shaman, the AE dot is good fun in keep defense/takes for keeping people off the walls (Well, up untill the point the NPC archers get taken down. Then it gets tricky trying to land an AE on one of the guys that keep popping up and down)

Its also a nice spec for farming stuff (can AE dot kite about 7 greens on average, and only need to recast it once )


Though i'd be the first to admit this is quite a group un-friendly spec, but then i rolled him that way so i could have some fun not slave away for the group (I have my healer for that )

 

[cadiva]

I have 38 aug, 35 mend and 15 cave on my shammie and I love her to bits

Depends really on what sort of shaman you intend to play, ie will you be mostly grouped or mostly solo, do you intend to do a lot of RvR or will you be doing loads of PvE?

The above spec I have is pretty much the utility shaman, I have all the yellow resist buffs and am on end regen 4, mending gives me both rezzes, the cure disease/poison option, the 2nd to last group friggs (which is quite useful in RvR in our guild groups) and a wee bit of cave for DoTing, rooting and diseasing (although only the disease is AE).

All in all I've never found leveling this spec to be a problem and I don't have a problem in RvR either, but I've also got a very good guild

 

[infernalwrath]

Originally posted by cadiva
I have 38 aug, 35 mend and 15 cave on my shammie and I love her to bits

Depends really on what sort of shaman you intend to play, ie will you be mostly grouped or mostly solo, do you intend to do a lot of RvR or will you be doing loads of PvE?

The above spec I have is pretty much the utility shaman, I have all the yellow resist buffs and am on end regen 4, mending gives me both rezzes, the cure disease/poison option, the 2nd to last group friggs (which is quite useful in RvR in our guild groups) and a wee bit of cave for DoTing, rooting and diseasing (although only the disease is AE).

All in all I've never found leveling this spec to be a problem and I don't have a problem in RvR either, but I've also got a very good guild

that is the kind of shaman i want to be ... i want to heal to back up heal to be secondary healer FFS.. thats why i am thinking of 33 mend 42 aug... 33 spec heal r0x imo

 

[roteca]

37 aug
39 cave
4 mend

37 aug, for End4 and all yellow specbuffs, 2 yellow resist 1 blue.
39 cave, for 60 sec AE-root, 150 sec PBAE disease.
4 mend, because thats whats left...

that's the specc i will use anyway..

 

[old.anubis]

screw mend, nothing good there cept for res maybe
37 aug 39 cave is very nice spec, but be sure that every1 in your group has lw1
42-43 aug 27-31 cave is also very good

 

[-gama-]

41 cave, 32 aug, 14 mend

yell at everyone you know until they get long wind 1, and voila, permasprint, while still having enough cave to solo pve etc.

and yep, shammy mend is awful, wardens and bards get better mend lines, and they get pbt/(erm.. my minds gone blank... insert something decent that bards get, maybe insta 2.3k interupt on a 5 sec recast... or whatever) respectively

 

[agon]

Originally posted by -gama-
41 cave, 32 aug, 14 mend

yell at everyone you know until they get long wind 1, and voila, permasprint, while still having enough cave to solo pve etc.

and yep, shammy mend is awful, wardens and bards get better mend lines, and they get pbt/(erm.. my minds gone blank... insert something decent that bards get, maybe insta 2.3k interupt on a 5 sec recast... or whatever) respectively

imo not worth going 41 cave for the last bolt.. stop at 39 instead and get 36 aug rest mend or 37 aug rest mend.

I had exactly the same spec (41cave, 32 aug), but I respecced

either go for 36-37aug/39cave or 43aug/31cave. I think those are the two best specs

 

[zmurf]

I got 42aug 27cave 20mend pt, and will respec to 43, or 45aug and 27cave rest mend, now for group rvr alot think going for the 31ae root is nice, and in some cases it probably is, but the ae root is only 12 sec longer duration which is about 3~4sec more on casters and 1~2 sec more on tank's ....
the power cost rises about 50%, and since the ae root is allready lowlvl it has next to no duration, so it's mainly a form of AE interrupt at low powercost vs caster heavy group's (forcing ppl to moc, and if no moc, they r ****ed)

Now with the 31ae root ull loose power way to fast compared to whatelse u could use this power on, and maybe face the risk of going oop to early in larger scale fight's (vs 2~4 fg's) which is where u REALLY don't wanna go oop ...

About the end regen, even with end 5, sword and axe and la (dying race) users will run out of endurance infight's, which really isen't the best (this goes for slammer's aswell) so u can guess the problem get's bigger with an even lower end regen, even with lw1 and end5 iv seen burebista and sub run out of endurance (no biggy for bura he got end shout) ...

Mend, i started out wanting 35+ mend with ra's etc (atm at 20+18) but realise that single target heal takes up more power than group heal even if only 1 guy is dmg'd, and the variance in the group heal is so low, even with 25ish mend (counting rr's and item's) ull get the variance to 20hits~ so just a slong as long as u get 8(?) mend u should be fine, then u get both cure's which r VERY nice when rvr'ing and doing quest's (death to iarnvidur's lair) ...

But all in all, the most importnent thing when choosing ur spec, choose what u think ULL gain from, and not what other's will gain from (as in fun im talking about) ... all these r just my 'point of view' to help u choose ...

 

[vintervargen]

whatever you do, dont listen to smurf!

spec the exact opposite of what he says, and you will be just fine!

 

[infernalwrath]

Originally posted by zmurf
I got 42aug 27cave 20mend pt, and will respec to 43, or 45aug and 27cave rest mend, now for group rvr alot think going for the 31ae root is nice, and in some cases it probably is, but the ae root is only 12 sec longer duration which is about 3~4sec more on casters and 1~2 sec more on tank's ....
the power cost rises about 50%, and since the ae root is allready lowlvl it has next to no duration, so it's mainly a form of AE interrupt at low powercost vs caster heavy group's (forcing ppl to moc, and if no moc, they r ****ed)

Now with the 31ae root ull loose power way to fast compared to whatelse u could use this power on, and maybe face the risk of going oop to early in larger scale fight's (vs 2~4 fg's) which is where u REALLY don't wanna go oop ...

About the end regen, even with end 5, sword and axe and la (dying race) users will run out of endurance infight's, which really isen't the best (this goes for slammer's aswell) so u can guess the problem get's bigger with an even lower end regen, even with lw1 and end5 iv seen burebista and sub run out of endurance (no biggy for bura he got end shout) ...

Mend, i started out wanting 35+ mend with ra's etc (atm at 20+18) but realise that single target heal takes up more power than group heal even if only 1 guy is dmg'd, and the variance in the group heal is so low, even with 25ish mend (counting rr's and item's) ull get the variance to 20hits~ so just a slong as long as u get 8(?) mend u should be fine, then u get both cure's which r VERY nice when rvr'ing and doing quest's (death to iarnvidur's lair) ...

But all in all, the most importnent thing when choosing ur spec, choose what u think ULL gain from, and not what other's will gain from (as in fun im talking about) ... all these r just my 'point of view' to help u choose ...

Well i want a group shaman and i dont like doting or anything ... i wonna have the yellow dex/quick buff (and maybe end regen 5) so i can cast fast and i want to H E A L .... Plz dont tell me make a healer... crap starting dex dont have self dex/quick buff no tnxi dont like casting 1 spread every 6 secs ...
I have played countless hours with a cleric i got together with a rl friend ( got him 450 k rps and not zerg rps) and i like firstly to buff and secondary to heal
So it all come to this IF I SPEC 33 MEND I WILL BE ABLE TO HEAL ??? EVEN BY ONLY USING MY 33 SPEC HEAL AS MY HEAVY ONE ?
When i play my cleric i mainly use the same heal and also the small heal to spamm it on casters and spread heal ( i will use group heal ... and i am not primary healer anyways)

ps i am a dex maniac imo without 270 ++ dex i cant heal .. got 1 sec delay from crap conection cant play if i need 3+++ sec to cast a heal + 1 sec delay from hte danm lagg

 

[uglymug]

Originally posted by vintervargen
whatever you do, dont listen to smurf!

spec the exact opposite of what he says, and you will be just fine!

nope... the zmurf is right on the money

well ...the last line of his post is ... there are several good shaman specs, just depends on what you wanna do with the shaman and how you like to play the class

And seeing as the spec i chose for my shaman hasn't been mentioned..i'll mention it too (altho my troll has been called a gimp by BC on several occasions... so i guess that makes it official )

46cave (best aedot + aedisease = deadly)
25mend (when dotting fails i have the option to be the backup healer in a group)
13aug (second end reg at 12, but i had some left over points)

i like my spec and before anybody suggest i respec ... the only respec i would consider is taking everything out of aug and going full cave

 

[zaberhut]

37 aug (decent buffs with moa2-3 and second best end regen wich is enough)

39 cave (2nd best of everything in the specline)

skip mend imo

 

[Fafner]

I went for 46 cave 23 aug and 17 mend.. My heals have sucked..
My end has been adequate... And Cave roxx..
If you want to heal as a shammy you have to realize that your heals will always kinda stink.. so better take your cave skills out into RvR and show the, to the albs.. then get Mastery of Healing... the crit heal RA... That should give you a half decent heal.

The brilliant part of this spec is that when you if you cant get a group because everyone has a buffbot, you can always solo...
On top of that its the perfect spec for when you need to pl ppl from lvl 1 to 35ish

I also have a 44 aug/mend shammy... damn its booring.. the only time I get busy is when recasting end.. sure I can heal a bit.. but its just booring.

 

[zmurf]

Originally posted by infernalwrath
Well i want a group shaman and i dont like doting or anything ... i wonna have the yellow dex/quick buff (and maybe end regen 5) so i can cast fast and i want to H E A L .... Plz dont tell me make a healer... crap starting dex dont have self dex/quick buff no tnxi dont like casting 1 spread every 6 secs ...
I have played countless hours with a cleric i got together with a rl friend ( got him 450 k rps and not zerg rps) and i like firstly to buff and secondary to heal
So it all come to this IF I SPEC 33 MEND I WILL BE ABLE TO HEAL ??? EVEN BY ONLY USING MY 33 SPEC HEAL AS MY HEAVY ONE ?
When i play my cleric i mainly use the same heal and also the small heal to spamm it on casters and spread heal ( i will use group heal ... and i am not primary healer anyways)

ps i am a dex maniac imo without 270 ++ dex i cant heal .. got 1 sec delay from crap conection cant play if i need 3+++ sec to cast a heal + 1 sec delay from hte danm lagg

If u want a shaman, and u wanna heal, then spec mend, and if someone tell's u not to, tell em stfu or /ignore, ur opinion on ur char is > any other opinion ... all i was doing was laying out why i specced mine, to kindda help ... hope it did ... gl with the shaman, they own

 

[rg-zorena]

with 35 points in mending +11 i heal for 383... very bad heals..
well if you wanna heal as a shaman go high mending but.. as you can see you will not help with the healing that much sence spread heals are so much better then any type of other healing (except insta heals maybe)..

 

[infernalwrath]

Tnx all for your help
I dont know what i will do .. i will either roll a mend/aug shaman or a swordsman ( dunno if it is savage warior or skald )

Originally posted by rg-zorena
with 35 points in mending +11 i heal for 383... very bad heals..
well if you wanna heal as a shaman go high mending but.. as you can see you will not help with the healing that much sence spread heals are so much better then any type of other healing (except insta heals maybe)..

If u see the mana usage VS the hp healed by the lvl 33 spec heal its the best in the game imo same mana as the best base and heals around 150+ more hp. Only dissadvantage is that is slow heal ... 3.2 sec base casting time thats why u need 270+ dex so u can cast it @ 2.2 secs

 

[beehappy]

And seeing as the spec i chose for my shaman hasn't been mentioned..i'll mention it too (altho my troll has been called a gimp by BC on several occasions... so i guess that makes it official )

all BC RvRing shammy's have - 42+Aug and 27+ Cave
after 1.62 i will respec Tsss 43/31/rest mend.

 

[old.anubis]

after next patch 43 aug is a must
you dont want all your group dead from two vps ^^

 

[fl3a]

lets put it this way - if you think 42+ aug only helps your group you are dead wrong. extra damage on dot you get from 27-31 cave to ~46 cave is very little, if any. thats why, a shaman with 42+ aug will beat a shammy with 46 cave, because HE CASTS FASTER and HAS MORE HP.

so basically, 42 aug doesnt help only your group, it helps YOU!

 

[[NP]Armea]

if you are going to RVR...
Then take spec 20mend 42aug 27cave or 18mend 43aug 27cave....


:>

 

[cadiva]

Originally posted by -gama-
and yep, shammy mend is awful

I would reckon all of Wolverines would argue with that statement as until we got our lovely healers Saucy and Jenjen my shaman was quite often the only thing keeping people alive if Lugger's mending spec shammie wasn't available in both RvR and PvE.


As has been said before tho, pick the shaman spec you know YOU will like to play and tell everyone else to bugger off - works for me