Savage Spec

TrezDK

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What is the best race and spec to use on a savage???

Was thinking a troll with +15 dex and +10 quick initially.

Spec either 44 H2H/49 Sav rest parry or 50 H2H/39 Sav rest parry.
 

Chronictank

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valk is better imo
your dmg is based on str and dex, not one alone. The majority of your dmg is also from the fact you hit bloody fast, natural resists pwn to make templates easier.

Just my 2 cents
 

Olgaline

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having played both specs, i can say it's really a personal choice/play-style issue.
both specs have pro's and cons, 44/49 high/fast damage but also high health costs...50/xx deasent spd/dmg, lower costs, higher dual/tripple hit rate...
also played 50/42 for a while wich i clearly prefered to the 50/39 due to the last self end at 41

as for race ? race dosent really play such a great roll anymore tbh, go by prefrance, back then i went female dwarf, why ? well no one els had :p and done just fine with her, given a choice today tho i'd prob go with a kobbie or norse, norse always being the "safe" bet
 

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Troll, but dex debuffs will hurt. 135 dex+str vs 120 dex+str on kobb/norse. 44/49 is the spec to go if you're grouping. Havn't given it much thought about a solo spec but I'd probably still go 49/44 since it's higher damage.
 

Osri

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44 weapon, 49 sav, rest parry...

Either Troll or Kibbi. Troll can go 2h or hth with no problem, my preference is troll.
 

gillan

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Would go either norse or kobbie, tanks are getting targetted more and more in grps now. The extra dex and qui helps alot in evades and damage difference isnt very great between the races. 44 hth 49 savagery to cap melee speed with 2x4+ speed claws.

Troll: 100 dex + 35 str /2 = 67.5 damage modifier
Dwarf: 60+50/2 = 55
Norse: 70+50/2 = 60
Kobbah: 50+70/2 = 60

Troll is the best alternative if it wasent for qui and thereby swingspeed: Troll starts with 35 quickness, dwarf and norse 50 and kobbah 70.

Remember that dex and qui also determines evade rate and if you are targetted by the enemies, together with savages self evade buff, and their rr5 ability they are damned hard killing, even when they have 3 tanks on them.
 

jakob

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With a kobold, you will get more than 150 quick buffed, which means you are wasting points. Factored in with the fact that kobolds have low starting con, and savages dont get con as a rising stat, I would advice against rolling a kobold. And the same goes for valkyn.

The troll will do the most dmg, although it will lack a bit in the dex department meaning a bit fewer evades. With a nice template with 100 str/dex, it wont be much though. Also there is the matter of the troll model being so big, some ppl are saying that its harder to get off the positionals cause you simply cant see what you are hitting.

My choice for a savage would be either troll or norseman, and 44 hth/49 sav, cause it simply does more dmg.

Troll for best dmg.
norseman for slightly better evades (and you will get closer to 250 quick without using qui cap/aug qui).
 

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as so many pointed out for various resons, troll is the choice to go unless you dont like to be big (downside), they have more hitpoints then a kobbi, and better dmg output then the other races... with 10 start qui and 80 in temp as a reasonable amount for example you need augqui2 to reach 243. and that is ok i think...

a little example of a temp (far far far... far away from a "use" template, but atleast a start that needs a bit of tweaking")
but it has atleast the "must have" 101 str, 101 dex, 75~ con, 75~ qui 200~ hits, +11 HtH, 10~ melee dmg/spd and the standard 6~ style and 4.4+4.4 claws. also has SoM and a bit af increasment wich is never wrong to have.

Code:
Config Report

Stats

    Str:    101  Int:    -    Hits:    240
    Con:   77    Pie:    -   Power:    -
    Dex:   101  Cha:   -
    Qui:    80   Emp:   -

Resists

    Body:    23    Energy:    23    Crush:    26
    Cold:    22    Matter:    15 (5)    Thrust:    28 (2)
    Heat:    21    Spirit:    17    Slash:    28 (3)

Skills

11 Hand To Hand

3 Parry

Focus

Cap Increases

26 Dex

40 Hits

24 AF

26 Str

5 Qui

5 Con

Other Bonuses

9 Melee Damage Bonus

10 Melee Speed Bonus

6 Style Damage Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Guard of Valor
Level: 51  Quality: 94
AF:   Bonus: 
Effect 1:  40 Hits
Effect 2:  18 Strength
Effect 3:  15 Dexterity
Effect 4:   5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 5:   5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6:   4 Style Damage Bonus
Effect 7:   4 Melee Damage Bonus
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Name: Cinder Tainted Sleeves 
Level: 51  Quality: 94
AF:        Bonus: 
Effect 1:  22 Dexterity
Effect 2:   2 All Melee Skill Bonus
Effect 3:  16 Quickness
Effect 4:   6 Crush Resist
Effect 5:   6 Slash Resist
Effect 6:   7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 59.33

Head
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 28 Strength - 99 perfect Fiery Essence
Gem 2:  9 Thrust Resist - 99 polished Airy Shielding
Gem 3:  5 Slash Resist - 99 flawed Watery Shielding
Gem 4:  7 Energy Resist - 99 imperfect Light Shielding
Utility: 60.67

Legs
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1:  7 Energy Resist - 99 imperfect Light Shielding
Gem 2:  7 Thrust Resist - 99 imperfect Airy Shielding
Gem 3: 28 Constitution - 99 perfect Earthen Essence
Gem 4:  7 Cold Resist - 99 imperfect Icy Shielding
Utility: 60.67

Hands
Name: Maddening Scalars 
Level: 51  Quality: 94
AF:        Bonus: 
Effect 1:  40 Hits
Effect 2:  15 Quickness
Effect 3:  15 Constitution
Effect 4:   3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5:   3 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 6:   5 Quickness Cap Increase
Effect 7:   5 Constitution Cap Increase
Utility: 30.00

Feet
Imbue Points: 36.0 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1:  9 Energy Resist - 99 polished Light Shielding
Gem 2:  5 Slash Resist - 99 flawed Watery Shielding
Gem 3:  5 Cold Resist - 99 flawed Icy Shielding
Gem 4: 11 Spirit Resist - 99 faceted Vapor Shielding
Utility: 60.00

Right Hand
Name: Arcanium Salamander Tail 
Level: 51  Quality: 94
DPS:       Bonus: 
Effect 1:  22 Dexterity
Effect 2:  22 Quickness
Effect 3:   4 Hand To Hand
Effect 4:   7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 49.33

Left Hand
Name: Arcanium Salamander Tail 
Level: 51  Quality: 94
DPS:       Bonus: 
Effect 1:  22 Dexterity
Effect 2:  22 Quickness
Effect 3:   4 Hand To Hand
Effect 4:   7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 49.33

Neck
Name: Beaded Resisting Stones 
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:  10 Crush Resist
Effect 2:  10 Thrust Resist
Effect 3:  10 Cold Resist
Effect 4:  10 Body Resist
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mist
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   3 Parry
Effect 2:  15 Strength
Effect 3:  15 Quickness
Effect 4:  10 AF Cap Increase
Effect 5:   5 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name: Gem of Lost Memories 
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:  10 Constitution
Effect 2:  24 Hits
Effect 3:   4 Matter Resist
Effect 4:   4 Body Resist
Effect 5:   2 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 6:   2 Style Damage Bonus
Utility: 28.67

Belt
Name: Hord's Braided Belt 
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   9 Body Resist
Effect 2:   9 Heat Resist
Effect 3:   9 Slash Resist
Effect 4:  24 Dexterity
Utility: 70.00

Right Ring
Name: Ring of Heavens 
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:  24 Constitution
Effect 2:  40 Hits
Effect 3:   6 Spirit Resist
Effect 4:  10 Strength Cap Increase
Utility: 38.00

Left Ring
Name: Villianous Darkspire Mighty Ring
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:  18 Strength
Effect 2:   6 Crush Resist
Effect 3:   6 Heat Resist
Effect 4:  40 Hits
Effect 5:   6 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 6:   4 AF Cap Increase
Utility: 46.00

Right Wrist
Name: Naxos Abalone Bracer
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:  48 Hits
Effect 2:  22 Strength
Effect 3:   2 All Melee Skill Bonus
Effect 4:   2 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5:   8 Strength Cap Increase
Utility: 36.67

Left Wrist
Name: Zahur's Bracer
Level: 51  Quality: 
Bonus:   
Effect 1:   6 Crush Resist
Effect 2:   6 Heat Resist
Effect 3:   6 Matter Resist
Effect 4:  60 Hits
Effect 5:  10 AF Cap Increase
Effect 6:  40 Hits Cap Increase
Utility: 51.00
 

Strega

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You posted this a long time ago Roteca, best I've seen so far^^ :)

Config Report

Stats
Str: 101
Con: 87
Dex: 101
Qui: 83
Hits: 200

Resists
Body: 26 Energy: 24 Crush: 27
Cold: 27 Matter: 4 Thrust: 27
Heat: 25 Spirit: 24 Slash: 29

Skills
11 Hand To Hand
3 Parry

Cap Increases
26 Str
26 Dex
12 Con
12 Qui

Other Bonuses
10 AF Bonus
4 Style Damage Bonus
10 Melee Damage Bonus
10 Melee Speed Bonus

Piece Listing

Chest
Name: Guard of Valor
Effect 1: 18 Strength
Effect 2: 40 Hits
Effect 3: 15 Dexterity
Effect 4: 5 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 5: 5 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 6: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 7: 4 Style Damage Bonus
Utility: 32.00

Arms
Name: Arcanium Cinder Tainted Sleeves
Effect 1: 22 Dexterity
Effect 2: 16 Quickness
Effect 3: 6 Crush Resist
Effect 4: 6 Slash Resist
Effect 5: 2 Hand To Hand
Effect 6: 7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 59.33

Head
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 38%
Gem 1: 25 Constitution - 99 flawless Earthen Essence
Gem 2: 52 Hits - 99 faceted Blood Essence
Gem 3: 7 Heat Resist - 99 imperfect Heated Shielding
Gem 4: 9 Energy Resist - 99 polished Light Shielding
Utility: 61.67

Legs
Imbue Points: 36.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1: 7 Strength - 99 rough Fiery Essence
Gem 2: 11 Energy Resist - 99 faceted Light Shielding
Gem 3: 11 Spirit Resist - 99 faceted Vapor Shielding
Gem 4: 5 Heat Resist - 99 flawed Heated Shielding
Utility: 58.67

Hands
Name: Maddening Scalars
Effect 1: 40 Hits
Effect 2: 15 Constitution
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Effect 5: 3 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 6: 5 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 7: 5 Quickness Cap Increase
Utility: 30.00

Feet
Imbue Points: 36.5 of 32 (100 Qual) Overcharge: 58%
Gem 1: 9 Heat Resist - 99 polished Heated Shielding
Gem 2: 7 Thrust Resist - 99 imperfect Airy Shielding
Gem 3: 19 Dexterity - 99 faceted Vapor Essence
Gem 4: 9 Spirit Resist - 99 polished Vapor Shielding
Utility: 62.67

Right Hand
Name: Salamander Claw
Effect 1: 24 Dexterity
Effect 2: 22 Quickness
Effect 3: 4 Hand To Hand
Effect 4: 7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 50.67

Left Hand
Name: Snakecharmer
Effect 1: 3 Hand To Hand
Effect 2: 4 Heat Resist
Effect 3: 4 Cold Resist
Effect 4: 4 Energy Resist
Effect 5: 4 Matter Resist
Effect 6: 4 Body Resist
Effect 7: 4 Spirit Resist
Effect 8: 4 Melee Damage Bonus
Effect 9: 3 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 63.00

Neck
Name: Beaded Resisting Stones
Effect 1: 10 Body Resist
Effect 2: 10 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 4: 10 Crush Resist
Utility: 80.00

Cloak
Name: Shades of Mist
Effect 1: 3 Parry
Effect 2: 15 Strength
Effect 3: 15 Quickness
Effect 4: 10 AF Bonus
Effect 5: 5 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 35.00

Jewel
Name: Glacier Jewel
Effect 1: 12 Body Resist
Effect 2: 13 Cold Resist
Effect 3: 13 Slash Resist
Utility: 76.00

Belt
Name: Plaited Hair of Malamis
Effect 1: 18 Strength
Effect 2: 18 Constitution
Effect 3: 7 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 4: 7 Constitution Cap Increase
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 24.00

Right Ring
Name: Ozur's Shadow ring
Effect 1: 30 Constitution
Effect 2: 22 Strength
Effect 3: 22 Dexterity
Effect 4: 15 Quickness
Utility: 59.33

Left Ring
Name: Ring of Torrent
Effect 1: 11 Crush Resist
Effect 2: 10 Thrust Resist
Effect 3: 10 Slash Resist
Utility: 62.00

Right Wrist
Name: Animal Bone Bracer
Effect 1: 7 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 2: 7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Effect 3: 7 Quickness Cap Increase
Utility: 5.00

Left Wrist
Name: Naxos Abalone Bracer sava
Effect 1: 22 Strength
Effect 2: 2 Hand To Hand
Effect 3: 48 Hits
Effect 4: 8 Strength Cap Increase
Effect 5: 2 Melee Speed Bonus
Utility: 36.67
 

Roteca

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Strega said:
You posted this a long time ago Roteca, best I've seen so far^^ :)

ive made so many templates last year that i cant even rmbr nor find them all 8) but yea that one was actually better then the other one yea...
 

Melachi

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Eva said:
Troll, but dex debuffs will hurt. 135 dex+str vs 120 dex+str on kobb/norse. 44/49 is the spec to go if you're grouping. Havn't given it much thought about a solo spec but I'd probably still go 49/44 since it's higher damage.


Troll is the best char for Savage stats wise, and dex buffs will affect a Troll as much as any other savage.

I chose Norse because it has equal damage too Kobold, but looks better imo :p
reason I didnt go Troll was because of positionals and troll being in the way.


Heres a template I made that while not as good as Rotecas, is alot easier to get, assuming Eryins Charm gets done often enough on your server so there is some of the gloves available to buy.

hits arent the greatest, but its got 26str 26dex 10melee speed, 10melee damage, 6style which is nice, and only resist that is low is matter. My quickness as Norse with this template and capped buffs will be 248 which is perfect, and the melee resists look lowish, but factor in racial and GSV resists and its all cool
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Statistics
STR:101/101
CON:73/75
DEX:115/101
QUI:72/82
Hits:172/200
AF:10/50

Resistances
Body: 24
Cold: 24+5
Heat: 24
Energy: 24
Matter: 14
Spirit: 24
Crush: 23
Slash: 34
Thrust: 22

Skills
Parry: 7
Hand to Hand: 11

Bonuses
Style Damage: 6
Melee Damage: 10
Melee Combat Speed: 10

Chest (Golden Scarab Vest):[b]Easy but boring to get[/b]
Imbue: 25.0
15 Dexterity
6% Crush
6% Thrust
6% Slash
4 Style Damage
4 Melee Damage
Utility: 46.0
TOA Utility: 40.0

Arms (Arcanium Cinder Tainted Sleeves):[b]Battler drop, not too rare[/b]
Imbue: 33.0
22 Dexterity
16 Quickness
6% Crush
6% Slash
2 ALL melee weapon skills
7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 59.3
TOA Utility: 14.0

Head:
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
28 Constitution
7% Heat
9% Energy
13 Quickness
Utility: 59.3
TOA Utility: 0.0

Legs:
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
28 Strength
9% Spirit
5% Heat
19 Constitution
Utility: 59.3
TOA Utility: 0.0

Hands (Arcanium Ainigma Gauntlets):[b]Erinys Charm mob drop[/b]
Imbue: 33.0
3 Parry
22 Strength
21 Dexterity
48 Hits
7 Strength Cap Increase
Utility: 55.7
TOA Utility: 14.0

Feet:
Imbue: 37.5/32 (Quality: 100)
16 Constitution
11% Spirit
9% Energy
5% Crush
Utility: 60.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Right Hand (Salamander Claw):[b]Rare drop from Anethmic Sally, but farmable and replaceable with PC claw till you get it[/b]
Imbue: 31.0
24 Dexterity
22 Quickness
4 Hand to Hand
7 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 50.7
TOA Utility: 14.0

Left Hand (Snakecharmers):[b]Easy arti[/b]
Imbue: 28.0
3 Hand to Hand
4% Heat
4% Cold
4% Energy
4% Matter
4% Body
4% Spirit
3 Melee Combat Speed
4 Melee Damage
Utility: 63.0
TOA Utility: 35.0

Neck (Beaded Resisting Stone):[b]Quest Necky[/b]
Imbue: 45.0
10% Body
10% Cold
10% Thrust
10% Slash
Utility: 80.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Cloak (Harpy Feather Cloak):[b]Easy arti, slow leveler, but only needed to lvl 7[/b]
Imbue: 30.0
4 Parry
6% Slash
6% Thrust
6% Crush
5 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 56.0
TOA Utility: 25.0

Jewel (GoLM):[b]Easy but perma camped :P[/b]
Imbue: 18.5
10 Constitution
24 Hits
4% Matter
4% Body
2 Hand to Hand
2 Style Damage
2 Melee Damage
Utility: 38.7
TOA Utility: 20.0

Belt (Belt of the Brute):[b]Usualy loads on CM[/b]
Imbue: 32.0
30 Strength
18 Dexterity
48 Hits
6 Strength Cap Increase
2 Melee Combat Speed
Utility: 44.0
TOA Utility: 22.0

Left Ring (Krojer Str Ring):[b]ML1.5 solo step reward[/b]
Imbue: 17.0
21 Strength
2% Energy
2% Cold
2% Heat
10 AF
6 Strength Cap Increase
Utility: 26.0
TOA Utility: 22.0

Right Ring (Spellbound Indigo Ring):[b]Cata merchant purchasable item[/b]
Imbue: 24.0
6 Dexterity Cap Increase
32 Hits
2% Cold
21 Quickness
15 Dexterity
6 Dexterity Cap Increase
Utility: 36.0
TOA Utility: 24.0

Left Wrist (Animal Bone Bracelet):[b]TOA Quest Bracer[/b]
Imbue: 5.0
7 Strength Cap Increase
7 Dexterity Cap Increase
7 Quickness Cap Increase
20 Hits
Utility: 5.0
TOA Utility: 42.0

Right Wrist (Ebon Hide):[b]TOA Quest Bracer[/b]
Imbue: 30.0
6% Cold
6% Body
6% Heat
6% Slash
6% Matter
Utility: 60.0
TOA Utility: 0.0
 

Olgaline

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to bad they nerfed savie wolf form ;) that was such good fun
still dont think the small advantage stat wise from going troll makes up for the size issue, but as i said at the begining thats a question of personal prefrence,
 

Carnalito

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Troll best race imo.. The low qui doesnt really matter since u will cap attackspeed easily with celerity + own haste anyway (And im talking about the yellow one), so my advice would be the template with 2 x sally claws, and 50 Hth 42 savagery ..

49 Savagery is for 2h spec imho.
 

ruudoniac

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about race go troll(bit better stats) or valkyn(+racial resists and easier template)

for specc try 50hth/42sav until rr5 or so cuz of the (nerfed :twak: ) low weapon skill , and then respec to 44/39 so get more dmg and the (nerfed :twak: ) heavy life cost self buffs
 

Lethul

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imo kobold for every class that can roll kobold!

and 44/49 :)
 

Osri

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Lethul said:
boob size isnt everything you know, you have to considere the entire package :twak:

But gives good first impression :)
 

Nul

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All talk about H2H. What about 2H?
My next char will prolly be a bers or sav, but I want to try 2H.
Tested 2H bers on Gorre, and there was very few that beat me in
duels at least. Never got a chance to test 2H sav tho.
 

Exarkun

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Nul said:
All talk about H2H. What about 2H?
My next char will prolly be a bers or sav, but I want to try 2H.
Tested 2H bers on Gorre, and there was very few that beat me in
duels at least. Never got a chance to test 2H sav tho.

hth has lots of utility and very nice growth rates on ths styles.
 

Nul

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Exarkun said:
hth has lots of utility and very nice growth rates on ths styles.

Ok. Thx for the reply/advice. Its just that I heard its supposed to be almost
as good as H2H. Have a 2H kobbie in thid now that works nice. I guess I dislike
doing like everyone else. My skald was for a long time 1h until they removed
MoB for Skalds. Even got Agmudors foe hammer (4.6 spd) for him. :)

Guess I will have a try to 40 at least. :)
 

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If H2H then Kobby and spec 44 H2H/49 Sav/Parry
If 2H then Troll and spec 44 2H/49 Sav/Parry

If I was going 2-Handed I'd probably go Hammer for access to Malice/Battler and also the rear-snare on the assist train. With 250 quick, 10% Melee Speed, Haste and Celerity, can probably swing 2H Malice around 1.6s (I cba to work it out properly).

H2H Kobby would want 10str/con/qui at creation.
2H Twoll would want 10str/15qui at creation.

YMMV
 

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