Savage template

[Tranquil-]

Hiya, I was just wondering what templates are out there? How high should I take Savagery? Is the last H2H style worth it?

 

[Rollie_David]

50 h2h, 42 savagery, rest parry

 

[k9awya]

50 hth
37 savagery
21 parry

innit :>

 

[Aussie-]

yes, k9 is right.

 

[k9awya]

for real.

 

[old.Emma]

parry is useless.. chance of parrying in rvr is so small its not worth speccing... savage`s primary defense is evade so you want that 2nd best or best evade buff.

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by old.Emma
parry is useless.. chance of parrying in rvr is so small its not worth speccing... savage`s primary defense is evade so you want that 2nd best or best evade buff.

yes you get the 2nd best at 37 savagery

and yes parry in rvr sucks if you dont spec it, what do you expect?

just cause you have a primary defense doesnt mean you cant help your secondary, after all you dont need above 37 savagery, take some parry.

 

[old.Xarr]

parry is nice, but taking savagery to 42 gives you 3 new 21% resists to crush, slash and thrust and a new bonus dps ability. and i know i'd rather have that instead of 12 more points into parry...

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by old.Xarr
parry is nice, but taking savagery to 42 gives you 3 new 21% resists to crush, slash and thrust and a new bonus dps ability. and i know i'd rather have that instead of 12 more points into parry...

lol?

youll hardly use the resists, when attacking youll always use haste, when being attacked always evade(and ofc haste)

what do you get.. 4% more resist to melee, thats 20 damage less per hit, on a 500 hit!
un-useful compared to 12pts more in parry.

the dmg bonus, again 4% , like 2 dmg a hit.. /clap (like you would even use this buff imo)

 

[wiiwii]

question: is a axe specced savage out of the question? does h2h have any good rvr styles?

 

[k9awya]

h2h has good positional styles, and a nice evade chain.

2h isnt out of the question, not good as h2h, but using a v slow 2h weap will give your haste alot of efficiency compared to the faster h2h weaps.

you could go axe but im not in love with the styles.

 

[old.anubis]

some peeps take axe to 44, h2h to middle 30s (with bonuses to be 50 - for only reason of multiple hits), rest into savagery
so you are using two cleavers and perform axe line styles, but at the same time you get multiple hits from h2h

 

[old.Emma]

reason i say parry is useless cos well it is.. your chance to parry is decreased depending on the number of targets in your enemies group not the number of targets attacking you. so unless you go around picking solo fights with other solo players.. parry is useless.

my warrior has 52 parry with items/rr and rarely if ever parries in rvr.

not only that you can only parry attacks from the front.. where as our evade is 360 degree`s.

ofcourse you can put the extra in points in parry if you want to.. im not gonna stop you from doing... but you`ll regret it when you realise you dont parry at all in rvr.

and fyi.. when we take our resist buffs into account. and if your doing things right you`ll never get hit for 500 dmg.

wanna know what my resists are for my savage with buffs up.. ?

after penalties from armour

47% crush resist (mid studded neutral to crush)
39% slash resist (mid studded weak to slash)
60% thrust resist (mid studded resistant to thrust)

some hib hits me for 600 dmg ? you can knock 47% of that stright away.

 

[zmurfen]

my savvy

44h2h 49savage rest parry

Having more than h2h and getting the 50 h2h style is worthless, it's never ever used in pvp and to get to or above 50 h2h from 44 is really easy with items anyway.

 

[k9awya]

21 parry, cause its the only thing left to spec, no need at all to spec above 37 savagery

yes, you never get hit for more than 500, so the difference in your buffs and the buffs @ 37 savagery arent going to be noticed.. like 5 damage more resisted wow, variance plays a bigger part.

you can spec better buffs if you like, but they make as much difference as mythics variance code, oh yeah they use more hps too

parry worked fine for me, v sorry if your char doesnt.

 

[k9awya]

Re: my savvy

Originally posted by zmurfen
44h2h 49savage rest parry

Having more than h2h and getting the 50 h2h style is worthless, it's never ever used in pvp and to get to or above 50 h2h from 44 is really easy with items anyway.

more h2h = more chance to 2-3-4 hit etc

 

[Sol-]

what k9 said.

 

[Gekul]

I ever get my savage to 50 he'll have 50 h2h Only wish I'd picked a better name for him Oh well, too late now.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by k9awya
21 parry, cause its the only thing left to spec, no need at all to spec above 37 savagery

yes, you never get hit for more than 500, so the difference in your buffs and the buffs @ 37 savagery arent going to be noticed.. like 5 damage more resisted wow, variance plays a bigger part.

you can spec better buffs if you like, but they make as much difference as mythics variance code, oh yeah they use more hps too

parry worked fine for me, v sorry if your char doesnt.

+ if you parry jsut 1 extra polearm swing or smth from the extra parry thats more than the resist buffs would ever save u in an rvr fight.

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by ab_fluid


+ if you parry jsut 1 extra polearm swing or smth from the extra parry thats more than the resist buffs would ever save u in an rvr fight.

good luck parry`n the polearm seeing as parry gets a 50% penalty to 2h weaps

and fyi the main reason people spec h2h to 50 is not for the styles or slight boast in dmg.. its the weaponskill.

h2h already suffers from a 11% weaponskill decrease over going 50 hammer/axe etc on a savage. and weaponskill is everything if you want a chance at going toe to toe with any tank class in rvr.. low weapon skill means you will get blocked/parried/evaded more often.

Just so you know.. 39 hammer+11 from items has higher weapon skill than 50+11 h2h

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by old.Emma
Just so you know.. 39 hammer+11 from items has higher weapon skill than 50+11 h2h

buffed or unbuffed?

 

[old.Emma]

Originally posted by katt!


buffed or unbuffed?

unbuffed and buffed

buffed with 39 hammer + 11 from items gives ~1550 WS compair that to my 50+11 h2h savage when fully buffed 300 str/307 dex she only has ~1450 WS

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by old.Emma


unbuffed and buffed

buffed with 39 hammer + 11 from items gives ~1550 WS compair that to my 50+11 h2h savage when fully buffed 300 str/307 dex she only has ~1450 WS

and where have you gotten those 39+11 numbers from?

not yourself i guess.

 

[mirak_naijmi]

I think she was just making an example with numbers that are logic and relevant actually...

 

[Driwen]

but if the person with the hammer is from an other class than the numbers have no real meaning as other classes gain wpnskills at different speeds . At least if we dont know which class its from we cant take it into account.
And if a savage with 39+11 hammer got more wpnskill than a savage with 50+11 HtH, than imo mythic made a great error . Besides hammer using only str and HtH using dex/str and usually the dex of a savage is higher than his str. So his wpnskill should be higher in HtH than in hammer in any time, atleast i hope so

 

[Gekul]

It's true . I read on the VN savage boards that 39+11 in axe/hammer/sword has higher wepskill than 50+11. I believe they lowered the wepskill on some of the new combat types because they could be overpowered if they were the same level.

 

[ethiraseth]

believe they gave savages lower weaponskill to balance the fact they can hit up to 4 times at once. think its overpowered if you can hit as much as the other tanks ánd can hit up to 3 times more.

 

[SevenSins]

44 Savage here, 35 h2h 42 Savagery and 9 parry, going for 50 h2h 42 savagery and 9 parry, and boy do I kick ass, in pve anyway

Buffed, and using self attack speed buff, I'm close to hitting the 1.5s cap on swing speed with 3.2s weapons (don't like real calculation, but guessing, yeah, almost 1.5s )

I'm also a troll savage, I love how people try to proove me trolls are crap untill they hear my dex/str is almost equal around 172 str/168 dex something, without SCd armor whatsoever, can't be arsed to do that yet friend still figuring price for MP studded ;P

I think with (33aug) buffs i have around 260 str and 250 dex.

Enough about being a troll, I think the best spec for rvr is 50 h2h and 42 savagery 9 parry because parry, as prooven, is shit in RvR anyways.

The 42 Savagery gives 21% all melee resists, 2nd best evade/parry/dps buffs (dps buff is godly at higher level btw)

The resist shouts are a true gift aswell, in a group roaming into another FG click the buffs et voila, you survive longer

I had a discussion with someone who didn't bring savagery so high because the buffs drained so much HP he said, but I figured if you go RvR you wouldn't be good without a healer/shamen anyway, so it isn't a real big problem imho. Unless you engage with all your buffs active and loose half your Hp when the buffs cancel all of a sudden, but I recon you don't know how to play a savage then

50 h2h just because of the damage, the 50 style is a 3rd chain after you evaded, evade styled, evade followup styled, then the 50 style, which is a 4 target PBAOE hit, and so claimed has uber damage at no endurance cost whatsoever.

Sure, usefull in PvE, and if LUCKY, in RvR, 3 chain styles usually proove to be useless in RvR unless it chains of a anytime/front pos starter.

About the 2h Savages, I've seen one I think from Nolby Pride (Duvan?) was orange, and insta killed, or 2 shotted, didn't see well a Stinger in spindel, and on my screen it said he had attacked twice in 1 swing (like the savage h2h triple/quad hits), so I think the 2h spec is because you can do super high damage in just 1 swing? I wouldn't know, but that seems the most acceptable explanation anyway

Hope it helps

 

[old.Sko]

i often hit with my rib separation on infi. so i dont think i`ll hit less with 3 style evade chain on savage.

 

[SevenSins]

Originally posted by old.Sko
i often hit with my rib separation on infi. so i dont think i`ll hit less with 3 style evade chain on savage.

Well seeing as I tried my 3 chain parry in some Duels, I've had misses on the 3rd hit, fumbles on the 2nd, and the infamous "Target is not in view!" on the last 2 of them, I can't really render it that super, which as a level 50 style it's supposed to be... imho

But then they'd have to fix all the weapons