Second Installment of Shadowblade, Infiltrator or Nightshade!

[- Pathfinder -]

SOme Sbs you actually get a positive damage modifier on, roll on more gimps in epic armour please

 

[Dorin]

ns got magic, kewl... good for nothing but still nice... like x-bow
we get ap3... yes after rr6l5 i may be able to buy it (without dumping other useful ra's). Tbh, sbs-shades get pwned by 2h dmg just as infils do, silly to say infil is not better then an other assassin couse it gets beaten by LW dmg... just silly durgi. No idea how many rr5-rr6 infis get close to 10% hp from a cosantoir-brehon ns... but if a rr3 infi gets dragonfang off, lets say i dont have purge nor ap up, i can die pretty easily... no matter iam almost 3-4 realmranks higher... as soloing is kinda dead nowdays, stealthzerging-duo/trioing also helps the infiltrator, as they have greater numbers, mincer makes them gods in a stealth grp and i would dare to say that a ranger with dual wield is worse then a scout that can slam me while fighting an infil.

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by Cavex ElSaviour
NOOO, thats a big FAT lie, a SB loosing from an armsman in a 1 vs 1 fight is an urban legend.

DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT MAN, repeat, DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT MAN> he is insane. keep attacking solo armsman in a 1 vs 1 fight

shoo shooo

/ does alot of arm flailing to scare the critter away

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by ironhand
Yea and the point? Assasins were never designed to kill tanks, that why tanks are tanks to be master of melee in uber armour etc etc Whether or not Assasins do & can kill tanks is another matter, why whine about it just accept what scraps Mythic throw us.

point being is alot harder for a tank to kill an infil, than it is to kill a SB, so Durgi's point being " yeah infil's might be tough but a tank can kill em " dont count for diddly..Infil's are in a league of there own as fare as stealthers goes , and with stunning , mezzing and sos'ing mincer's as back-up they are plain Hell ..Guesse thats why Durgi dont play his SB no more , and I cant say I blame him..

 

[ironhand]

Originally posted by Damon_D
Infil's are in a league of there own as fare as stealthers goes , and with stunning , mezzing and sos'ing mincer's as back-up they are plain Hell ..Guesse thats why Durgi dont play his SB no more , and I cant say I blame him..

Sound's very familiar to me lets just swap the odd word here and there....



SAVAGES are in a league of there own as fare as TANKS goes , and with QUAD HITS, mezzing and HEALER INSTA STUN they are plain Hell ..Guesse thats why ALBION dont play his NONE STEALTH RVR no more , and I cant say I blame him..


Something along those lines i believe.

 

[amazingsteve]

that's a nice story loch ;o

 

[Addlcove]

Originally posted by ironhand
Sound's very familiar to me lets just swap the odd word here and there....



SAVAGES are in a league of there own as fare as TANKS goes , and with QUAD HITS, mezzing and HEALER INSTA STUN they are plain Hell ..Guesse thats why ALBION dont play his NONE STEALTH RVR no more , and I cant say I blame him..


Something along those lines i believe.

love the edit

 

[scarffs]

Originally posted by ironhand
Sound's very familiar to me lets just swap the odd word here and there....



SAVAGES are in a league of there own as fare as TANKS goes , and with QUAD HITS, mezzing and HEALER INSTA STUN they are plain Hell ..Guesse thats why ALBION dont play his NONE STEALTH RVR no more , and I cant say I blame him..


Something along those lines i believe.

Savages get a big nerf a month or so after they became fotm ( US ).
Infils and mincers ( and enchanters ) are sooooo fotm ( or foty ) and still goign strong, no nerfs ahead.

Now whine on.

 

[ironhand]

Originally posted by scarffs
Savages get a big nerf a month or so after they became fotm ( US ).
Infils and mincers ( and enchanters ) are sooooo fotm ( or foty ) and still goign strong, no nerfs ahead.

Now whine on.

Yea but Mythic are on to 1.67 or so now, GOA are so pants we getting left behind on the patching state. And from what i read up on the savage nerf there still way too powerful. Besides USA have TOA - PN's & SL = Stealthers gimped.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by ironhand
Yea but Mythic are on to 1.67 or so now, GOA are so pants we getting left behind on the patching state. And from what i read up on the savage nerf there still way too powerful. Besides USA have TOA - PN's & SL = Stealthers gimped.

Anyone got any proof that ToA is actually gimping mincers and infs or is that just conjecture ?

 

[ironhand]

Go read up about Presense Nodes and Stealth Lore. Make your own conclusion.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by ironhand
Go read up about Presense Nodes and Stealth Lore. Make your own conclusion.

I'd prefer to hear from ppl who've played with them for a while.

 

[Melachi-]

Chanters are getting 2 small nerf in an upcomming patch oO

Reduction on duration of Heat debuff
&
Focus Damage Shield not being as good on high level mobs or something

 

[eynar]

Originally posted by old.Downanael
[02:22] <Derric-> just need down,emma and eynar there now ;o



Infils are ok for everyone expect stealthers then Pretty accurate would say.

Oki, by request I'm here (although I never played an assassin).
I've been reading lots of replies about infils standing no chance vs real tanks etc, but truth is my warrior gets owned by infils about 80% of the time. Thrust or slash spec doesn't even matter that much. The last one on one fight I had vs an infil showed me some pretty funny things when I scrolled up the events window. The infil was hitting me for more dmg than I was hitting him. I know people try to counter this argument by saying I was str/con debuffed etc, but it still makes no sense then. Was fully buffed back then (347 str), hammer spec gets bonus vs leather & warrior is supposed to be most dmging class in the game, but still the slash specced infil did more dmg per hit vs my slash resistant chain. But hey, if this is considered to be normal for all you people then indeed I'd have to admit infils are in no way overpowered then...and neither are savages

 

[Melachi-]

Been playing my friends shadowblade (he lets me play from his house now and again) for a few days now, i respeced his skills and his gimpy realm abilitys. He's realm rank 5l6 which is pretty handy. Spec is... (SC is a tad gimpy)

34 Stealth +15
40 Axe +15
44 Left Axe +8
34 CS +14
22 Env +13

Ra's are, Aug str2, dex2, qui2, dodger2, mopain2, DR2, MoStealth 1, toughness1, Purge and See hidden.

When im shammy buffed, i do ok versus an infil, but when im shammy buffed and have a Haste buff from my healer I have nice odd's. Usualy if i land PA + CD on an scout/mincer, i kill them during the CD stun, by using Snowblind->Icy brilliance. I havent been playing long as a SB tho, so i miss PA alot, infact i havent managed to land PA on an infil yet in 1-v-1, but i have landed backstab on 2 of them, and killed them. I dont claim to be a good shadowblade, infact i know im not good. But when I have Haste + red shammy buffs, I do have a good chance versus Infils 1 on 1.

Infils do have the advantage, but it really isnt huge. Mincer Infil duo's tho are another story.

 

[Damon_D]

Originally posted by ironhand
Sound's very familiar to me lets just swap the odd word here and there....



SAVAGES are in a league of there own as fare as TANKS goes , and with QUAD HITS, mezzing and HEALER INSTA STUN they are plain Hell ..Guesse thats why ALBION dont play his NONE STEALTH RVR no more , and I cant say I blame him..


Something along those lines i believe.

Well guesse you want us to make a super sized savage zerg then and camp all mg's 27/7 , I bet you would think that is uber funny

 

[ironhand]

No i dont agree with the stealth zergs as much as you do, it becomes a vicious circle. Already over the last few weeks we've seen the creation and active participation of the Hib stealth zerg probley for survival as much as anything, i mean what fun is it being a solo stealther geting ganked by another 4 5 6 + stealthers. None. Its diffcult to get teh balance right and i suppose theres nothing as a community you can do about it, get zerged or FOTM'ed so you Zerg back etc. Perhaps many inbalances will have gone with ToA and l8r pathcs, but then knowing mythic something else will be a major issue.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Melachi-
Been playing my friends shadowblade (he lets me play from his house now and again) for a few days now, i respeced his skills and his gimpy realm abilitys. He's realm rank 5l6 which is pretty handy. Spec is... (SC is a tad gimpy)

34 Stealth +15
40 Axe +15
44 Left Axe +8
34 CS +14
22 Env +13

Ra's are, Aug str2, dex2, qui2, dodger2, mopain2, DR2, MoStealth 1, toughness1, Purge and See hidden.

When im shammy buffed, i do ok versus an infil, but when im shammy buffed and have a Haste buff from my healer I have nice odd's. Usualy if i land PA + CD on an scout/mincer, i kill them during the CD stun, by using Snowblind->Icy brilliance. I havent been playing long as a SB tho, so i miss PA alot, infact i havent managed to land PA on an infil yet in 1-v-1, but i have landed backstab on 2 of them, and killed them. I dont claim to be a good shadowblade, infact i know im not good. But when I have Haste + red shammy buffs, I do have a good chance versus Infils 1 on 1.

Infils do have the advantage, but it really isnt huge. Mincer Infil duo's tho are another story.

translation: buy another account, lvl ANOTHER buffbot and we're about even.

 

[Drakin]

Originally posted by Damon_D
Well guesse you want us to make a super sized savage zerg then and camp all mg's 27/7 , I bet you would think that is uber funny

27 hours in a day ....... gg

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Jenkz
I can understand this spec AF argument from an SB POV, but from a buffed NS POV i cant.

best cleric spec AF was proven to be around a 14% absorb?

http://www.camelotherald.com/spells/spell.php?s=2745&level=50

20% conc hast

so, you're doing 20% more damage from haste, and infi is taking 14% less...

i have a lowish RR infil, and he gets his arse handed to him on a plate by buffed up NS and rangers (RR5 or less, RR7+ and goodday ) dragonfang or spec cleric AF or not.

if we can level a druid for haste u can level a theurg for haste too, not much to go to atk to rebuff each 10 mins, we go and rebuff our dmg adds every 10 mins

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by nemesisgm
Cons:

Armour vulnerability... Infs suffer from crush vulnerable armour.. no biggy one would say, but with majority of Champ's and Mid tanks wielding big hammers any inf will tell you they hurt and hurt alot.. LW and the 2 handed machnics of midgard make life very hard for the infiltrator, and should a inf find himself slammed without purge up next too a mid tank using a hammer he might as well just start typing /release.. his opponent capable of doing 700+ dmg a blow for the period he's stunned.

i fail to see how this is a downside, i'd call this a major upside, it means he is vulnerable to neither of his opposition assasins armours, but is vulnerable to the least used dmg type in the game, just shows the guy is incredibly biassed

 

[Aussie-]

I believe you loch, really.

 

[scarffs]

Originally posted by ironhand
Go read up about Presense Nodes and Stealth Lore. Make your own conclusion.

Indeed, stealthers gimped, not a nerf to infils nd mincers but to all stealthers.
Guess who's still waay on top of the food chain for stealthers ?

 

[Derric]

Hmm,think I was pretty much right.

 

[Tafador]

PN a nerf for stealthers wtf are you speaking about , stealth lore maybe but no PN ,at the current version in US isnt as good as the first days