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[old.Odysseus]

Im planning to make a runie on pvp.
name will be Odysseus, and WOE to he who dares take that name before me.

I was thinking dorf, 10 points dex, rest in pie (mmm pie).
Then fullspec RC till i hit 21, respec sup, go 26 sup.

After 26 sup, the choice is either 47 RC or 47 darkness - any opinions here?

I imagine on pvp its more about survivability than damage output; hence NS is imperative.
Also pbt is nice for the groups (even if 10 sec, tested it with my theurg).
I take dorf for the HP to survive 1-2 shots from those pesky stealthers around.

GTAOE would give me the ability to simulate pbaoe, but darkness has some really nasty and fast dd.

Any opinions/advice is welcome

 

[old.chesnor]

Spec a few in supp to get the first self only bubble (at about 4 in supp I think) before you dump everything into RC, will save your ass on numerous occasions.

 

[old.Odysseus]

Its level 2 actually. good idea.

 

[Karl [DAOC]]

Okkki do,

yeah, put 1 point in sup to get urself a self bt asap.

then the 2 options...

47 RC 26 Supp (My Current Spec)
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Gorgeous AOE (spears) does lovley damage but a 4 sec cast time...

Powerfull bolts, 1 hit yellow casters etc, genrally 2-hit a stelath class, shit for anything holding a shield, and is bugged in groups.

DD - 176 DMG, Its not as bad as everybody says, cast time is 3 secs which aint so nice, but its resonably powerfull..

All spells are energy, and hence dont get resisted much, if ever

And ofc, the up and coming GTAE (Ground Targeted Area of Effect) basically u target using the F5 key yiu can target hight aswell, and dosnt have to be in Line Of Sight at all. nice


47 Dark 26 Dupp (prolly respecing to this)
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AOE - the AOE u wil have here is the lvl 40 one -
Darkness: 40 Raven Cloud 112 (Cold dmg 5% cold debuff 3 sec cast)
compared to: 44 Odin's Hatred 158 (Energy dmg, 4 sec cast)

DD 219 DMG, most powerfull DD in the game, only rivaled by a Fire wizzor, and is on a 2 second cast time.
To help with everything being Cold DMG... lots of resist to cold on players you get a DD which is 175 DMG, cast every 20 secs for a 5% could Debuff aswell.

And, you will get the DMG add buff, +6.4 DPS if you are only specced to 47 (final one at 49)

But, no GTAE



So in short, RC = energy DMG everything, Good AOE but 4 sec cast, so not much resists, with resonable DDs although some what lacking in power, and long range bolts.

Dark = FAST, POWERFULL DDs, a not so good AOE but faster cast, no bolts or GTAE, but a DMG buff, but cold dmg so lots of resist to cold out there.

take your choice, a major DMG dealer to 1 person = Dark

A more Limited damage dealer but great at keep defences and wall defences, etc etc, go for RC


Hope this helps

Karl

 

[old.Odysseus]

thx karl, ure a dorf too i think?

Lately I have been hearing of this setup (hold on to your horsies):

47 RC, rest in darkness : DarkCarver.

now one should think damage would be dealth with the RC line, but no - it is only so high for the 50% cold resist debuff, after which you nuke away with your darkness baseline dd - which is 75%+ spec with 2x +mods.....

Seeing that darkness baseline dd .. kindda... sux ...
Is that really worth it? will it deal more damage than going full darkness?
we're talking 155dd at 2.6 sec against 0% resist
against 219dd at 2.8 sec against an avg. of 10-20% resist

 

[th0rden]

moi

Karl...I'm same spec as u m8 and i do over 300dmg to any yellow con in Emain, i have +11 RC and MoM1, but doubt it would make me that much more powerful...just a point..

Onto the RM question
I'm 47RC 26 Supp - I do incredible damage in RvR, and the high end RC bolt can one shot any caster that isn't oober buffed. Was thinking of a cold respecc, but slightly worried about high cold resist, so I won't tell u what I'm going to respecc into instead
IMO RvR all rests on how much dmg u can do in a short amount of time.. dark may be faster, but u may only be able to get off one DD before u are nuked into the dirt, and as already mentioned, I nuke hard.
Another fully viable specc is 50 Supp, same DD damage as RC with a snare to boot! Nice AE DD snare, oober fast pbt, god-like ns, and a confuse for annoying simulacrums But only one bolt :/

As for race, go dorf, and but some points into con. At lvl 50 i have 1100 HP unbuffed, bolts/archers don't one shot me, and stealther poison never kills me (ok, some credit is due to my First Aid1).
The extra 5 pts in pie really wont help u much, I have MCL 2 and Serenity 2, i very rarely run out of mana.

Hope this helps...




Thorden Ironbrow - 50 RM Excal

 

[old.Lythande]

http://vnboards.ign.com/board.asp?brd=20914

I'm respeccing to Darkcarver myself when 1.52 goes live simply because of the insane resists ppl are starting to get, it's not fun to try to take down that big moose with the spear that will 2-shot you when you hit for xxx(-26-40%) dmg, and I have to disagree with Karl on energy not being resisted, I'd say about 90% of the enemies I usually run into are resistant to energy(not all of them with maxed resists ofcourse).

I played around with the darkness baseline-nuke paired with my 50% cold-debuff and I usually nuked for about 400-450 but with only 5 points in darkness the damage variance was rediculous, sometimes I'd hit for 500+ and the next nuke on the same person would land for maybe 200

 

[De_0ranjenaar]

solo runi:

Dark 50 = Full darkdamage (dah!)
Rune 20= For sum more power in the bolt @long range
sup 5= for self buff

Group Runi

Rune 47
Sup 26= autobulb
dark 5

im going for full darkness (pure evil )

 

[De_0ranjenaar]

dark also has -coldresist spell
So if u nook first ,the 2nd time will be doing alot more damage.

 

[Karl [DAOC]]

Originally posted by old.Lythande
and I have to disagree with Karl on energy not being resisted, I'd say about 90% of the enemies I usually run into are resistant to energy(not all of them with maxed resists ofcourse).

Kinda what i was trying to say came out wrong...

I mean Energy is a LOT less resisted then cold...

thx karl, ure a dorf too i think?

sure am

and for your reading pleasure, something i referd to recently...


http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=34457694&replies=0

Another fully viable specc is 50 Supp

teh problem with 50 Supp specced, that the 6 sec PBT aint that good for rvr... (sure it is for your grp) but manna loss and regen is seriously hinderd.. you will need a (in terms that ody will understand) power song 4 (PoC in mid) to compensate for the manna drain on a 6 sec pbt afaik... any 50 supp RMs wanna comment, i know there are a couple out there.

Karl

Karl

 

[De_0ranjenaar]

but runec
only has 2 bolts an ae breaks mezz

 

[th0rden]

your 2 bolts are absolutely immense in any situation excet whun u are jumped huge range, insane damage, with Wild Power2 you can crit for ridiculous amonts of dmg, even tanks go down.
yeh AE breaks mez...so? don't use it when someone has successfully casted AE Mez, and with the new mez 'nerf', ppl will be coming out of mez faster so it doesnt matter as much if u AE them. And ur AE is vital in keep/mfg defense/attack, farms RPs for us RMs.
As for the pwr drain on the 6s PBT, you wouldn't use it in RvR, u'd use the 10/8s one, and with Serenity2 your power loss will be negligable.
Not much point in a Dark RM getting 20 RC either. U'd be using a lvl 17 specc line bolt, not sure on it's dmg output in RvR, and you wouldn't even get the lowest cold debuff, don't see the point really..

 

[old.Odysseus]

thx for all the competent input dear mids, my theurg will come kill u all in the near future, just to show my heartfelt gratitude

 

[mele-nko]

facts:

* bolts suck, only inexperienced bolt casters say they are good.
Anyone with a little more rvr experience can tell u why they suck, and yes i too hit certain classes for high damage or even 1shot them, but the miss/blocked/combat/resist - hit ratio is nothing what it should be. DD's are your main weapon, bolts are just something u use now and then.

* debuffing your own damage isn't worth it 90% of the time. The castingtime u need to debuff your target can also be used to put out another nuke. Yes all of them will hit for less damage but u can cast more of them. If u happen to come across a Moose with 45% cold resist it's nice to be able to debuff him, but u should also consider that debuffs only last 15seconds and have a recast timer of 5 secs. (The classes where u need it the most are also the chars who might not go down in 15 seconds, or 6-7 casts)

* all resists will skyrocket, i'm a energy caster and comes across 45% or more resist cases aswell. Better get used to it

* running a 6sec pbt in combat, will effectivly take u out of it. There is no way your mana regeneration is gonna keep up with the most power consuming bladeturn + the most power consuming nukes. Unless u have a guaranteed Purity and a nice serenity lvl, you'll be out of power before u can say: "damn where did all that mana go"

* AE attacks are awesome, but only if u got a lot of it. 1 or 2 ae casters aren't gonna do much in an open battlefield, the damage drop of is to big for that. If u happen to have a team of lets say 5 AE casters it's a very nice to ae, aslong as u ALL do it and the healers have given u the Go sign.

* Nearsight is a must

* Kobold or Dwarf are your only real options for race, kobold for faster casting, dwarf for survivability. It doesn't really make that much of a difference, 0.1-0.2 sec faster casting versus 100~ more life.

 

[darbey]

I played a runey quite successfully on mordred to mid 20's , Full dark spec is the only way to go.

 

[old.Odysseus]

As i understand, RC is superior to dark in terms of solo abilities?

 

[th0rden]

In PvE your bolts will own every yellow con mob, oranges are pretty easy if u know the right ones. Dark soloers can do well if they know areas where mobs have cold weakness eg Vanern, but they eat up so much mana...whereas RC u just bolt, bolt, DD, root, rinse repeat
As for bolts in RvR, it really does depend on your grp. Majority of my guild members that i RvR with know not to repeatedly target invaders, so my bolts don't get 'blocked by an attacker' etc. But in MFG defense, you can sit up above the gate and bolt any caster that comes into range no problems. I have been using bolts since EU DAoC first went live, and i think that in the correct situations they are amazing, but in other situations their bugs are crippling My bolts are never resisted, and my capped dex means i miss only rarely.

 

[Karl [DAOC]]

Originally posted by th0rden
your 2 bolts are absolutely immense in any situation excet whun u are jumped huge range, insane damage, with Wild Power2 you can crit for ridiculous amonts of dmg, even tanks go down.

Bolts Suk in rvr... they are a big bag of balls, smell like shit and hit for less then shit would...

They are just to bugged and to slow casting... +250 range is not that great in rvr situations as other spells being 1500 (rather then 1850 bolts) is not that far to run to get into range, especially when my cast time is 4 seconds!

they are ok at walls etc, but just miss and get blocked to much

Wildpower 2 has nothing to do with it.. wildpower increases the chance to crit hit, not the ammount of dmg done on a crit hit

Ody.. my advice.. RC for lvling to 20 or 40 if u wish then respec to dark :/ but keep that pbt!

Karll

 

[Karl [DAOC]]

oh and go dwarf... i have 1042 HP atm, and can get that to 1103 if i sawp items about... but tend not to as it lowers my + on RC :/

 

[th0rden]

hrmm yeh kinda worded that wrong, meant that with wildpower2 you crit, and do insane amounts of dmg pff
I must be the only RM on Excal who reckons bolts are of any use, i find it very rewarding when a caster goes down to my 47 bolt, don't bother targetting tanks due to shields and the fact that they wear proper armour I reckon anything that can hit for over 900dmg (with MoM1) is pretty good .
As for lvling, go up to ur first respecc soloing with RC, respecc to Supp, get grps cus of ur pbt and respecc to whatever u want at 50. U level fastest that way imo, then when u want serious RvR u can respecc to what u really want
Dorf seriosuly is the best, the extra dex of a kobbie wont help u at lvl 50, since ur dex should be maxed out, and by the time u start casting that second spell you'll be dead :/

 

[old.Wildfire]

bloody hell... im going for a PvP runie as well (any major guilds still recruiting btw?), why cant it just be as simple as the fire wizzy plan? (50 fire, put the rest wherever you want)

 

[old.Odysseus]

copycat!

Thx karl, I'll take your advice

 

[cougar-]

when u rvr u use nukes in 99% of all fights, bolts are to slow and to buggy to use properly, go darkness or cry like me when its to late to change your mind.

 

[old.Wildfire]

Carving sounds more like my tastes to be honest - i have my nuker/bolter on excal, so if im going for something "slightly different" I want the carving spec for GTAOE and spirit spec, mainly.

47 Runecarving
26 Suppression
5 Darkness

 

[Torin]

Well .. i suggest to go full supression.

6 sec PBT - and you group will always be alive, and healers wil seldom need to heal at all

Nearsight - and almost forget other casters and archers - 65% decrease in range - that hearts .... it even hearts those damn champs

Snare on DD - it helps a lot in PvP enviroment allowing u to catch/run away from attackers

DD have descent damage

And Melenko stipulated that 6 sec PBT will drain your mana like creasy .... well, in RvR on usual server im choosing, what PBT to have on (usually i have 8 sec ... 6 sec is for keep reids/defends and MG campings) and serenity II and MCL almost negate that mana loss PBT doing .. and in group u will always have mana regen minimum +4 mana (POC in Mid) and it's absolutely anough.

Its just my suggestion.

PS: ive checked with other RMs - my DD outdamage RC's DD .. but surely Dark is more powerfull. But ALL try to get max resists on cold and heat because of eldrich/wizards and not all making a MUST of maxing energy resists

 

[th0rden]

Torin - the stats show that the Supp DD/snare does 1pt more dmg than the highest base RC DD, not the greatest of differences imo.

 

[infozwerg]

my rm is dorf, 47 rc / 26 supp.

if i remade him today, id choose norse instead. in term of stats, norse is strictly worse than dwarf. but being dwarf/kobbie makes you more of a primary target, just like we mids always target avalonians/saracens first.

dont bother to put points in dex, for casters starting dex doesnt really matter. 10 con/15 pie will do fine.

start out with darkness to 20, dont bother with self bt, its rather useless pve. rc is good in pve, but dark is far more mana-effective, thus youll lvl faster. respecc to supp at 20, get pbt at 26.

the viable templates are:

47 rc 26 supp -- rather gimped

bolts are useless, you cant even oneshot anyone with good equipment with rc bolt without a crit (1008 cap with mom II), miss a lot even with 300 dex and can use it only on casters and only if no one else hits/mezzes/nukes/shots it. will get gtae.

47 dark 26 supp -- standard rm

most rms did respecc to this. darkness ae does more dps than rc ae, but you would need to specc 50 dark to get it.

50 supp 20 rc -- best utility

ill respecc to this one. mana consumption is only a problem pve.

46 rc 19 supp 20 dark -- the "darkcarver"

46 rc for debuff, 19 supp for nearsight, 20 dark with items will give you ok variance on baseline dark nuke. this template does the most damage of all rm and was popular during the short time when resistance debuff was instacast.