Runemaster spec

[Taggart]

Hi, im just curious about which is the best way to spec a runemaster, ive seen darkness in action and looks like i might pick that, but i still don't know a great deal runecarving or supression.

Was thinking 47 darkness, 26 supression and 5 in runecarving.


Can you give me your thoughts please lads?

Thanks.

 

[AzuratMinimus]

some diffrent speccs

50 supp 20 rc

Gives 6 sec pbt, best nearsight a good dd snare, which owns for tank killing. The aoe dd is ok but not that extrem damage as rc one. The rc gives you some extra damage to the bolts and also gives the first gtaoe (not much damage but still nice to have for uncovering stealthers and keep taking)
Really groupfriendly specc that has good potential for soloing and rvr. Only bad side is that it drains a lot of mana.

50 supp 20 dark

Prolly the most groupfriendly one since it gives a little damage add also Same as the other supp specc otherwise. Little less bolt damage though.

47 rc 26 sup
Nice bolt damage, good aoe, sucky dd though. Can use the cold debuff spell thogether with the darkness baseline dd to get some nice damages though. Gives you 10 sec pbt and a decent near sight. Also the GTAoE. This is prolly the best for soloing, good in rvr. Bolts keep bugging though so it´s mostly good for sniping casters/archers. Has pbt so allways welcome in groups.

47 dark 26 sup
Heavey damage dds, sucky bolts. This is a very nice specc that gives you both pbt and a decent nearsight. Not the best for soloing really but you do pure evil damage in rvr.

50 dark 20 sup
I consider this specc gimped since it got no pbt at all. Gives you a really nice aoe but it´s not really worth giving up pbt for.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

You don't need pbt for RvR, which is the endgame goal anyway.

I'm going 50 dark / 20 supp myself. Hard getting groups, but I don't mind much.

 

[AzuratMinimus]

You don´t need pbt in rvr?

Lost count on how many times pbt has saved my life since i don´t have to stop and recast a single fend but can keep nuking instead. And rvr isn´t solo either nowdays, it´s groups vr groups so it helps keeping your groupmates alive also.

 

[Blue Ix]

Glad there's other people who feel they need to give up stuff for pbt, lets some of us runies go full dark.

Imo 10s pbt is a waste of power in most rvr-scenarios, seeing as how us runies can't stay very close to tanks in rvr anyway, and how often does a pbt save you where a /face-qc-(insert spell) doesn't? Stacked with another runie's 10s PBT it's actually decent, granted, but hey I like the ae dd and the last dmg add. ~<;

I'm 50, 19, 7 - Dark, Supp, Runecarving - two more pts RC to reduce the damage variance with the baseline bolt a lil bit rather than getting the next level snare ae dd. Snare ae dd is good and all, just not for dealing damage.

 

[Biermann]

Or you go 47rc 24dark and 11supp.
having bolts and nuking with baseline dark with colddebuff from rcline. good dmg and fast.

 

[1234Taz]

Im 47dark/26 going to respec to 50sup 20 RC why?, well next patch resist hard cap changes from 25%? to 50% and Dark been cold one of the easyest resists to get. You will see alot of, You hit for 250(-250) damage!. Also with cheap IP single target root isnt doing nothing when you gotta take of over 3k Hps with 30%/50% cold resist.

 

[Blue Ix]

Actually I think the cap of 26% resistances from items stays, and then another 24% from buffs (with albion having a third buff that stacks or something) - just like it's now. Most of the time I get about 460 (-90) and with like 2/50 people I get 260 (-240) something, when I notice those are around I just don't waste my power on them unless necessary.
Even though I've always had my mind set to doing Darkness till I'm sick of it and then respec to suppression. Will probably happen at around 1.53 with tanks getting boosts.

Originally posted by 1234Taz
Im 47dark/26 going to respec to 50sup 20 RC why?, well next patch resist hard cap changes from 25%? to 50% and Dark been cold one of the easyest resists to get. You will see alot of, You hit for 250(-250) damage!. Also with cheap IP single target root isnt doing nothing when you gotta take of over 3k Hps with 30%/50% cold resist.

 

[AzuratMinimus]

Well albion will start to get cold resistance soon, when most runies respecc to darkness, means hopefully they get rid of them silly energy resistances.

 

[Dook_Pug]

The resistances will only be apparent the first few weeks after respec.

When they realise that half of the exisiting Runies are going Supp/RC aswell as Dark they'll start to even out resistances.

50 Dark, 20 Supp for me

 

[old.mattshanes]

Blue you must have a great spec you hit dam hard hehe all i see is your name mainly on death messages

 

[Taggart]

Thx alot for ya advice all, big help

 

[Zebolt]

maybe, maybe not...

For the long way up to lvl 50 I think you should spec 26 supp as fast as possible then 47 dark, cuz' in PvE bolts really suck.

But when you have hit the big 50 its time for a respec. In RvR a single fight without buffing times seldon takes longer than 20 sec, then if you have 10 sec PBT it neutralize's 1 more point than if you didnt have it, so its not that usefull.

You should spec atleast 16 supp tho, so you can group fend your party in a quick movement.

Imo the best spec after lvl 50 is:

Dark 50, Supp 20.

Dark are faster which helps in RvR and with Mastery of the Art V you can get it really fast.

Most ppl say to me that I will miss my bolts from RC, but I dont think so. Bolts are mostly for killing casters, and only time I use them is in range fights which happens say 20% of all the times I fight. I prefer to be better against all the classes than just one and better all the 80% times we have closer combat...

 

[AzuratMinimus]

I don´t get why you would give up pbt for just a little better aoe, that´s basicly never used in rvr nowdays. Exept for keep raiding that is. You the better cold debuff dd, which i don´t see the point with either since you rarely get to nuke that much for it to make that much diffrence and the extra dmg add isn´t really much use for the runie anyway.

 

[Zebolt]

hmm...

Im not giving up PBT for the AoE. I give it up for the DD nukes.

And you will have much more fun while killing Legion, Dragon and high lvl mobs like that, cuz' with RC you hit them for 6 (-10) dmg or something. After a while with debuff cold you can hit atleast the dragon for 110 dmg!! You can finally do some good

 

[Kraben]

Im 50 dark / 20 and im very glad for it. Awsome DD's, good dam add and best AE.

Im ok with giving up first pbt to get the last dam add as last AE. pbt doenst work good i rvr imo. Chance for getting seperated from ur group are rather big in open scale rvr. Casters force is keep range and nuke/bolt/whatever away. I like more to give tanks a groupfend, so they can take it with them no matter how far away they are. I have deepest respect to fully sup runies though - 6 secs pbt rocks 10 secs are too slow..

As for the last AE I have found it absolutely amazing in some accasions. The speed of it is great and gets even better with high dex buffs. The ammount of AE damage u can poor out in no time are really awsome

As for last dam add, I love to dam add other realmmates. People going to bg stading on port platform, SB's, etc.

Well my 2 cents, and first post on barrys' world have been reading it alot, just havent created an account untill now ;-)

Kraben Lightbringer

 

[Glyph_mid]

I am 47 dark, 26 myself for the PBT and last dark DD.
It have made my exp'ing easy as everyone wants PBT, but i have been gimped solo until i get last DD which i get at lvl 50.
I didnt wanna go dark because i didnt think the last AOE of much and prefered the PBT, but as it is now i RvR alot, and i need that last AOE as mine gives 200 tops on main target, while my standard DDs give 400-600 dam
So i am prolly respeccing to 50 dark and 20 supp, just to get that nearsight, its a bless against hib casters

 

[Taggart]

Well with the looks of things lads ill change to 50 dark 20 sup. Wanna do asmuch damage as possible in rvr and with sounds of things this will be my best bet.

Thx all.

 

[old.Bubble]

melgar is the best runie i know
so i'd follow his spec
47 RC 26 supp seems like a good spec to me (even baseline RC nuke was htting for 400ish on epic tanks...not too shabby)

 

[Taggart]

Thats spec i got and have to say im not very impressed with it in RvR, thats why im going for 50 darkness rest sup. Damage i have dealt out to peeps has been a bit on the shite side at times.

 

[old.Bubble]

btw in 1.53 bolts are fixed
the reason why i say RC runies are better is because once they get in casting range i can normaly tool a mage...runies normaly just bolt me twice and walk over my corpse

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by old.Bubble
btw in 1.53 bolts are fixed
the reason why i say RC runies are better is because once they get in casting range i can normaly tool a mage...runies normaly just bolt me twice and walk over my corpse

Bolts are only viable in a 1v1 - 5v5 situation or in keep defenses.

For everyday use they quite literally suck. According to the yanks, bolts still suck despite the 'fix'.

I got on today and tested to see if the bolts had had any change, my first bolt actually blocked my second on a yellowcon mob. I went straight to my trainer and respecced after that.

I had planned to go 50 Dark, 20 Supp but after a long debate with Nightal I decided to go 47 Dark, 26 RC. When I say this to people their first reaction is "HAHA gimp! No PBT or nearsight!".

Facts are most Runies I've spoken to rarely use PBT in RvR, myself included so no real loss there. I lack a group BT which is the only downfall, but I see this as a fair trade for the damage I have been dishing out over the past few hours. As for nearsight, I'll miss it, but it'll be nerfed soon so no problems there.

With 47 Dark, 26 RC, 5 Supp I get:

Last Dark DD
6DPS castable damage add
Second GTAoE (always good for utility purposes and damage is okay)
Baseline bolt stability
15% Cold resist debuff

The damage Dark DDs do along with the casting time speaks for itself. Most fights I've been in since respeccing I've debuffed and nuked, hitting for in excess of 500 damage for those with average resists and 350 - 450 damage on thise with good resists. I'm absolutely loving this spec atm.

For levelling this spec isn't a good idea, but in RvR it rocks.

 

[old.Bubble]

i'm not dissing darkies
i just mean RC is a good option too that most people foget

just because the bolts do squat against tanks in RvR they still cap at around 920 on mages (oneshot etc)

 

[Taggart]

Yeah, bolts not bad against mages, killed mattshanes at amg last night with one hehe (sorry matt olde pal )

but dunno about anyone else, i get alot of you do 500(-200) crap at times :< must be alot of peeps with good resists

 

[old.tuppe]

all lines whit rm is fine on own way,
at keep/mg rc is great, simply standoffs,
pure field rvr, darkness is great
suppress is ok in both situation,
personally soon starting lvl my rm but still trying keep rc line in my priority, just for keep situations.

 

[lakih]

Originally posted by Melgar
Or you go 47rc 24dark and 11supp.
having bolts and nuking with baseline dark with colddebuff from rcline. good dmg and fast.

Trust me this hurts...

Guess it was those baseline darkness dd you hit me with the otherday outside yggdra boardergates. The dmg was 540ish, 570ish, 2x410ish... and i have 13% cold, 25% energy resist.

Well... atlest i onehit killed a graycon kobold with my shield :uhoh:

 

[Biermann]

I´ve respeced now (47rc, 24dark, 11supp) and i must say i like the new spec.

I still have the bolts and the evil rc-ae. I got gtae, which is quite usefull and i keep nearsight and singletarget bt. I loose pbt, but i can live with that.

What i´ve gained is lesser dmgvariance in the darkness baseline nuke, so i´m using the rc -50colddebuff and darkness baseline nuke.
I nuke lvl50s for 450-500 and if they got extremly good coldresist i hit them for around 350-400.

Since i got the debuff many of my nukes cap it´s dmg (495 with mom2) so i don´t need to be uberbuffed to do good dmg

 

[old.Ozird Rinfut]

I think i end up on Sup: 50, RC: 19, Dark: 7 on my runie

RC 19 gives you first GTAE, not huge damage but still nice. Also bolts get a less damagevariation.

7 dark gives 1st dmg add, and is always nice to buff a lowerlvl chars to help them out

Sup 50 is nice, pbt, snare.

Alternative is 46 sup, 27 rc and 7 dark.

Gives you all debuffs in RC and 2nd GTAE, you loose the last DD snare in sup, but maybe its worth it? (need to think more about this).

Last alternative is Sup 46, RC 19 and dark 19 (with 19 points spare).

 

[AzuratMinimus]

If you go for the 6 sec pbt i would advice you to get the last dd snare, since it very nice.

 

[old.Ozird Rinfut]

Originally posted by AzuratMinimus
If you go for the 6 sec pbt i would advice you to get the last dd snare, since it very nice.

Didnt quite get to check the stats on that one as the char builder on Catacombs show 35DD on all snares :/

Is the last DD worth smaller bolts, debuff and/or loss of GTAE?