Save the silver!

[Turamber]

Just a general, quick question. Why do so many of us port to Emain for a scrap when the enemy is taking our own keeps?

Last night was a good case in point. Middies going through our keeps like a knife through butter, yet the number of people in Emain was rising steadily.

Doing a /who pennine you may have been excused for thinking the 30 odd Albs there were defending ... funnily enough it turned out they were doing an epic quest. When they finished there did they go to defend.... nope, they ported to Emain to.

I know I've been just as guilty as others of doing that in the past, but it is kinda daft don't you think? Save the silver and fight the enemy in our own frontiers. To do otherwise just invites more of the enemy to port in, and creates the very real danger of a relic raid.

/rant mode over

 

[vermillon]

hmmm

You got a point there Turamber.

But is better to let our foes that they will not find nothinkg more than boring door bashing to our frontier. We can go take our keeps bad after anyway.

Imagin your self to travel every time to Hadrians in order to have some rvr action, jusrt like the poor Hibs are, traveling from Gorge to Emain every time they get ganged.

 

[Addlcove]

how can that be a ba thing? if you get main RvR area moved to HW hibbie relics would be much easiere to get + albs much harder, make an effort people, buy albionian

 

[sru]

If it was a serious relic raid, there would be a defense. Otherwise we would be running like headless chickens all over the pennines all evening.

Keeps are easy to take and bloody difficult to defend once a take in underway.

And why bother? There were not enough mibs in the frontier for a serious relic attempt. Sitting in a keep for the 10% chance a small band of mids will come is not most peoples idea of fun.

Now, if it was 50 mids, Pennines would be fuller than Emain on a saturday afternoon!

 

[Turamber]

As regards last nights raid, Sru, I didn't see any intelligence on the number of Mids around. But my initial comments stand -- if we just let them take our keeps we know from past experience what that can and will lead to.

Keep taking is dull, sure, and that's probably why we see the same faces attending retakes week-in and week-out. As for defending against the enemy - no it's not a pointless exercise, and it can be very exciting also, with lots of realm points awarded - particularly to caster classes who can hurt the enemy from the battlements.

Besides, if there was only a small group of Mids in our frontier last night why not just take a couple of speed buffed groups - hunt them down and kill them like the dogs they are

 

[old.Hellskor]

Let me see, how's it called ... Sub-conditionary ? Surely the wrong word.

But have you ever talked to the NPCs in your starter Towns lately ?
Made a Friar on Alb/Excal last night, first thing an NPC told me :
"If you ever get up close to a Norseman, run for your life!"
After a few fights I checked a Tavern...
Barkeeper : "The Midgardian slaughter all and everything in their path"
Guess there're more

 

[sru]

Originally posted by Turamber
As regards last nights raid, Sru, I didn't see any intelligence on the number of Mids around. But my initial comments stand -- if we just let them take our keeps we know from past experience what that can and will lead to.

Keep taking is dull, sure, and that's probably why we see the same faces attending retakes week-in and week-out. As for defending against the enemy - no it's not a pointless exercise, and it can be very exciting also, with lots of realm points awarded - particularly to caster classes who can hurt the enemy from the battlements.

The reports I received said there were 8-14 mids doing this. Not enough to worry about and probably too small to find.

No keeps were claimed - and the likelyhood was they were not defended. Probably a DF raid.

While KT's do their fair share of keep retakes, it gets hard to motivate people to door bashing unless we need DF access Certainly when you see the silly RPs possible in Emain, ppeople naturally migrate there unless there is a major reason to do otherwise.

 

[VidX]

To my fellow Hibs:

Here's how to take all the Albion keeps to prepare for a relic raid: Only use 1 group to take all the keeps, the silly Albs won't bother with defense since they think there is no threat. Then we can zerg the relic keep with the force of 80 Hibs that port in just after the last keep has fallen.

Silly Albs.

 

[sru]

Originally posted by vidx
To my fellow Hibs:

Here's how to take all the Albion keeps to prepare for a relic raid: Only use 1 group to take all the keeps, the silly Albs won't bother with defense since they think there is no threat. Then we can zerg the relic keep with the force of 80 Hibs that port in just after the last keep has fallen.

Silly Albs.

Silly Hib. Take 3 keeps and go away = so what

Take 4 keeps then you will find the frontier full. Mind you, please do try Oh, you have! I remember the rout well.

 

[Hildur]

fun

Isn't it just fun to TRY to defend a keep? silly just letting the mids get it and then get it back when it is a good time, it's part of this to defend the keep I'm going full ice when respec comes, and then I can do some keep defending, just so whussy like to give up a keep.

What is happening in emain that is so much fun? I would think keep defends is a good thing, challange to try to defend it, else this will be the same routine over and over again.


Here by I challange all albs to DEFEND what is ours!

 

[LunarDarkShadow]

Keep taking is dull, sure, and that's probably why we see the same faces attending retakes week-in and week-out.

Yep. I had an opportunity to pan round my camera at the train last night that was plodding round the frontier doing the housekeeping, reclaiming keeps, repairing doors, watching the milegates and generally doing the donkey work while the Emain kiddies farmed their realmpoints. I noticed that the majority of the people there were not from the top-ranking guilds.

Obviously, some people are FAR too important to do their bit in their own frontier.....

No keeps were claimed - and the likelyhood was they were not defended

Actually, one of the keeps had been claimed by Kalevala and there was a small group there to defend. Just correcting a point of fact there....

 

[sru]

Originally posted by LunarDarkShadow
Obviously, some people are FAR too important to do their bit in their own frontier.....

Hmm ... Saturday 3 hours in our frontier chasing hibs/Mids. Afternoon, 1pp for door repairs. Sunday 2 hours in same frontier, found 3 green middies. Oh, and then yes, took a little time to have a potter in Emain (as you did if I recall )

Actually, one of the keeps had been claimed by Kalevala and there was a small group there to defend. Just correcting a point of fact there....

Stand corrected. Will chastise our informants. If I had known, would have been there - always good laugh.

 

[sru]

Re: fun

Originally posted by Erna
I would think keep defends is a good thing, challange to try to defend it, else this will be the same routine over and over again.

Totally agree. Unfortunately it is a fact of life that our/mid frontier sees so little action that you can (and I have) sit in a keep for hours waiting for them to attack.

OOTKT have wasted so many points upgrading keeps to highest level because of "reports" that 40+ mids about to attack. What happened? They were just on a DF raid and had suicided / buggered off to go play with the Princes etc. Whenb we do get to defend it is wonderful.

Unfortunately, emain is where most go for some RvR action. Dc is the most taken/defended keep of all. And, unlike others, I do not have 8-9 hours to spare most evenings. 2 is good for me these days. Spending these precious hours sitting in Hurbury waiting for mids to attack just does not rock my boat. Sorry to sound harsh but I play to have fun and for the pleasure of good company with friends.

However, this does not stop anyone else doing so.

I would _love_ us to have more action in Pennines - sitting waiting for the mages is deathly dull

 

[aethtemplar]

Well I don't think anyone could ever accuse me or OoKT of not being committed to keep takes, re-takes and frontier fighting, so let's clarify about last night. We had a force of about 25 Knights of Albion (Templars and Griffons) trying to complete the blasted shadows epic at the Ellyl when the keeps started to go down. As ever, I gathered information on the size of the threat from scouts around the frontier. The reports indicated a sizeable Mid force, but not sizeable enough to threaten the relics unless they took 5 or 6 of our keeps and we didn't respond. We (Albion) were responding and I was in touch with other Templars who were with the Albion response force.

I took the decision that we would complete the epic, and then go and retake keeps from behind them, starting in Beno, while the rest of the Albion force started from Excalibur. As it happens, both Mids in our frontier and our epic group got wiped out. By the time we were all rezzed, the Mids were gone, and there was a large Albion force already re-taking our keeps. There was no need for our group to go there. So we decided to take out our Ellyl frustrations in Emain. We did this by taking Crauchon and then wiping the Hib zerg in front of Crimmthain.

As the main Templar battle leader, I've always seen it as part of my job to make decisions which attempt to balance competing demands based on an accurate threat assessment. I don't believe it's sensible to stop people XPing or questing or whatever on every occasion that the enemy attacks. General call-ups are better observed if people have confidence that they are necessary. Last night I made the decision to stay, and I'm entirely comfortable with that decision. If the reports had been of a larger Mid army, or another keep had gone down, or there were no Albs responding at Excalibur, I would have taken us there.

 

[LunarDarkShadow]

I did only say SOME people...

Those who do their bit know who they are , and should not feel at all guilty.

The people I was aiming at are the ones that will NEVER turn up to do these mundane clearing up tasks unless there's realm points to be had. The ones who won't do anything for their realm unless there's something in it for them, and they know who they are too.

 

[andrilyn]

Why do mid keeps almost NEVER get taken..?
Ill tell you why, they storm their own frontier as soon as you take 1 keep and they take it back thats why.
Albs are like: oh they have 1 - 2 - 3 keeps of us let them have their fun, once they get 2 more keeps we will move, but then all of a sudden 2 or 3 groups taken all the last keeps whithin seconds of eachother, relic keep is defenceless and with 4 or 5 rams on each door it will be way fast for hibs/mids to take relics.
I really suggest to take your keeps back at the second they have taken them give your realm a strong look, then your keeps wont be attacked much because of the fact if the enemy takes 1 keep they know there will be a reaction of the realm the keep is taken from.
Midgard knows this and they react every keep that is taken from them by forming a zerg and then bash the defenders (or raiders) of that keep (or keeps) down.

Why take a keep when you know they will respond the second you take it ?
For RP farming maybe, but its way hard to do a relic raid when the enemy responds just after the first keep is taken.
This is for both Albs and Hibs, When albs took 6! of our keeps people started to move but then it can already be too late.

 

[old.mattshanes]

That's how we lost the power relics,most people didn't care they was in emain or odins still or maybe down the camelot fish n chip shop.For some reason myddrin doesn't get defended which is sad to see.

 

[sru]

Originally posted by andrilyn
Why do mid keeps almost NEVER get taken..?
Ill tell you why, they storm their own frontier as soon as you take 1 keep and they take it back thats why.

Err ... I can certainly remember sitting inside their beloved Bled fort for an hour or two with no middies in sight. So not a universal statement 'fraid. Mostly, no one bothers going there except when totally bored of emain.

 

[old.Atrox]

The idea of stroming out and retake your keep the very second after it's fallen to an enemy realm are good, thou it will not work.
the first 4 or 5 keeps would work, after that they will learn that Albs rush the keeps instantly, then they will start farming us.
best way to handle keep raids in you own backyard is to send out scouts gather info about numbers and movements, get a few groups ready, if there is a threat to the Relic, call in backup.
If it's simply a farming attempt, leave it., but keep them scouted.

and an other simple solution, get some scouts to HW

 

[krait]

Originally posted by old.Atrox

and an other simple solution, get some scouts to HW

More RP farming for SBs then.

 

[Ezeine]

It's just the alb attitude.
Albs like to pointlessly zerg in Emain.
Mids are tired of it so they defend keeps.

Really only way to get ppl taking keeps back is to (try) organize it yourself with your guild or random peeps.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by krait


More RP farming for SBs then.

Use infs to scout.

 

[DocWolfe]

I went to emain, got ganked by the 6 sbs that were camping there. Then keeps started getting taken so I went to excal, then I helped save renaris by upgrading the doors and repairing.

Emain is lame ... especially if you got 6 sbs ganking you, think I might start going to yggdra and just ggank greys, its the only thing I can kill since everyone has pbt o_o

 

[old.mattshanes]

Try being a theurg that has every dam hib/mid on him as soon as he enters emain its a pain in the ass thats why i don't use matt much now i use my merc instead to kick sbs asses like i have done to a few in df

 

[krait]

Originally posted by old.Docwolfe
think I might start going to yggdra and just ggank greys, its the only thing I can kill since everyone has pbt o_o

We can actually kill something ? <gets out map for yggdra>