RvR BG Leaders ?

[Zede]

Kerith had to dubious task of leading albs in tonights defence.

Hes a brave man imo, somebody had to do it. He tried, not perfect but he tried, so respect to him for that. Is it just as bad in mid and hib with the constant whine the bg leader gets ?

I think every realm lacks Bg leaders somewhat, and rvr would be very different for the most of us if we had such people. Alb used to have ages ago, and I think it was ole Bubble that lead the last alb alarm clock rr like 6 months ago

I have been on the "other side of the fence" when it comes to rvr, but I do agree that keep defence is jolly good fun, but does not happen often enough ( ie 2 equalish sides battling it out) just wish some of people who advocate the zerg metaility would actually step up and lead for just a bit.

Id love to see the likes of Bracken, Rediknight who are so eloquent on here defending the joys of zerging - actually use their talents to lead a zerg, for Arthur !!

 

[Haggus]

Somewhat I agree. But you get alot of stick for doing such things and some people can't handle the pressure. Hence why I think they've just dissapeared

 

[Infanity]

Too much pressure, Too much whine etc for anyone to actually enjoy it.

 

[Marcus75]

Its the same when it goes bad for any realm...had albs and hibs been in the Mid frontier any leader of ours would have gotten the same treatment probably.

 

[Kerith]

well i enjoy doing it, but tonight was nightmare with lag and LDs. i think by the time i was the official leader most of the hard work had been done tbh, was gr8 fun earlier when mids were in beno, im falling in love with heretics, got6 deathspams by jumping outside in zombie mode. think i farmed bout 30 deathblows in total tonight^^

 

[Pirkel]

Kerith had to dubious task of leading albs in tonights defence.

Hes a brave man imo, somebody had to do it. He tried, not perfect but he tried, so respect to him for that. Is it just as bad in mid and hib with the constant whine the bg leader gets ?

I think every realm lacks Bg leaders somewhat, and rvr would be very different for the most of us if we had such people. Alb used to have ages ago, and I think it was ole Bubble that lead the last alb alarm clock rr like 6 months ago

I have been on the "other side of the fence" when it comes to rvr, but I do agree that keep defence is jolly good fun, but does not happen often enough ( ie 2 equalish sides battling it out) just wish some of people who advocate the zerg metaility would actually step up and lead for just a bit.

Id love to see the likes of Bracken, Rediknight who are so eloquent on here defending the joys of zerging - actually use their talents to lead a zerg, for Arthur !!

Funny you should say that ... I was in the Mid offensive BG tonight and the leader there (Sorry can't remember his name atm) dropped out after ordering the zerg to charge in Beno only to see 3 or 4 people charge at a time

But yes ... I've played all 3 realms on different servers over here and in the US ... and it's the same everywhere ... trying to lead a BG is like herding cats

 

[Kerith]

Funny you should say that ... I was in the Mid offensive BG tonight and the leader there (Sorry can't remember his name atm) dropped out after ordering the zerg to charge in Beno only to see 3 or 4 people charge at a time

But yes ... I've played all 3 realms on different servers over here and in the US ... and it's the same everywhere ... trying to lead a BG is like herding cats

if that was when u got 2nd beno door down, i think a little bit of wee came out tbh. was crying at how many mids got slaughtered down there

 

[Stallker]

Big thanks to kerith for leading the albs to be honest, too many people whining about having to wait for people to gather together.

If you dont like the way someone is leading you can leave the BG to be honest,

or attempt to lead a RvR defense yourself at somepoint and find out its not easy.....

 

[Pirkel]

if that was when u got 2nd beno door down, i think a little bit of wee came out tbh. was crying at how many mids got slaughtered down there

No clue I wasn't at Beno at the time I was very busy getting slaughtered by Stajj's group and Forgotten Legends most of the night

 

[Tafaya Anathas]

Pointless thread, everyone know that every RvR zerg led by Steveh

 

[LordjOX]

All Hail King Kerith! :worthy:
He whom body odours pops assassins out of stealth!

 

[Bracken]

Id love to see the likes of Bracken, Rediknight who are so eloquent on here defending the joys of zerging - actually use their talents to lead a zerg, for Arthur !!

I've done it a few times - though not often as it's usually Favail I'm grouped with and she does it far better than me Besides, ever tried enjoying your pint while leading a bg at the same time? Bloody impossible. Also, Infanity hit the nail on the head why not many people do it

 

[pip]

Well in mid we tend to get a /bg leader they do half job then leave don't no if this happens much in alb/hib,imo if you haven't got time, to see it out why bother to start1?

 

[Ballen]

Kerith had to dubious task of leading albs in tonights defence.

Hes a brave man imo, somebody had to do it. He tried, not perfect but he tried, so respect to him for that. Is it just as bad in mid and hib with the constant whine the bg leader gets ?

It would if we had that porkypine as bg leader. He's to busy whining on irc instead of focusing on the important stuff, hehe. Anyways, I think that ppl listen to the bg leaders we had the last week, that's from my own pov thou.

 

[Javai]

Did it almost every night for 3 months last year, I stopped it after getting too much abuse from people, enough crap in rl to deal with it in game as well.

As BG (zerg) leader you get abuse from those who think you're making the wrong decisions, abuse from those you didn't wait for when they ld'd for the 400th time and abuse from the 'fg' crowd for spoiling 'their' game.

If Albs lack a leader now then I am afraid it is largely the fault of those who show anyone who tries a complete lack of respect.

 

[Thorwyn]

One of the reasons why BG leaders are having a hard time is, that every man and his dog thinks he´s a big fish in the pond these days. The ego factor is enormous. Back in the days, everybody used to listen to people like Finster or Herbal, simply because they were more experienced and everybody realised that. Nowadays, as soon as someone hits RR5, he´s basically one of the veterans (or at least that´s what the majority of people are thinking).

What most people fail to understand is, that even if the decision of the leader in charge is wrong, it´s still better to follow a "wrong" order than scattering the entire force into pieces and paralyzing it from doing anything at all. Or, to use an analogy, it´s better to make a bad move in a chessgame than making no move at all. If you´re not moving at all, you´re losing 100%. If you´re making a bad move, you can still correct the mistake or hope for a mistake of your opponent.

This is one essential thing to learn I think. As soon as someone took the lead of a side (be it defence or offence), everybody should follow the orders of that leader. Discussing the strategy or tactics post mortem is fine and important, but during the battle, every discussion is more damaging than a 3fg warlock zerg on dope.

just my 5c

 

[Chronictank]

Kerith had to dubious task of leading albs in tonights defence.

Hes a brave man imo, somebody had to do it. He tried, not perfect but he tried, so respect to him for that. Is it just as bad in mid and hib with the constant whine the bg leader gets ?

Nop not really, i generally /bg remove anyone that annoys/ignores me
because my personal view is i would rather have 10 people who listen to me and follow orders than 100 who dont

 

[Kerith]

One of the reasons why BG leaders are having a hard time is, that every man and his dog thinks he´s a big fish in the pond these days. The ego factor is enormous. Back in the days, everybody used to listen to people like Finster or Herbal, simply because they were more experienced and everybody realised that. Nowadays, as soon as someone hits RR5, he´s basically one of the veterans (or at least that´s what the majority of people are thinking).

What most people fail to understand is, that even if the decision of the leader in charge is wrong, it´s still better to follow a "wrong" order than scattering the entire force into pieces and paralyzing it from doing anything at all. Or, to use an analogy, it´s better to make a bad move in a chessgame than making no move at all. If you´re not moving at all, you´re losing 100%. If you´re making a bad move, you can still correct the mistake or hope for a mistake of your opponent.

This is one essential thing to learn I think. As soon as someone took the lead of a side (be it defence or offence), everybody should follow the orders of that leader. Discussing the strategy or tactics post mortem is fine and important, but during the battle, every discussion is more damaging than a 3fg warlock zerg on dope.

just my 5c

amen, rep!

 

[Aran Thule]

Leading a /bg can be very very frustrating, like someone said it can be like herding cats.
When /bg count says 100+ in over 10fg and you tell people to move out to find that only 3 groups have followed.
The main killer of the /bg is boredom, as then people start arguing and conflicting information comes out.
Part of the differculty is that pryd and excal dont really know the people on the other side, which was one of the reasons as soon as cluster hit i tried to arrange a meeting between the various alliance leaders.
Ive given up leading ML /bg's unless i need it myself due to the stick i got from it, even when the problems that happened were not my fault.
Add to this antagonists that cause trouble deliberately and you can see why there is a lack of people willing to step in the firing line and thoose that do are often shot down by thoose unwilling/uncapable of leading themselves.

Other main issue is the 'someone else will do it' attitude, be it leading, bringing siege, repairing, ect.
But what can you do? the 'charge' situation is a prime example, there is nothing more frustrating then telling people to get ready, explaining the plan then shouting charge to find you and a couple of others have followed the plan and all others are watching afk.

People play for whatever reason and a lot are of the mindset 'why should i listen to you' thing is unless you can get everyone working together your more likely then not doomed to failure.

 

[toxii]

No clue I wasn't at Beno at the time I was very busy getting slaughtered by Stajj's group and Forgotten Legends most of the night

aye when a zerg kills a grp its funny cos they was unlucky and met the zerg

when the grp kills the zerg its not funny anymore, its slaughter and ruining zergs fun