See Hidden

[Farnis]

Any good for sb's?

Just wondering if those people who have see hidden find that they see non-assassin stealthers out in rvr. I dont really want to spend the points if minstrels dont stealth and all archers are camo'd.

Cheers
Fink.

 

[erl]

Two guild-SBs just got it and praise it.

As for archers, cammo is seldom up.

Minstrels don't stealth often though.

 

[mid_Efour]

camo is on a 600 second timer, i kill one person then i expect to die I think they really need to shorten thsi timer at least by half its totaly fucked all Archer classes up

 

[furious_george]

see hidden is the biggest load of bollox i have ever seen. an 8 pt RA that completely nullifys the 30+ points i have put into stealth. I wouldnt mind it so much if they made it level based, but today a green con infil saw me at mmgH, which kinda pissed me off. Ok i saw him before he PA'ed me but thats not the point his mates then piled in on me

It should be made lvl based, a green con infil with an 8pt RA should not be able to see me from miles away.

Ok im done.

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Assassins are suposed to kill us Furious. Mythic just didn't notice that Infis kill everything that moves exept archers (and that was only because they couldn't see them) so they added see hidden.

Infact they added see hidden because they didn't want to increase the range bonus from detect hidden. Increasing the effect of detect hidden would mean that assassins could see not only archers at decent range but also other assassins. Of course that would be as bad to assassins as see hidden is to archers. An Infi couldn't get near anyone anymore because if there is SB or NS close he would be dead for sure.

The decission Mythic had to make was simple... assassins are intended to kill archers. They can't enforce that by screwing the assassins so the screwed the archers.

See Hidden should not work at clipping distance! See hidden should work like detect hidden hence be level based!

And here is my solution to the "assassin owns everything" problem:

1. Give assassins a seperate damage table. Nerf their average damage. (They are deadly even if the mess up their intital CS style.)
2. Give them a damage bonus (like critical shots) for the CS styles.
3. Reduce Evade! (They are suposed to kill archers and casters not evading 10 times vs. a tank.)
4. Restrict all assassins to slash weapons. (Yes, slash because you should kill casters! Not tanks in chain or plate!)
5. Don't allow SBs to use 2h weapons. (Bcz if you do 1.-4. SBs would be way overpowered vs other assassins.)

This will limit the targets for a solo assassin to archers and casters and thats exactly what the class was designed for.

 

[Dook_Pug]

Assasins aren't supposed to kill just Casters and Archers.

They're supposed to pick off solo targets.

If you run solo, you leave yourself open to death by an Assasin. Tank or not.

 

[Tesla Monkor]

The reason See Hidden was added wasn't because archers were overpowered... It's because the assassins were either incompetent or too lazy to find us. They already had the tools to locate us.

Everytime I see an assassin moan about truesight I get the nearly irrepressible urge to point and laugh. You feel insecure because some people have TS? Multiply that feeling by oh, about 15 times and you know how archers feel pretty much ALL the time. (I know some of them don't buy SH and agree that it's overpowered, but for every one that doesn't, 9 do. And it only takes one to see us.)

Ever so slowly Mythic is reversing their addition of See Hidden. (Except remove it, since that would admit they f'cked up, and mythic never does that.

Camo was the first step, and the recent hunter boosts a second step. I expect more.

 

[Farnis]

Erm - enough assassin bashing.

Is see hidden worth me getting over purge?

 

[old.Tbird]

After playing a SB for a couple of weeks and hitting 2L6 I really must say i'd like to know when it's my time to become uber?

95% of the time i'll be solo and unbuffed & quite honestly I have to pick targets very very carefully or i'm up for the long walk back (because i'm on the fringes of a group or outside the keep my chance of a rez is usually minimal)

How about some examples of my fearsome dmg? Successful PA on a standing caster(with relics) 350-400, successful PA on a sitting caster(without relics, but this is supposed to be my optimum target) 420, Doublefrost anything from 140 up but my end bar is gone in 4 swings, Snowsquall again 140 up end bar lasts longer but it's rear positional.

Of course i'm at the low end of the food chain and the higher RR buffed blades are something to fear. But i'm an average player, unbuffed, low RR's, no uber gear, i'm what the class is based on. Give buffs, legion eqpt and 5 or 6 RR's to any class and they'll give you a damn good fight in return.

As to see hidden over purge, I specced out of dodger to get purge, 2 more points and I get see hidden. Will I get it to own archers? No, but because i'm often solo i'll get it to avoid the minstrel/inf combos that mez,stun then rip me a new one. Or to avoid the scouts that crit me for 700, pump me with another for 300 then slam me just for good measure. (and will have IP soon when I dont)

And no this isn't a whine, i'm happy as I am just feel the need to show life isn't as rosey for assassins as people think. In fact my RP accumulation is waaaay slower than my skald but when I am owned it's often on my terms and i'm enjoying it, which quite frankly is the bit that counts......

 

[Svartur]

I just make sure to have all my get out of jail card RAs ready.

/em sets mode sarchasm on

They are all active RAs and with a 30 min timer so they are almost always ready.

/em sets mode sarchasm off

 

[snikit]

Tbird is right, ppl set off about Sb's hitting for 900+ dmg i personally have never seen a Pa do that kind of dmgand i've tried to get it aswell, but hey i dont use a lvl 50 buff bot to go RvR (maybe i should?)

 

[old.Jeriraa]

You need to be a crit blade to do this damage with a PA.
You need to have maxed sword/axe spec.
You need to have maxed CS spec.
You need to use a 2h.

Edit: My level 24 BG Critblade PA'd chain wearers for 230+ when we still had the strength relics. This is about the same damage dualwielding lvl 50 NSs PA me for with main hand.

 

[Farnis]

When you talk about PA'ing for 900 - do you mean

You perform your perf correctly (900)
you hit the bloke with your sword (400)

or

You perform your PA correctly (500)
You hit the bloke with your sword (400)

?

btw - Ive just noticed that the cost of purge comes down to 4 points in 1.53 - so that has pretty much made my mind up for me.

Cheers ta.

 

[old.Jeriraa]

Cost of purge is reduce for tanks and light tanks.
I'd count an infi for a light tank but not a SB!

Edit: And oh, Critblades do the 900dmg. Their damage cap with 2h can easily exeed 1k dmg.