Runemasters

[eNzi]

Yet another thread about runemasters

How come midgard rvr groups(random / guild.. etc.) don't use the runemaster anymore? I think the PBT is still a cool groupspell, why not use it? Also imagine how much a Wild Power 3(or even higher?) darkness runemaster can do over a very little time? And best thing is, he's able to assist
Yes I know that having a savage instead of a runemaster in group will be "uber", but savages don't have pbt, nearsight, single target root, snare spells(maybe snare styles? what do I know? )
I also know, that runemasters only got cloth armor and therefore will go down faster than a savage, but still.. a darkness nuke with crithit must be worth it? or what?

"But Midgard is a melee realm" how come mythic made BD, RM, SM then? I don't get it :\

Please don't take this thread as a whine, cuz it's not.. I just wondered why we don't use the powerfull small kobbies(or norses? ) on the battlefield anymore..
Also please if you really feel that you have to flame go do it at RvR discussions

Would really like to see random groups take in a runie now and then, would be nice

Thanks

 

[kameh]

have to admit I'm a bit confused about it too. Think a lot of it is that the runie dies so damn easily that those who play supp runies get pissed off with it. Guess Albs have the same problem though

 

[old.anubis]

he dies too fast and doesnt have determination, that's why

 

[Kindar]

Tbh i have no idea, i don't rvr much....but have seen the shortage on casters in rvr grps. Mostly the only casters rvring would be a full caster grp i guess.
Having a pbt runie along would be great...i really miss when having pbt in grps earlier...even in xp grps, but they don't seem to be used much there either.

Pbt really saves alot..damage and threatful Slams in rvr on tanks or such. I just guess most mids think the savages are the best to have along atm, although i disagree.
With the resist system we have atm, im not sure how much a darkrunie hits for....at least know the nukes are to be feared in pve.
I hope we see more of the caster on the battlefield when the fotm savages are being nerfed

 

[Kindar]

Originally posted by old.anubis
he dies too fast and doesnt have determination, that's why

Pbt can block most hits, and healers have DEMEZZ ffs! I just guess most healers don't realize that..

 

[Rulke-RM]

pbt does nothing vs even semi decent assisting, and the RM will die very quickly, denying even the small advantage it gives.

 

[Archeon]

I've got a lvl38 pbt runie atm, i really should finish leveling him. But atm i really can't see him being used for anything more than PvE encounters. What with /assist, 50%+ resists and all the other caster friendly 'features; Mythic put in to help draw out the length of RvR battles

Still, i'm keeping the faith alive that one day people will be begging me to join their groups. And know what i'm gonna do when that day comes?

Tell them all to F*** off!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Kindar
Pbt can block most hits, and healers have DEMEZZ ffs! I just guess most healers don't realize that..

haha


the desperate rantings of a lunatic



insta-death as soon as anyone looks at you, no det, crap dmg(if any) and only semi-useful group abilities, thats why rm's dont get any groups.

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by Arnor
haha


the desperate rantings of a lunatic



insta-death as soon as anyone looks at you, no det, crap dmg(if any) and only semi-useful group abilities, thats why rm's dont get any groups.

awnor...


Rms can be viable, you just need to have someone debuffing teh damage.

Those who are saying that pbt sucks dont really know what they are talking about, a warr + 6sec pbt can really be a nuisance to a assist train.

On this server people just have this certain "scare" of casters nowdays, at least in mid. Rather take a random RR3 savage than a close to RR7 RM. Same goes for Thanes, well we are bad, but people think that a thane cant even win a greycon mincer that´s wearing old socks.


btw,

When I get my net back I wanna try this new mage setup.

2 Sms
1 48RC
Warr
Skald
2healers
shammy


Casters create a pbae box and start to assist the main nuker, once the tanks aggro them they can pbae, this is what hibs are doing and it´s working pretty well... I need a pac healer though, dont really know any decent ones

Opinions? would it work?

with the 50% debuff casters will allways cap the baseline damage... and when it comes to that I think a 3x ~500ish damage hurts, dontcha think?

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Arnor
haha

the desperate rantings of a lunatic

insta-death as soon as anyone looks at you, no det, crap dmg(if any) and only semi-useful group abilities, thats why rm's dont get any groups.

Sadly I have to agree, at least for FG setup there simply is no room for a RM if you want the best setup, and to be frank nowadays you need it - or get ganked.

RM are best for siege warfare, but also usefull in a 1.5-2FG setup, cuz then it is possible to get out of harms way. Mainly the problem with RM is that they only got purge to get out of any mez situation (and demezz ofc), or get targetted asap by the assisting train - and you die. I think a BD is a much better caster for FG Mid grp than RM - atm that is.

...and about dmg, I think RM do ok dmg with Bolts against other casters and a DC debuffing is a dmgdealer, problem is that they are often killed/mezzed b4 they can do any dmg.

 

[Fapuser]

From my point of view.. many "IF" when plaing RM.

First and most important one : IF I DONT DIE in first 5s of fight.
Happens in 1 of 5 fights and lets me to controll [root, snare] enemy tanks and kill enemy caster. Takes 2 bolts & one nuke to kill caster on avarge. IF somehow i dont get killed for 30 more s [after killing caster and/or rooting tanks] then chances of enemy grp are greatly reduced . To be more precise, they can already type /release. And when RM is high RR.. hey thats a natural born [mass] killer.

IF i get mezzed, PBT dont work. I dont have det, purge is used so i need demezz. IF i dont get it [never get it] I'm as good as dead. Even if I dont die while mezzed most of grp will probably die so I can suicide and save enemies effort of killing me.

If some tank want to solo kill me i have a chance. Not big one, but i might be able to root or snare. Always nice when someone see that im in trouble and root/mezz/stun that tank. But they usually heal. What do i need heal for , ha?

From the other hand, RMs are very nice in zergs, when every target got mezz timer anyway and we can spam aoe dd. Also usefull when taking/defending keeps... thats when every one suddenly feel that RM with gtaoe would be nice.

And for the last thing.. i dont get why ppl dont want PBT rms in pve grps. From my experience, PBT is really good ass saver. If grp gets much agro it can survive, but when PBTer gets killed u only get death spam. U can see it very well on ck near duke. Or shreds if lower level. And i dont even mention about dmg output. It IS high.


So help RMes live longer in rvr. They r worth of that spot in grp, IF you only give them a time to prove it

Fapus

47 RC /26 supp RM

 

[Nazghul-]

A supp SM should be more longlived in a smart grp. Buff pet with con and str/con and let it intercept like mad while having it on passive.

Having 2-3 SMs all with passive intercepting pets boxing up, maybe one of em MoCing, should be pretty good? Don't have grp purge but all 3 wait till they have self purge up before going out

 

[jox]

One can always hope that the ability Bodyguard in ToA will be useful AND common.

We had a rm in our group last nite and it worked out quite well, Jotun, Jotunz...something.

I like it when people have the guts to break upp the old fotm templates and try different setups.

A runecarver(rc 48) + a dark sm(dark 49) can debuff to each other(-50%!!!) and blast everything to pieces in a blink of an eye, neeerf!

 

[Lumikki]

I'm in Arnor if you need a SM for the group.

xx

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Kallio
awnor...


Rms can be viable, you just need to have someone debuffing teh damage.

Those who are saying that pbt sucks dont really know what they are talking about, a warr + 6sec pbt can really be a nuisance to a assist train.

On this server people just have this certain "scare" of casters nowdays, at least in mid. Rather take a random RR3 savage than a close to RR7 RM. Same goes for Thanes, well we are bad, but people think that a thane cant even win a greycon mincer that´s wearing old socks.


btw,

When I get my net back I wanna try this new mage setup.

2 Sms
1 48RC
Warr
Skald
2healers
shammy


Casters create a pbae box and start to assist the main nuker, once the tanks aggro them they can pbae, this is what hibs are doing and it´s working pretty well... I need a pac healer though, dont really know any decent ones

Opinions? would it work?

with the 50% debuff casters will allways cap the baseline damage... and when it comes to that I think a 3x ~500ish damage hurts, dontcha think?

just fyi, my post was regarding rm's in normal tank-groups, there they are a waste.

In mage groups we can still do some good yet.


Im game for testing that setup, but I reckon we need a) decent rr since mana consumption will be a bitch, b) a good pac healer


I think i can get b) but ill have to check around.


edit: I can bring either sm or rm btw, and we can have kitty too, group seems to be commin together nicely

 

[duact]

rms had their time in the sun, at that time it was hard to get grp as zerk , nowdays its the other way. Rock n reroll!

 

[arrakeen]

I will play RM if needed but we need to get group going first.... I dont care what spec i need to respec to

 

[VodkaFairy]

I'll be backup RC runie if you need one No time to play mid full time, roleplaying hib etc :/

 

[rinteastwood]

I want in the group rr6L1 RM with 48 rc 22 dark 11 supp spec

Name's Gjefnal

 

[Nollan]

well, u can specc dark also and nuke damn hard (sometimes)
but assist is to hard for pbt, tanks are just choping it throw. but i think it will come a time that RM will be needed again, and i think it also is soon. Exc is more and more turning to a zerg server. it is just a matter of a time that all realms is just running in zergs. Then caster will be used again. to bad it gonna be in that way but it will be like that

 

[Miniwhack]

Runemasters are gimped. PBT is useless when everyone assists. You have to realize that a tank have twice as much hp and better armor and do better dmg and give more to the group than a runemaster. So why use runemasters? Roll a healer or tank and stop complaining!

 

[-RG-Jaond]

Was runing with a great small group this Saturday.

healer, healer, warrior, rm, bd only played for 1-2hours but worked great agains both alb/hib groups in hw

 

[Blazor Meneth]

Hmm now I'm confused, in a good way

Originally posted by arrakeen
I will play RM if needed but we need to get group going first.... I dont care what spec i need to respec to

Didn't you leave mid, but now your back?

Originally posted by Kallio
When I get my net back I wanna try this new mage setup.

Didn't you give your account to a friend, got it back now ?






I need to know
Would be so great

 

[Kallio]

Originally posted by Blazor Meneth
Hmm now I'm confused, in a good way

you silly d0rfies are allways confused dear Blazor

Ralg went to hib on a different account, he´s inactive but might just come here to give us some lub, I left and didnt leave and still did, see what I mean? If you dont, dont bother to think

 

[jarl]

the good

RM do good in grp, a ordinary FOTM savage grp is easy for especialy hubs to kill, just clump up and PBAOE MOC if needed.
Just drag them assisting savages into pbaoe do it good and they have no other choise then to abort, its the realy big disadvantage on savage fotm grp, NO ranged offense.

A RM coul be REALY evul on them clumped up hib grp protecting against the assistsing savages.

And the PBT is GOOD, against assisting tanks not much help, but it absorbs the dmg done from rzndom interupt smacks on support alowing healers to focus more.

Try playing classes "right" and u see em all beeing quite nice

 

[Shaki/Aeis]

Are you being ironic Jarl?

 

[Denisée]

Sorry I failed to compete the last try Kalba. But irl came and blocked my ability to spend time on DAoC. If you give it another try I'm happy to help (but I will not be able to play in the holiday).

 

[sorry]

I can only speak for myself now, which is probably for the best =)
My first character was a runemaster, Dragev was born.
In the beginning I thought it was great fun to play as a RM in a grp, I thought I did well and got groups quite easily back then. But times did change, RvR changed quite a bit. RvR turned towards guild rvr, going in 1-2fgs of guild people, so the random groups did of course decrease in skill. Random grps also becoming a "selection of characters" for a optimal grp setup, and quite honestly I feel like very few mids can play with RMs in the grp and people rather have tanks. When joining a grp, mostly nobody are there to protect you, and what can you do if you have 2+ tanks on you? I can of course quick cast root on one, but the other will still kill me quite quickly, so I lost the joyment I had with playing my RM.
It wasn't fun to nearsight and root a few, to disable enemy players for the grand benifit of the group, just to die after 15 seconds and watch the others fight. Maybe I'm just a really bad RM and make myself an easy target, but it was just the same story every time I went out on RvR with Dragev.

Instead I continued lvling my shadowblade, which was the first character I looked at when I first learned about daoc. Besides the lvling I had great fun with him and I could actually go around and do things on my own
Not being a more or less defenceless RM ^^

I have tried 3 speccs as a RM and all have great benifit for a grp both in RvR and in PvE.
But Dragev did end up like this: LGM Tailor, 1k metalworking and woodworking, capped siegecrafting, specced 50 supp. i.e. a crafting puppet and pbt bot. [inactive]
Sorry XoX lives on

 

[phule_gubben]

RC Runies in keeptakes/defence rule thx to their GTAoE, too bad there are so few of us out there.

Kod RR5L4 Darkcarver

---:| Fellowship of Midgard |:---

 

[behatch]

Originally posted by jox
One can always hope that the ability Bodyguard in ToA will be useful AND common.

We had a rm in our group last nite and it worked out quite well, Jotun, Jotunz...something.

I like it when people have the guts to break upp the old fotm templates and try different setups.

A runecarver(rc 48) + a dark sm(dark 49) can debuff to each other(-50%!!!) and blast everything to pieces in a blink of an eye, neeerf!

fotm set-up , dont you have a lvl 50 savage called joxa owned