Saddam asked Bush for $1bn to go into exile

[Lamp]

LOL @ the experts here. You should get jobs working for the CIA

 

[Gorbachioo]

Lamp...... you're just not that funny


If you dont have anything intelligent (or funny) to say, then get lost. :kissit:

 

[Blackjack]

lol yeah, starting wars and being responsible for more deaths then saddam ever was is ALWAYS better.

and then we also have the financial COST of said war, how many hundreds of billions are they up on now?

and Seel, saddam was never a terrorist, a dictator yes, a terrorist no

but then again, USA (and many other countries) use the word terrorist on anyone that isn't agreeing with them.

Dude, removing Saddam alone would have made next to no difference at all.
The war would have started even if Saddam had not been there. If you read what a actually said, i said a billion would have been a small price to pay to stop the war. However, the bad in Iraq was not limited to Saddam. And the war would have gone ahead anyway. Saddam was just the appitomy of all the wrong we saw in Iraq. That is why there is so much focus on him alone.

And that is not true, they never called the french and germans terrorists.

 

[soze]

If Saddam ever intended to get wmds/attack the west in some way then he would have done it while in power.

What can you do with 1 billion? Other than live a very very good life somewhere.


My point is. If he had gone to exile he would have been harmless. Yes 1 billion is alot of money but if you start a war with that against the most powerful nation in the world you will just get yourself killed.



Im not saying that this would have been a magical cure for everything. Ofcourse there would still be problems, but things would be ALOT better than what they are now. And i dont think anyone can say that they wouldnt be.

OK he could have taken information on how to build a dirty bomb then bribed a russian millitary officer to sell him nuke material for $100mil then made that dirty bomb and blown up London Washington Paris anywhere really.

Or he could have take that $1bil and given it and the Information to Bin Laden then they could have got nukes chemical weapons what ever and caused damage.

You can do a hell of a lot more than have a good life with a billon dollars. And i believe it would be easier for him to slip under the radar and acomplish this with that money and not being the ruler or a very watched country.

 

[Jeremiah]

Lamp...... you're just not that funny

Lamp is indeed funny. Maybe not always 'ha ha' funny, maybe sometimes 'hmm' funny, but funny none the less!

 

[Gorbachioo]

OK he could have taken information on how to build a dirty bomb then bribed a russian millitary officer to sell him nuke material for $100mil then made that dirty bomb and blown up London Washington Paris anywhere really.

Or he could have take that $1bil and given it and the Information to Bin Laden then they could have got nukes chemical weapons what ever and caused damage.

You can do a hell of a lot more than have a good life with a billon dollars. And i believe it would be easier for him to slip under the radar and acomplish this with that money and not being the ruler or a very watched country.

Has there ever actually been a proven connection between Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein?


And if all you needed for that was money then the things you listed would have happened already.

Also, would he even have a motive for a random act of terror against the west? Other than revenge. Doubt that he would be willing to give up a well funded retirement for that ;>

 

[soze]

Has there ever actually been a proven connection between Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein?


And if all you needed for that was money then the things you listed would have happened already.

Also, would he even have a motive for a random act of terror against the west? Other than revenge. Doubt that he would be willing to give up a well funded retirement for that ;>

This is a argument i can't and you can't win he did make threats to the West like bin laden and he did develop and use chemical weapons. I would not have trusted him for a second with a billion dollars.

If you would you think alot more of a man who tested chemical weapons on his own people than i do. Like Blaire dropping MX gas on Manchester then asking for a billion dollars to retire with.

 

[Gorbachioo]

This is a argument i can't and you can't win he did make threats to the West like bin laden and he did develop and use chemical weapons. I would not have trusted him for a second with a billion dollars.

If you would you think alot more of a man who tested chemical weapons on his own people than i do. Like Blaire dropping MX gas on Manchester then asking for a billion dollars to retire with.

The point is, you cant do shit with just money. If you could, then someone would have already. Im sure Al Qaida could raise that much money.

Also, i dont see why he would have done a terrorist attack. (not that it matters because he would have been as harmless as anyone else with a billion dollars ;O)

 

[Thadius]

The point is, you cant do shit with just money. If you could, then someone would have already. Im sure Al Qaida could raise that much money.

Also, i dont see why he would have done a terrorist attack. (not that it matters because he would have been as harmless as anyone else with a billion dollars ;O)

Bullshit, you use your money to buy mercenaries

 

[Thadius]

. Like Blaire dropping MX gas on Manchester

No real loss there!

 

[soze]

Also, i dont see why he would have done a terrorist attack. (not that it matters because he would have been as harmless as anyone else with a billion dollars ;O)

He dropped Chemical weapons on his own people the guy has previous how can you rule out his doing something stupid with the money?

No real loss there!

Would depend on which way the wind was blowing

 

[Gorbachioo]

He dropped Chemical weapons on his own people the guy has previous how can you rule out his doing something stupid with the money?


Would depend on which way the wind was blowing

Because hes not stupid, hes not a religious fanatic. He is after his own good. And attacking the US with some random terrorist attack is not in his best interest.

AND IT DOESNT MATTER. Having 1 billion dollars does not make you a real threat to the west and you know it.


Thadius: What the hell would he do with mercenaries? ;o invade US?

 

[soze]

Because hes not stupid, hes not a religious fanatic. He is after his own good. And attacking the US with some random terrorist attack is not in his best interest.

AND IT DOESNT MATTER. Having 1 billion dollars does not make you a real threat to the west and you know it.


Thadius: What the hell would he do with mercenaries? ;o invade US?

Wow this is pointless you think a Dictator who killed his own people and supported Jihad on the west would take $1bn dollars and just live his life out. And you also thing he wanted all the information about WMDs with him to do what? Did he like the pictures or maybe he wanted to sell that Information to Iran or Korea so they can make better WMDs.

And no i do not know it i think giving the wrong people 1bil would make a very real threat to the west.

 

[Marc]

Shows what a spineless maggot he really was. For all his bravado about how he would crush the west he tries to bribe dubya to save his own ass.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

If you think Bush got more people killed than Saddam you need your heads checked.

 

[Tasslehoff]

The point is, you cant do shit with just money. If you could, then someone would have already. Im sure Al Qaida could raise that much money.

One flaw in that reasoning, Al Qaeda have done a thing or two..

 

[aika]

Middle East countries and democracy? Think Israel is the only democracy in the middle east, and judging from all the interal strife in iraq between the various religious groups, curds etc, the guy who thought that Iraq would be a peaceful democracy after Saddam would vanish needs to buy a clue.

 

[soze]

One flaw in that reasoning, Al Qaeda have done a thing or two..

The other flaw is raising $1bn is not east no one wants to give them that cash and link them selves. And you do not move a billion dollars anywhere without the security forces knowing about it.

 

[Chronictank]

Middle East countries and democracy?

lol you make a sweeping statement like that and tell others to get a clue when evidently you have none yourself?

There are 19 countries in the middle east, 10 of which have democratic elections

Algeria, since 1989 when first multiparty elections were held. 99 there were fraud allegations but in 2004 Bouteflika was re-elected in what was dubbed a fair election
Bahrain, 2001 went from an emirate (monarchy) to constitutional monarchy
Egypt, since 2005 but US claims there electorate system is unfair
Iran is a democracy, although US and other nations dont like the people who were voted in
Iraq, via UN mandate
Israel, since the state was created
Jordan, a monarchy but in 2005 the king announced that they were going to set up plans for elected councils, this is yet to happen
Kuwait, A monarchy, the monarch chooses the prime minister and members
Lebannon, Is a democracy
Libya, centralised government
Morocco, Monarchy
Oman, Monarchy
Palestinian Territories, Elections in 2005
Qatar, Constitutional monarchy, in 2003 the first woman cabinet minster was elected
Saudi Arabia, Monarchy
Syria, Initial vote is carried out by a referendum, if no winner emerges people vote for who they want
Tunisia,has a democratic system but few oposition parties to exercise the right, has been pressured by the US for reforms since 02
United Arab Emirates, leader is voted in by the main states (supreme council of rulers, who are the emires from the 7 main states)
Yemen, Democratic eelctions since 99


democracy, other

I prolly have some descrepancies as it is late but the point still stands

 

[aika]

Egypt is a democracy? they have the same president for 20+ years, so from your list I see only Yemen, Lebanon and Palestine which is not even an official state yet afaik.

And Lebanon's democracy is very unstable, basically its a state controlled by the Hezbollah and Syria.

No offense meant, I just cant see how a country without any democratic tradition, which is torn apart by domestic conflicts can become a peaceful democracy all of a sudden.

 

[Chronictank]

Egypt is a democracy? they have the same president for 20+ years

Irrelevant really, in theory a political party can be in power indefinitely if people keep voting for them in the UK let alone abroad

, so from your list I see only Yemen, Lebanon and Palestine which is not even an official state yet afaik.

Palestinian territories are a UN recognised state as far as i know, i may be wrong

And Lebanon's democracy is very unstable, basically its a state controlled by the Hezbollah and Syria.

Doesnt deviate from the fact that it is a democracy, there is more than 1 party who runs for power. Just because you dont agree with the winner doesnt deviate from the fact that by definition it is a democracy (i.e. a country that holds multi-party elections)

No offense meant, I just cant see how a country without any democratic tradition, which is torn apart by domestic conflicts can become a peaceful democracy all of a sudden.

no-one in this thread claimed that as far as i can see, they said it would have been a much cleaner and lower death toll event if sadaam had abdicated.
There would room for a far more graceful exit and introduction to democracy

I personally believe that we had no right to go into there in the first place, because i believe every country has natural progression. When they are ready for democracy they would have got their on their own, it is very evident from todays situation that they were far from ready.
And to pre-emtively answer the question, yes i would have left sadaam or any other dictator in power because at the end of the day, again illustrated by Iraq it may be the easy option but that is how they believed it was best to keep order in their country. If enough people are unhappy there would be a revolution. Just my 2 cents

 

[Golena]

Sort of surprised that no-one has mentioned this yet, maybe they did and I just missed it tho.

How do you think you actually become dictator of a country?
You've got to have enough people around that believe your the person who should lead, and have the military power to preserve that state.
If the people of Iraq (en masse) didn't want him to rule, then killing him would of been fairly easy..

If he had been given a billion dollars by the States that wouldn't of changed the people that were loyal to him. He could simply of walked back in a months time, filthy rich, and regained power.

The only real thing that would of happened is that once he was gone there would of been an inevitable power struggle to be the one to replace him, which would probably of cost just as many lives as the war, except no-one would really of cared since they wern't UK or American people dying.

 

[tierk]

Would have certainly been a lot cheaper option. I just wonder how a country (USA) that says they cannot afford to provide universal medical care for their own people can afford to spend these unbelievably large sums of money on a war with no end in sight.

 

[echome]

I am glad he didnt take the money. The war is good. Shows people what fuckups the US is.

And let's hope it turns into a democracy with all the capitalism to follow. Then we will have the perfect setup for a communist society afterwards.

It is the natural way. Dictatorship/feudalism->liberalism->capitalism->revolution->communism.

 

[aika]

yes we all saw how communism succeeded, a thing that defies the human nature and against the laws of evolution

 

[Chronictank]

yes we all saw how communism succeeded, a thing that defies the human nature and against the laws of evolution

indeed, china is one of the strongest economic powers in the world

 

[Heta]

communism is great, if you take the people out of the equation

with people in it... not so good

 

[aika]

indeed, china is one of the strongest economic powers in the world

China is not communistic, same can be said about USSR, it was socialism but not communism, they were on the way there for 70 years and never managed to reach it. Its a good idea in theory which cant be done in practice

 

[tierk]

Errr is this a official hijacking of the thread??