Sendond keep door... It's not a cheat!

[Simba]

First of all forgive but i'm not so good in english i might write many mistakes.

I saw many topics now with sreenshots too, that someone went threw 2nd door and killed, died, casted, abused, etc...

The problem is some players can walk threw the door, and then some enemies will send sreenshots, whines, to rightnow.

But let's approach this problem in another way.
There is a feature in the us servers, if the update client can't reach the update servers wich listed in the update.dat, it reaches a master server, and and updates the update.dat file. But in the europen version we get this cool feater too, if someone can't reach the update server, due to isp/router/firewall/etc.. problems
it downloads the the update.dat from the us server, and on next start it's going to patch from the us servers. And the gane won't start untill its get reinstalled.
But not all players have good net connection, many players still using 56k/isdn modems, and its really a pain to allways reinstall, and download the current patch. And if they make a backup from camelot.exe and update.dat, they can downgrade the version of their game really fast, instead of reinstalling the full game, and that causes the keep door problems. (Most of the players don't know they having problems, they just found a new door in the tower)
There are warnings at onlysomepeoplereadsthis.com/forgottennews/current/news that if u walk threw on second door you are abusing you will be busted. (i can't find that news becase when i try to seek in the news archive i get this error message: The page you have asked for could not be found or is currently unavailable.)

So all i wanted to say the real solution for this problem, is not to take sanctions aginst those who walking threw on second door. The upgrade servers needs to be checking those files wich couse the problem, and if these files are differ from the current version patch, download these files too. And remove our nice feature if our servers unavaible, we get patch from us servers. And then there won't be any further keep door problems.

 

[Damon_D]

Nahhh nm to easy........

 

[Fafnir]

Well when i reported a strange encounter with hibs at a keep earlier this week, i got a reply that the doors where a known bug, and the would check their server side logs.

 

[Dumle]

Is it that the server upgrades to the version with the changed keeps and the second door doesnt exist and instead there is a door at the lordtower?
Or is it something that you can actively do to achieve the effect of the door disappearing?

Personally I think that if it is the first then some ppl might be so screwed to not know what was in the patch we just got and just assume we got this in it and just run in. (Lets face it some ppl are so into the fighting they wouldnt notice if the keep fell down, they sure wouldnt notice that ppl are hitting something they cant see)

I agree that its no excuse for a bug but Id say that you shouldnt report them until you have seen them do it 2-3 times and have screens of all the occasions.
Problem is if you report straight away you could get some guy banned that wasnt aware he had the bug until he was already in there and being attacked, so ofcourse he defends himself.

Just my PoV

 

[Damon_D]

I guesse you could put in the ip add for the american server and force a wrong update , there by gaining accesse to the cheat..AND YES IT IS CHEATING !!

 

[Dumle]

Ofcourse it is cheating and I do not in any way condone it mate, however hasty reports is never good IMO, bugs can happen to anyone without their knowledge, not just be abused you know.
If however you see one/some ppl using it over and over I defo think you should report them.

Just be aware of the fact that maybe the next time a bug occurs you might happen to stumble upon it and they might report you. I can tell you 100% sure if you are reported and they have screens it wont matter if you tell GOA it wasnt intentional, youll get your ass banned anyways.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Damon_D
Nahhh nm to easy........

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Hi. I'm stupid too

 

[Melachi-]

Thread starter is completely right, this is the fault of GOA, dont people understand that? And heres the prize winner

The servers were just patched, GOA has not said anything in their news about the bug. Therefore there is a huge posibility that there is an awful lot of people who do not know it is a bug but maybe a feature in the last patch.

[Edit] And even if GOA posted it on their webby thats not enough, they should have a message pop up to you ingame as not everyone checks the webby.

[Edit 2] And i checked the CoC, there is no rule against using a feature/item/quest from a future patch in a un updated server. So for all of you reporting people for it, here check this out too... Quest from a future patch available in current patch, thats exploiting not Goas fault!111

 

[liste]

The official stand from GOA is that it is a bug. Hence, it is. Exploiting it, is ilegal, and should be reported as well

 

[Damon_D]

Actualy Melachi if GOA says this is a bug and they will ban peopel for doing it.. they can do so without posting it any where..aka they dont have to give any freaking reason to ban you..if they dont like your pants..thay can ban you .... mkay ???

 

[liste]

Not that there's anything wrong with your pants

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Originally posted by Melachi[Mid]
The servers were just patched, GOA has not said anything in their news about the bug. Therefore there is a huge posibility that there is an awful lot of people who do not know it is a bug but maybe a feature in the last patch.

Not a chance no one who rvr activly is unawear of this bug since it has prolly happned at every keep take since it got known to be usefull.

 

[- Pathfinder -]

TBH, if you abuse this bug over and over, and then try to claim ignorance, you're quite laughable If you're simply too dumb to realise something is wrong when you can freely move through a non-existant second door, well, go back to kindergarten and come back in 10 years

 

[Melachi-]

You people just baffle me seriously. Even if someone is well aware its a bug and is abusing it, you would report them in the hope they get banned? I havent been at a keep take since this bug has come up since im in college alot and cant play but, dont you think some of you are taking this game a tad serious? You do realise that your little report could land some poor chap with a ban on his hands after months of XPing Farming and the like, what a waste of time. Even worse tho is, im 100% there is still a fair few people who dont know about this bug, reason being is because i wouldnt know about it unless i read this website, had i not read it I could be out there 'abusing' this bug and get ban on my hands, fuck that. You people seriously need a break from this. Mythical computer creatures from around Europe have you lot fuming!

No matter how much you exploited, cheated in this game i would never wish a ban on anyone, so many people have spent so much time on it. The only thing that imo deserves a ban is hacking or stealing peoples accounts.

 

[Fafnir]

If people are aware about this and use it, its even worse. Cause its hurts my gametime I pay for. Where should we draw the line? If you know you got theese files and think fixing it takes too much time, you dont have to abuse it and screw your fellow gamers over. Just wait until the rest of your keeptake friends are done with the 2nd door and then go into the keep.

 

[Melachi-]

Heres my point,
Although i dont agree with it being abused, we cant be sure that if GOA decide to start banning people over it, that some of the people that get banned might have not known and taught it came with a patch or something. Where do you draw the line? Is it ok if GOA ban 100 people, of which 99 were totaly guilty but 1 was not?

Everyone who has walked through the second gate is being tarred with the same brush, 'bug exploiters' and it might not be true.

Put yourself in the position of one of the innocent who gets banned along with the guilty. Do you still think GOA was right to ban?

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Melachi[Mid]
Put yourself in the position of one of the innocent who gets banned along with the guilty. Do you still think GOA was right to ban?

I dont think GOA will ban someone for doin it one time. But if they know the guy does it more sure ban him.

 

[Cyfr]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Hi. I'm stupid too

 

[liste]

Melachi, the point is;

If i catch someone with this bug, i will report it.

If they did it unintentionally, and are willing to acknowledge the fact that they accidentally abused a bug, no harm, no foul. The fault will be corrected with no reprecautions. If not, well, its up to GOA to handle the case.

In any case, reporting the incident to GOA, will help 2 things:

First of all, it will give GOA a much clearer picture of how wide spread the abuse is.

Second of all, it will help GOA help the people who genuinely didnt do this on purpose.


Also, if i catch someone abusing it, and i notice that they stop, i will not report it. That would mean, that they either found out about the bug, or was told about it, and Logged out to sort it (as any conscious fair player would do)

And yes. If i catch someone abusing a bug on purpose, i want them banned. Why? I hate cheaters

 

[Melachi-]

Are you willing to accept though, that there is a fairly good posibility if GOA starts banning people for it, that someone innocent will be banned?

If so, then this method of fixing the problem is very flawed. Also Prevention is better than cure, if goa fix this, it cant be abused.

 

[Shike]

Originally written by GOA
Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults. Players also undertake to notify GOA personnel of the presence of any bugs, undocumented functions or design faults that they may discover as soon as possible.

I dunno, but can it get any clearer than this? This is directly taken from the Rules of Conduct.

 

[Melachi-]

Last post,

By all means report this bug to GOA every time you see it happening. But dont report people using it. Because

Your going to get somebody innocent banned

 

[oshikai]

This happened to me a few weeks ago, on a keep take, 1st door down, the second was open & my initial thought was they hadnt repaired the inner doors, after the fog of war had cleared i realised that was a dumb assumption & when i saw the new doors on the bottom of the keep tower i knew somthing wasnt right.

I had already hit a couple of the mids in the keep but i decided to leave and go back to the gap between the doors, sadly i couldnt resist hitting the lil kobbie pbao-ing where the inner door should have been ( only hit him once or twice then felt guilty) ...

Anyway, keep take finished, cant even remember if we took it or not, but i did post on prydwen.net about the incedent & asked for some advice about what to do. Someone suggested contacting right now but they beat me to it & contacted me first & threatened me with SEVERE ACTIONS if i repeated it.

Dunno if i was reported or if someone saw the thread i posted but i was told to reinstall to clear the problem, which i couldnt be arsed to do so didnt bother & strangley enough it fixed itself even before the last patch.

Sorry for the long waffly post just thote id share my experience with you.

 

[chretien]

Originally posted by oshikai
This happened to me a few weeks ago, on a keep take, 1st door down, the second was open & my initial thought was they hadnt repaired the inner doors, after the fog of war had cleared i realised that was a dumb assumption & when i saw the new doors on the bottom of the keep tower i knew somthing wasnt right.

I had already hit a couple of the mids in the keep but i decided to leave and go back to the gap between the doors, sadly i couldnt resist hitting the lil kobbie pbao-ing where the inner door should have been ( only hit him once or twice then felt guilty) ...

Anyway, keep take finished, cant even remember if we took it or not, but i did post on prydwen.net about the incedent & asked for some advice about what to do. Someone suggested contacting right now but they beat me to it & contacted me first & threatened me with SEVERE ACTIONS if i repeated it.

Dunno if i was reported or if someone saw the thread i posted but i was told to reinstall to clear the problem, which i couldnt be arsed to do so didnt bother & strangley enough it fixed itself even before the last patch.

Sorry for the long waffly post just thote id share my experience with you.

Precisely. No-one is going to get a ban for being reported once. They'll get a warning like Oshikai did. After this point they cannot claim ignorance in any way shape or form. If they then abuse the bug again and get reported it's because they are choosing to cheat and should get banned imo.

 

[oshikai]

Originally posted by chretien
Precisely. No-one is going to get a ban for being reported once. They'll get a warning like Oshikai did. After this point they cannot claim ignorance in any way shape or form. If they then abuse the bug again and get reported it's because they are choosing to cheat and should get banned imo.

Found the email ..........



-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Incident 031028-000185] Strange behaviour warning.
From: support@camelot-europe.com




Recently you requested personal assistance from our on-line support center. Below is a summary of your request and our response.

We will assume your issue has been resolved if we do not hear from you within 48 hours.

Thank you for allowing us to be of service to you.

Subject
Strange behaviour warning.

Discussion Thread
Response (CS) 10/28/2003 04:59 PM
Greetings,

It has come to our attention that you were behaving weirdly last night during a keep take. The behaviour included going "through" keeps and doors.
We are aware that such problem can happen in some special situations and, before taking any actions, we STRONGY invite you to reinstall your Dark Age of Camelot using the installation CD.
If we receive any further report, we will have to consider that this warning has been ignored and will have to take actions.

Yours sincerely,
---------------------------------------------
European Dark Age of Camelot Customer Support


Deleted my personal stuff only ...... love there spelling ... & also i never contacted them at all, only posted for advice on pryd.net