RvR and you

[Bubble]

I'd like to know how people react on the battlefield, so please reply with your own point of view.

I've noticed a lot of people on this server (specialy hibs) stress 8v8 combat > all. I thought for once in my life i would not add/watch the 8v8 battles and not interfear at all. So i set out on my Sorcerer looking for Smaller or zerg encounters instead of interfearing with FG battles.

On my travels i was killed by various random hib FG's and mid FG's, i didn't really think much of it as they weren't the groups that stress how much they hate adds etc. I then ran into a Legacy FG twice solo, both times they gave no quarter(yes its RvR so really to be expected) I then ran into a High RR FG fighting mids, i thought i'd sit down and watch, the Hibs Dispatched the mids and then there Banshee nuked the crap out of me..This happened twice with Nippu not taking a liking to me.

Still i thought i'd give it another go, this time i meet Pudzy 1v1, mezzed him, 2fg's of mids just ignore me and pudzy and ran by, i broke Pudzys mez with my staff to get attacked by Phooka (i was standing still...at least PA or BS2 me next time) and have pudzy pbaoe the hell out of me (got you back tho you little fooka) which again i thought was very...unsporting (the mids then ganked pudzy )

After running into Legacy against and getting ganked solo i thought fuck this, i'm going to add on every SOB mid/hib i can from now on, why the hell should i respect peoples 8v8 battles if they think its fine and cool to attack me 1v8.

The funnyest thing was at the end, the followed the hib zerg to the mid bridge to see they fighting the mid zerg, a BM spotted me sitting and charged me, i used my SoI incase i could convince him to go bugger off somewhere else, then a Mid Warlock oneshot me at least my evening ended with a chuckle.

Whats your point of view on this, if your a solo stealth and you get ganked while fighting with another stealther by a FG, do you feel you have the right and honour to attack them while they are fighting 8v9? Do you run in a group of 8 and feel anything gos, your in a RvR zone, expect to die if caught. Or are you the type who like 8v8 battles and hate people adding.

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

perfectly fine imo, add away on the bastards

 

[leviathane]

quit the games not the same anymore, saves all the whine too

 

[Bubble]

quit the games not the same anymore, saves all the whine too

i wasn't whining

Well maybe a little

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

A few groups/players have earned my respect enough for me not to add on their fights while im solo...I dont add on 1-1s unless they add on me or it isnt a 1-1 (e.g already mid-hib-alb or uneven), most fgs fights i will add on purely as they gank me EVERY time solo.
I think in the last week of solo (our group isnt running until next week) ive only had a fg NOT add on my 1-1s ONCE if they happen past. And yeah qq me etc its rvr i know.

/salute to those who give me good 1-1s win/lose

 

[Ethild]

After running into Legacy against and getting ganked solo i thought fuck this, i'm going to add on every SOB mid/hib i can from now on, why the hell should i respect peoples 8v8 battles if they think its fine and cool to attack me 1v8.

You can't stop adding/zerging for one evening and expect everyone to love you for it. Once a reputation is there, its going to be hard to shake off. When our group saw you tonight the call in group was ... "Its Bubble, add".

 

[Bubble]

You can't stop adding/zerging for one evening and expect everyone to love you for it. Once a reputation is there, its going to be hard to shake off. When our group saw you tonight the call in group was ... "Its Bubble, add".

thats totaly fine i never asked to be infact its against the rules to let me live My little 'story' was just how i reached my new conclusion

Edit- Besides, i didn't want people to make excuses, i asked for there oppinion, what they would do etc, would you let the rr2 scout run by?

 

[stupeh]

a scout.. no, zerg scouts ftw.

 

[Melachi]

What about a solo SB?

Yeah I taught not, so what FG's want people to do, (this is espcially hard for stealthers) is not add on them for a period of time until they then deem you honorable enough not to add on your fights, aslong as your class isnt immedialty decided to be unhonorable.

What Im going to do when I start RvRing is not add on any FG's unless they add on me, if they add on me once, ill start adding on them anytime I feel like it. Im gonna assume by the end of the week ill be adding on every fg fight

[Edit] Before anyone quotes me about "(this is espcially hard for stealthers)" ill explain that better. Stealthers have to be seen not to add yet when they dont add they cant be seen

 

[Straef]

Try to avoid adding on fg-fg or 1-1 fights when leading (as most people seem to think I'm leading when I'm not), but lately I feel it's getting me fuck all, as I get added on all the time, a lot of those times by hypocrit ***** pretending to be fair play wannabe's and such :/ I'd say, do as you will, don't mind getting added on as long as it aren't the same people calling me a zerger/adder when it happens to them ;x

 

[VidX]

was watching most of the fights north of bolg 1 from stealth (putting the occasional arrow in to Bubble ofc!) and it was just one massive zerg, the closest it got to a 1fg fight was when the mids and hibs insisted on running at the albs one group at a time

It's RvR, Prydwen server, not guild/group v guild/group on Camlann. If it's got a red name above it I'll attack it. Usually unbuffed and it's a lvl 60 mob

And Evita got pwned by Caestar at the graveyard, not really but was a good fight

 

[Marchus]

only some mid GG didn't ganged me, all hib fg just kill me -). but I don't rly care, I quit and do something irl, or just go somewhere else. I not rly add on fg vs fg (and on 1v1), tho I haven't met with fg vs fg nowdays :E.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

And Evita got pwned by Caestar at the graveyard, not really but was a good fight

Heheh yeah that last one he gave me a kicking - think you turned up at the end, we fought until one was at the deathblow point then let the other heal up a few times first since - i had him first time, he kicked the shit out of me the second two times

Caes is one of the few people i never add on and let live sometimes after a fight <salute>

Btw ta for not putting arrows in me there ray

 

[Aran Thule]

Tough one really, it all depends on the situation.

i do know that nearly every time if a FG from another realm spots me i end up face down.
If im in a fight sometimes they will move on, sometimes watch sometimes roll over me.
expect it happens to all realms.
So i cant really see how they can complain if you join in a fight they are on.

One thing that is annoying is when your stalking a target, get into position, draw your bow, and suddenly a FG charges over the hill and inst kills them.

If i provide info on enemy locations then i will probably get involved, but even then it isnt very effective as im so slow and they nearly always are out of range.

If i see someone solo i will normally ask them if they want me to join in if they get attacked, if i dont know it depends on how i feel but ill normally try to take out any other stealther adds that show up.

One time after taking the alb relic and with RR on stick i got distracted and chased and popped an poor lonely stealther.

So after that drawn out explaination, im no nearer to finding an answer. <grin>

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Stealthers have to be seen not to add yet when they dont add they cant be seen

Good point and nicely put.

 

[Bubble]

Tough one really, it all depends on the situation.

i do know that nearly every time if a FG from another realm spots me i end up face down.
If im in a fight sometimes they will move on, sometimes watch sometimes roll over me.
expect it happens to all realms.
So i cant really see how they can complain if you join in a fight they are on.

One thing that is annoying is when your stalking a target, get into position, draw your bow, and suddenly a FG charges over the hill and inst kills them.

If i provide info on enemy locations then i will probably get involved, but even then it isnt very effective as im so slow and they nearly always are out of range.

If i see someone solo i will normally ask them if they want me to join in if they get attacked, if i dont know it depends on how i feel but ill normally try to take out any other stealther adds that show up.

One time after taking the alb relic and with RR on stick i got distracted and chased and popped an poor lonely stealther.

So after that drawn out explaination, im no nearer to finding an answer. <grin>

btw Aran i borrowed bowmaiden for 30 minutes and ran into you

Finaly thought i'd have a 1v1 with your and another scout(+zerg behind) added At least you got away

 

[sneakies]

I dont really pay attention to the whine about adding etc.

No realm; guild; or player can claim they solo - dont add - or dont zerg. Recently EVERY realm has been running a zerg. Even if you run as an 8 man group (as i have every time i've rvr'd lately) - theres not another group far behind (giving the appearence of '2fg on stick' or 'zerg').

And seeing as how often i do get steam rolled by double numbers - added on by some scout scum; i actually have absolutly no issues about adding and getting revenge to see how they like it when the tables turn (not the wisest thing - but hey; im not takign the moral high ground!)

The main annoyance in RVR for me at the moment - are the Albs/Mids not leaving the tower/bridge (the full groups that have and ive had 8-v-8 with has been great fun though). Can argue hib's aren't doing this as badly as you guys cause at the moment - we got no where to hide where all the action is!

Ooh; and the usual annoyance that hides in the shadows and add's from 2000 units in groups of three.

 

[Leel]

I only leave 1vs1's but it depends who that enemy is. If he's the kind that's ganked me in a duo while I was solo or well, pa'ed and killed my caster a few times, I'll put the smack down Never has an fg spared me and I would like to ruin their fg fights as much as possible as payment.

 

[Corran]

Heheh yeah that last one he gave me a kicking - think you turned up at the end, we fought until one was at the deathblow point then let the other heal up a few times first since - i had him first time, he kicked the shit out of me the second two times

Caes is one of the few people i never add on and let live sometimes after a fight <salute>

Btw ta for not putting arrows in me there ray

Caes is a nasty basted.... saw him fighting a mid, left him fighting and clapped him. He attacked me and didnt take a hint when i didnt fight back. Like if i wanted to add he would of died because he would of been nuked to fuck, i wouldnt be standing next to the bugger that i know can 4 shot me

 

[Corran]

stuff

Oh and as for you Vidx.... really take a hint. I didnt want to kill you when you were with pudz near the tower) Had you on engage and ran back, 2 hibs attack me and i still keep you engaged and yet you continue to shoot arrows at me... left me no choice but to make sure you dont run away

But yes was a massive zerg there. I was grouped with a couple of GoP people. We try to roam away, got slaughtered by fg, try again and get slaughtered by another fg, try again and get slaughtered by 2fg, try again and fg attacks (SoS to freedom that time ), then eventually gave up and stayed in the area where the hibs kept going and just added (as they constantly had full groups adding in area it seemed fair enough)

Spent the afternoon not adding/zerging but people like caestar pissed me off with either adding or not thinking about what they doing, so i logged (non toa tic sucks most the time 1vs1 unless it a archer or shit assasin, or a non stun nuke caster due to fact we cant fully toa yet). Only so much a person can take i guess. If you get zerged constantly, wether you be solo or grouped then you will start adding so you not wasting time. If people respect you and leave you be then do the same in kind. Thats the way i play most often, however when i get pissed of nobody is immune from my adding which is unfortunately as i know there few people i rather not annoy.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Didn't encounter any unclean fights today with adding and stuff.

Had a very good and long fight vs. a Midgard full group near a bridge. One of them was even amused and the other paid respect by bowing.

I'll come back anyday to fight them, it was challenging and funny and I learned there a lot, e.g. that you can play DAoC like a racer game and do a co-op race over the bridge with 3 full groups of friends: The first one to laugh spam wins.

 

[Zedenz]

Very rare for a fg to leave me along 1v1 etc, Ethilds usually saves me from his grp doing it and Gamah does every now and then if he's grouped. Other than that, can get maced out of stealth even stood watching (<3 Joline), not specced for vanish so don't suspect it would be easy for me to add on a fg even if I wanetd to.

 

[Haggus]

I had a very nice night at RvR tonight, on Wubbly if you missed me nuking the hell out of ya

Group even let a Sb and ranger(think is was Winterz and Spike) finish there fight before killing them. My point; Even if you have to add, if there in a fight then let them fight and then gank them. I have no problem with this, it's when certain mids/hibs just see you and want to kill you, be it a fg or just 1v1. Got a few hugs off Winterz when we came back to near Crim bridge, took it as a thanks as he won the fight. then got ganked.

Ganking is fine, most of the time. As people have said, as long as it's not the usual people whining about being added on.

If your adding then let the fight finish. Then decide to leave the enimy or kill him/her.


Oh and Lupa no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't kill my lil pink caba

 

[Helstrom]

Tis not smart to leave a sorc alive. Mezz and all. Not like it's a solo fishofdoom armsman :<

 

[Helstrom]

Didn't encounter any unclean fights today with adding and stuff.

Like when we were fighting BaF and you came in with your group and added? Strong unbiased attitude! "omg lets add!" "omg wtf bastards added on us!! WHINE ON FH, QUICK!" If you want to expect people not to add on you, try not adding in the first place.


You're turning out to be such an unbearable biased whiner.

 

[spook]

I wouldn't leave a solo char that is able to wreck havoc on the entire group (chars with the ability to ae interrupt or mez) run around untouched. For me, when I was leading it was all about keep the group "safe" until the swords started clashing.
Not that I ever became really good at it, but protection of own interests is top priority

 

[atos]

Heh, well it differs. FGs think it's ok to gank soloers but not to add on a fg vs fg fight. And thats just wrong.. even if we all do it. In that case it's better to add on everything, in true Excal way.

And a few questions I ask myself about the IRC channels.

Some strange idea a few players have is: Add on things from time to time and whine on everyone who do the same. Not seldom this also leads to getting kickbanned from #prydwen.stealthers because you simply played their game. This also occurs in #prydwen.rvr but there it's more about groups adding on fg fights.

Kickbanning people and thus removing their comunication link will lead to ->

1. Broken comunication and everything that it means.

2. Frustration and missunderstanding.

And this will lead to people adding even more because they simply can't talk to their ememies anymore and lose the respect and the abillity to comunicate they had.

And woha, another Excal is born.


A solution to the constant anger and whine about adds and honour code would be to move the RvR to what it used to be. Which means removal of the insta RvR thingy.

Just my view of it. The very reason Prydwen has FG versus FG is that we comunicate through IRC and other mediums and have a small playerbase. Only experience I got is from IRC really... did I miss something?

I also came to the conclusion that Prydwen needs to have the scouts removed from albinon, prefearably moved to a lvl 50 BG for scouts only.

Having scoutadds is the worst experience in DAoC so far.

Comments? :kissit:​

 

[Killerbee]

Like when we were fighting BaF and you came in with your group and added? Strong unbiased attitude! "omg lets add!" "omg wtf bastards added on us!! WHINE ON FH, QUICK!" If you want to expect people not to add on you, try not adding in the first place.


You're turning out to be such an unbearable biased whiner.

Actually after got killed by 4fg of mids (what that picture not really gave back) and got 28 laugh spam from Thrungi (it is a free ticket to a 3 days ban, isnt it? ), it was like: feck them all. We were running with 7 ppl and 1 cleric for like 45 mins long btw, during that time we were intentionally adding (like the fight you mentioned), apart from that time: not, despite my feck them all comment.

It was a zergy night, I think apart from a fight with a grp with Puppet's vamp in, we didnt have any fg vs fg fight against hibs (we got the alb zerg or they got adds), that lasted like 6 mins long (not sure) then we got some hib adds and died.

 

[Dracus]

I play stealthers mostly. And the funneh part, I always solo. Never add on other solo fights, but if its a 2v1 I'll try and jump the "2nd". But if I spot FGvFG or similar I add any chance I get(assasins should all have vanish ) Coz I know they'd do the excact same to me. The few times I FG rvr with my Eld I expect nothing less in return(read: scouts )

I enjoy soloing on my stealthers and will continue to do so, no matter how hard it'll be with cluster. Ow and will also continue to add on FGs

/Dracus

 

[Puppet]

It was a zergy night, I think apart from a fight with a grp with Puppet's vamp in, we didnt have any fg vs fg fight against hibs (we got the alb zerg or they got adds), that lasted like 6 mins long (not sure) then we got some hib adds and died.

As always lastnight we tried to ran FG and not to add on fights. That went pretty fine; except for Warlocks (as they deserved to be added on from).

But yeah, we had, i think, 2x FG vs FG with you basically, one fight it was over very quickly and the other fight you referring too we got adds in the end; fight lasted eons (our only dps where Suo and me pretty much as Nuppu chaininterrupted by the reaver in your FG) and i think you both your clerics used BoF and atleast 2xdemo from your light-tanks ===> fight will last long.

Was nice fight regardless and i think we deserved that win too