RvR group setup
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Perhaps u want a Pally in there ? or Tanks would run Out of end
witch should result in No styles
Also 2 Cleric´s should be in group imo
any interupt on your only Cleric = no heals = dead player
Perhaps make a classic
2 Merc's
1 Reaver
1 Sorc
1Theurg
2 Cleric's
1 Paladin
Altho speed would be a bit gimped
but could trade Reaver for Mincer
with the setup u would have speed, BG dmg, interupts & Cc
witch should result in No styles
Also 2 Cleric´s should be in group imo
any interupt on your only Cleric = no heals = dead player
Perhaps make a classic
2 Merc's
1 Reaver
1 Sorc
1Theurg
2 Cleric's
1 Paladin
Altho speed would be a bit gimped
but could trade Reaver for Mincer
with the setup u would have speed, BG dmg, interupts & Cc
waok`whips
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Reaver is situational, to reduce this down a little, make the reaver a BM(ML8+), and try get TWF3. I can't express how useful this is when used in combination with BG and Grapple.
Bomb reavers work well every 10 mins if planned well, however shitty groups only die to it, if your fighting a high RR then insta's / spreadheal covers up the damage easily, unless your BL mercs bomb aswell your not gonna kill much, generally its very effective in keep defence but if your running open field 8v8 then I wouldnt say its much use, most people still watch the pre-nerf reaver AVI's where TWF stacked etc, perceptions are high but disapointment follows when you see its not this way anymore, between the downtime of the ML timers and RR5 the reavers limited to what it can do, and you'll find that often if your group has 2 mercs in it, then they will likely be BL anyway, so this takes even more away from the reaver, restricting it to mediocre damage against targets high AOM/Resists, soooo instead of having a class running around with cc problems, with its timers down every 10 mins and a possibility of also being ress sick because your reaver got hit between ml8 and RR5, reduce this by using a BM reaver so if your reaver is rooted all fight, just get your casters to run to him for TWF/BG, cos then some dumb tanks gonna try kill you breaking the root, then just grapple him.
Unfortunately when it comes down to it, your group will only work well with a high rr reaver, with purge2/3 and twf3 for example.. and theres not many of them if any about, so unless you can find a high rr reaver, use a minstrel instead.
If you should have a reaver, theres no other class in albion which can do BG/Grapple/TWF and still interupt, so why not take advantage of it?.
Bomb reavers work well every 10 mins if planned well, however shitty groups only die to it, if your fighting a high RR then insta's / spreadheal covers up the damage easily, unless your BL mercs bomb aswell your not gonna kill much, generally its very effective in keep defence but if your running open field 8v8 then I wouldnt say its much use, most people still watch the pre-nerf reaver AVI's where TWF stacked etc, perceptions are high but disapointment follows when you see its not this way anymore, between the downtime of the ML timers and RR5 the reavers limited to what it can do, and you'll find that often if your group has 2 mercs in it, then they will likely be BL anyway, so this takes even more away from the reaver, restricting it to mediocre damage against targets high AOM/Resists, soooo instead of having a class running around with cc problems, with its timers down every 10 mins and a possibility of also being ress sick because your reaver got hit between ml8 and RR5, reduce this by using a BM reaver so if your reaver is rooted all fight, just get your casters to run to him for TWF/BG, cos then some dumb tanks gonna try kill you breaking the root, then just grapple him.
Unfortunately when it comes down to it, your group will only work well with a high rr reaver, with purge2/3 and twf3 for example.. and theres not many of them if any about, so unless you can find a high rr reaver, use a minstrel instead.
If you should have a reaver, theres no other class in albion which can do BG/Grapple/TWF and still interupt, so why not take advantage of it?.
Konah
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Baldrian said:
gl finding a rej friar! if u did tho and both friar and reaver were BG and the cleric a superstar healer, then it might do just fine.
u miss some cleric goodies (PR/Instas/BoF etc) but gain good resists. lack of a pally isnt rly an issue with end pots, ye pally end is better than pots, but u can manage with just pots.
Eregion
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2 clerics
1 sorc
1 theurg
1 caba
2 mercs
paladin/friar
playing without end is really a pain imo, and not just for the tanks, since the casters in your grp won't be able to kite the enemy tanks either.
having that said, playing without resists is a real pain aswell, but not that many heavy caster grps out today, and imo a caster is easier to stop then a tank nowadays due to all sorts of interupts this game has.
just my 2 cents
1 sorc
1 theurg
1 caba
2 mercs
paladin/friar
playing without end is really a pain imo, and not just for the tanks, since the casters in your grp won't be able to kite the enemy tanks either.
having that said, playing without resists is a real pain aswell, but not that many heavy caster grps out today, and imo a caster is easier to stop then a tank nowadays due to all sorts of interupts this game has.
just my 2 cents
aberr
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2 clerics (resists and healing)
1 friar (wud get allmost all resists alot higher, and bg)
1 pala (end / bg / guard bot)
1 merc (interrupt)
1 sorc (cc)
1 theu (eb/haste is too important imho and petspam)
1 mincer (stunbot and sexy speed + demezz)
this seems pretty classic tho.. but ideal setup for roaming grps imo
1 friar (wud get allmost all resists alot higher, and bg)
1 pala (end / bg / guard bot)
1 merc (interrupt)
1 sorc (cc)
1 theu (eb/haste is too important imho and petspam)
1 mincer (stunbot and sexy speed + demezz)
this seems pretty classic tho.. but ideal setup for roaming grps imo
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aberr said:2 clerics (resists and healing)
1 friar (wud get allmost all resists alot higher, and bg)
1 pala (end / bg / guard bot)
1 merc (interrupt)
1 sorc (cc)
1 theu (eb/haste is too important imho and petspam)
1 mincer (stunbot and sexy speed + demezz)
this seems pretty classic tho.. but ideal setup for roaming grps imo
who will do the killing?
Merc
Merc
Reaver
Friar
Cleric
Cleric
Sorc
Cabby
would be my suggestion for an all-round group - assuming they are not all
already high RR.
Reaver gives plenty of punch vs low/mid RR groups, and imho not an
inconsiderable problem to high RR groups. TWF + DD aura + Tendrils can
give even the top casters serious issues.
Friar if played well can be SO useful, great BG and red resists to all the
key dmg types, Static Tempest is very useful as well for keeping those
peksy casters where you want them.
Cabby - imho the most underrated caster class on Alb, so much utility and
hits like a brick. ML9 pet, nearsight and the best AE interrupts on Alb.
Sorc - very underpowered and in need of love
, but AE mezz, demezz,
AE root, speed and strong nukes as well as ML9 pet makes him a useful
addition, if somewhat gimpy compared to the baseline stun hibs and insta
kill mids.
Mercs - hit stuff. very hard.
Merc
Reaver
Friar
Cleric
Cleric
Sorc
Cabby
would be my suggestion for an all-round group - assuming they are not all
already high RR.
Reaver gives plenty of punch vs low/mid RR groups, and imho not an
inconsiderable problem to high RR groups. TWF + DD aura + Tendrils can
give even the top casters serious issues.
Friar if played well can be SO useful, great BG and red resists to all the
key dmg types, Static Tempest is very useful as well for keeping those
peksy casters where you want them.
Cabby - imho the most underrated caster class on Alb, so much utility and
hits like a brick. ML9 pet, nearsight and the best AE interrupts on Alb.
Sorc - very underpowered and in need of love
, but AE mezz, demezz,AE root, speed and strong nukes as well as ML9 pet makes him a useful
addition, if somewhat gimpy compared to the baseline stun hibs and insta
kill mids.
Mercs - hit stuff. very hard.
dasbuffbot
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8 paladins..... RR5+ for triple heal chant......
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wutae
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well my personal thought was the misunderstanding between caster,
tank and hybrid grps .
If u have a caster based grp .
you cant have a tank it it , cause it will be able to do 0 damage
cause propably it will get grabled . casters cant hold lotsa but even if
one caster has assist train on him and 2 others getting interrupted by
opponents u leave 5 peeps free to cast . so i would suggest sthing like
cleric
cleric
cleric
sorcerer
sorcerer
cabalist
cabalist
theurgist
with that grp u will have extra heals + a person that can have some more
free time to shear ( sthing that albs miss a lot )
2 demezzes . 4 ml 9 pets . 4 damage dealers . 2 mezzes . lotsa interrupt .
stlong pbt as long as theu is needed as earth specc, also all classes except
theu can heal themselves through lifetap etc . i wouldnt suggest a bg bot as long as he is gonna have to protect 7 peeps (nerf) .
if u have a tank based grp
well imoz if u say that u have a tank grp . U gotta have a tank grp .
i would go for .
cleric
cleric
merc
merc
merc
paladin
sorcerer
minstrel
with that grp u have only 1 cloth user . 2 demezzes . sos . am . bg that
90% of times will be on sorc . i would use a theu tbh .. as pets are awesome .
but then its +1 cloth + 1 fast death ( paladins too lazy these days to change
bg from sorc into theu ) j/k .
Anyways theu is a cloth class wich opponents
will target it very fast in an only 2 cloth grp.
and that doesnt have some kind of cc or at least rr5 of sorc + lifetap .
so i would prefer a mins for sos + am + insta interrupt . from a chain user
that has phaseshift ( so he can save himself or sthing ) .
and for last the hybrid grp
well in a grp that claims to be hybrid i would go for some
different types of damage .so i think a setup like that is the best .
merc
merc
cleric
cleric
sorc
caba
friar
theu/wizz/
well this type of settup miss 2 demezzes .
but its kinda survival grp (imoz always)
u have all resists, u have 2 different MAs with good damage .
grp can hold ( i have seen it working dont ask me how but this grp survives
though we didnt have theu/wizz cause i had my mins in the grp )
for lotsa time alive and even if many peeps die fast they can kill . etc .
not that good interrupts but it works . 2 MAs 1. is one merc that has the second to assist .
2. is caba that has sorc and theu / wizz assisting ( not at 100% of the times ) and u have a bg .
i may made some mistakes at my post but u got the idea
ohh well that is what i beleive .
tank and hybrid grps .
If u have a caster based grp .
you cant have a tank it it , cause it will be able to do 0 damage
cause propably it will get grabled . casters cant hold lotsa but even if
one caster has assist train on him and 2 others getting interrupted by
opponents u leave 5 peeps free to cast . so i would suggest sthing like
cleric
cleric
cleric
sorcerer
sorcerer
cabalist
cabalist
theurgist
with that grp u will have extra heals + a person that can have some more
free time to shear ( sthing that albs miss a lot )
2 demezzes . 4 ml 9 pets . 4 damage dealers . 2 mezzes . lotsa interrupt .
stlong pbt as long as theu is needed as earth specc, also all classes except
theu can heal themselves through lifetap etc . i wouldnt suggest a bg bot as long as he is gonna have to protect 7 peeps (nerf) .
if u have a tank based grp
well imoz if u say that u have a tank grp . U gotta have a tank grp .
i would go for .
cleric
cleric
merc
merc
merc
paladin
sorcerer
minstrel
with that grp u have only 1 cloth user . 2 demezzes . sos . am . bg that
90% of times will be on sorc . i would use a theu tbh .. as pets are awesome .
but then its +1 cloth + 1 fast death ( paladins too lazy these days to change
bg from sorc into theu ) j/k .
Anyways theu is a cloth class wich opponents
will target it very fast in an only 2 cloth grp.
and that doesnt have some kind of cc or at least rr5 of sorc + lifetap .
so i would prefer a mins for sos + am + insta interrupt . from a chain user
that has phaseshift ( so he can save himself or sthing ) .
and for last the hybrid grp
well in a grp that claims to be hybrid i would go for some
different types of damage .so i think a setup like that is the best .
merc
merc
cleric
cleric
sorc
caba
friar
theu/wizz/
well this type of settup miss 2 demezzes .
but its kinda survival grp (imoz always)
u have all resists, u have 2 different MAs with good damage .
grp can hold ( i have seen it working dont ask me how but this grp survives
though we didnt have theu/wizz cause i had my mins in the grp )
for lotsa time alive and even if many peeps die fast they can kill . etc .
not that good interrupts but it works . 2 MAs 1. is one merc that has the second to assist .
2. is caba that has sorc and theu / wizz assisting ( not at 100% of the times ) and u have a bg .
i may made some mistakes at my post but u got the idea
ohh well that is what i beleive .
Konah
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erm he didnt ask whats the best setup, he asked if the setup he proposed was/could be any good!
spose its natural it turns into a best grp setup thread tho
good player on good class >>> good player on crap class >>> crap player on good class >>> crap player on crap class
spose its natural it turns into a best grp setup thread tho
good player on good class >>> good player on crap class >>> crap player on good class >>> crap player on crap class
wutae said:well my personal thought was the misunderstanding between caster,
tank and hybrid grps .
If u have a caster based grp .
you cant have a tank it it , cause it will be able to do 0 damage
cause propably it will get grabled . casters cant hold lotsa but even if
one caster has assist train on him and 2 others getting interrupted by
opponents u leave 5 peeps free to cast . so i would suggest sthing like
cleric
cleric
cleric
sorcerer
sorcerer
cabalist
cabalist
theurgist
with that grp u will have extra heals + a person that can have some more
free time to shear ( sthing that albs miss a lot )
2 demezzes . 4 ml 9 pets . 4 damage dealers . 2 mezzes . lotsa interrupt .
stlong pbt as long as theu is needed as earth specc, also all classes except
theu can heal themselves through lifetap etc . i wouldnt suggest a bg bot as long as he is gonna have to protect 7 peeps (nerf) .
if u have a tank based grp
well imoz if u say that u have a tank grp . U gotta have a tank grp .
i would go for .
cleric
cleric
merc
merc
merc
paladin
sorcerer
minstrel
with that grp u have only 1 cloth user . 2 demezzes . sos . am . bg that
90% of times will be on sorc . i would use a theu tbh .. as pets are awesome .
but then its +1 cloth + 1 fast death ( paladins too lazy these days to change
bg from sorc into theu ) j/k .
Anyways theu is a cloth class wich opponents
will target it very fast in an only 2 cloth grp.
and that doesnt have some kind of cc or at least rr5 of sorc + lifetap .
so i would prefer a mins for sos + am + insta interrupt . from a chain user
that has phaseshift ( so he can save himself or sthing ) .
and for last the hybrid grp
well in a grp that claims to be hybrid i would go for some
different types of damage .so i think a setup like that is the best .
merc
merc
cleric
cleric
sorc
caba
friar
theu/wizz/
well this type of settup miss 2 demezzes .
but its kinda survival grp (imoz always)
u have all resists, u have 2 different MAs with good damage .
grp can hold ( i have seen it working dont ask me how but this grp survives
though we didnt have theu/wizz cause i had my mins in the grp )
for lotsa time alive and even if many peeps die fast they can kill . etc .
not that good interrupts but it works . 2 MAs 1. is one merc that has the second to assist .
2. is caba that has sorc and theu / wizz assisting ( not at 100% of the times ) and u have a bg .
i may made some mistakes at my post but u got the idea
ohh well that is what i beleive .
Nice setups/explanation Wutae
Like em alot,even tho the group 2 setup could run on caster spd,with a theurgist,instead of the mincer....but spd5 aint bad,either are pbt for that setup! /both useable imo :wub:
adaptive
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Konah said:erm he didnt ask whats the best setup, he asked if the setup he proposed was/could be any good!
spose its natural it turns into a best grp setup thread tho
good player on good class >>> good player on crap class >>> crap player on good class >>> crap player on crap class
actually, he asked this.....
Baldrian said:
so people have been giving their opinions
Docs
Fledgling Freddie
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wutae said:
In that setup Id rather have a friar instead of the third cleric.
Apart from the resists the friar can help on heals and do BG and also abuse
static tempest.
If you also bring a high enh. cleric the friar helping with the heals might actually
enable the cleric to get off some buff shears.
