Runemaster questions

[[Cerebus]]

I was considering making a runemaster for PvP but am unsure how to spec it.

Looking at a character builder I've come up with the following :

Darkness : 50
Suppression : 11
Runecarving : 17

Good or bad? I know I'm ignoring PBT but from what I've read it's not as great as everyone makes out. True or False?

Any help is much appreciated as always.

Thanks...

 

[old.mattshanes]

Although i am a theurg i consider pbt pointless in rvr,you best asking melgar,dook,nightal,rustane,thina or jenna i am sure they would advise you if you play midgard.

 

[Taggart]

Well i don't agree with matt, pbt saved me tons of times and thats with me only having the 10 sec one. Going 47 supp and rest either darkness or RC might be good, get really nice PBT, nearsight, snare DD and AE snare, its a good spec id say for pvp.

 

[old.mattshanes]

I just recast group pbt often i rather have speed.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

50 dark 20 supp is better, you get a nice nearsight.

 

[Biermann]

47rc, for bolts, ae, gtae and colddebuff
11supp, for nearsight and selfbt
24dark, for lesser variance with the darkness baseline lvl43 nuke.

Debuff with the -50colddebuff in rc-specline and then nuke with dark-baseline nuke. Works great!

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by Melgar
47rc, for bolts, ae, gtae and colddebuff
11supp, for nearsight and selfbt
24dark, for lesser variance with the darkness baseline lvl43 nuke.

Debuff with the -50colddebuff in rc-specline and then nuke with dark-baseline nuke. Works great!

I hated that spec! You gimp you!

What Ardrias said.

Darkness > ALL.

 

[thorungla]

Only played as full supp spec, and remaining in RC for the GTAOE during keep defence etc. Personally I love it, never feel im losing out cos my DD's only do a few hundred + snare (and often a crit courtesy of wild power) Solo I can still do 1k before someone reaches me, then its just a case of the usual CC, make some space and repeat.

For me rvr as a rune is always grouped, so im never trying to 'solo' someone. I negate enemy casters as much as poss with nearsight, provide the group with 6sec PBT, confuse any invader pets, provide backup CC with single roots and then DD as needed. Always enjoy it. The pow drain is noticeable but a few levels of serenity and MCL soon reduces the strain.

And when it comes to PVE and the never ending search for drops from WOW's, GG and Legion raids etc. us few remaining supp spec rune's are appreciated.

Really does depend what you want to get out of the game I suppose.

 

[[Cerebus]]

Thanks guys, much appreciated.

 

[Mandar]

why?

can someone explain to me why everyone says darkness?
on paper RC just looks so much better with the double bolts, gtaoe and aoe. yet everyone says to me that I am gimped and useless.
however..
I seem to do at least 2x the damage that dark specced runies my lvl do - I am surprised when any yellow con is still standing after a double bolt. I did very well in the BG with the aoe spells and any caster I hit went down in just 1 bolt. and I have reached 33 in a played time of 2 days 9 hours (much faster and a hell of a lot easier than anything else I ever played)

the plan was to have 26 in supp by the time I hit 40 so I could be usefull and accepted in malmo and race to 50 where my final spec is gonna be 47 RC, 26 Supp but more and more people keep telling me that is crap but nobody has told me why yet

 

[Taggart]

Maybe Darkness us more powerful then RC, but i feel your able to play a role in any part of rvr with that spec(47 rc, 26 supp). Some peeps have moaned about its damage, i really like the specced bolt in which ive nearly one shotted tons of lvl 50 casters with it, can be pain in arse though when its blocked or misses though

But id keep at spec u going for matey, its more interesting then dark, thats what i think anyway

 

[AzuratMinimus]

I think all 3 specc lines are as good, just requires diffrent ways off playing. Where darkness is prolly the easiest to play since it´s just nuke nuke

 

[Glyph_mid]

My runie is 47 dark, 26 supp which made her easy to get through groups as she had PBT.
On believe me, nothing is better than dark DD in stand-offs, you can get DD'ing for a MINIMUM (that would be with 32% cold resist, not considering buffs) of 325(-125), people with no cold resist its usually capped at 571.
Bolts are good, if the enemy is not using a shield, and NOT fighting anything, and you got patience to wait 20sec for it everytime.
The good thing about RC though is that you CAN 1-bolt casters, you got GTAOE, might give low damage, but damn its annoying, and you got a good AE spell, but the DDs can measure a darkness runemaster DD

 

[Biermann]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug


I hated that spec! You gimp you!

What Ardrias said.

Darkness > ALL.

We all think diffrent, i personally, love this spec, you still get all the good things in rc and you nuke with a better average than a full darkness nuker. The only downside is that it drains more mana.

I nuke for 400-500dmg(mom2) all the time, not counting the nice crits you get with wp3

 

[Sarnat]

I'd go either full supp (my L48 RM) or 47 dark/26 supp (currently L24 RM).

Suppression is best for PvE (well maybe not solo) and darkness is best for RvR. Suppression is also excelent in stand-offs as you can nerfsight the enemy and seriously hamper their combat abilities.

IMO, the last 2 spells in the darkness line are not worth the flexibility pbt gives you.

Ardrias, I think our whole GG group today would have loved it if you had had pbt ;P

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Cant reallly spec pbt for the few times I do PvE now, can I?

 

[andrilyn]

Originally posted by Melgar
I nuke for 400-500dmg(mom2) all the time, not counting the nice crits you get with wp3

Please nuke me for 1 time for 400 - 500, you always nuked me for 700 - 1000 and that was at lvl 50

 

[Biermann]

Originally posted by andrilyn


Please nuke me for 1 time for 400 - 500, you always nuked me for 700 - 1000 and that was at lvl 50

hmm, the most i can nuke for (in pvp) is 500+250crit, so i think you're talking about bolts. Bolts hit for 100-1500dmg, depending on many things.

 

[Lanfaer]

Originally posted by Melgar


hmm, the most i can nuke for (in pvp) is 500+250crit, so i think you're talking about bolts. Bolts hit for 100-1500dmg, depending on many things.

I've done a DD for ~650 + a crit of ~600 in PvP tho and the cap for darkness DD for me was around 658, when they dont resist that is.

 

[old.Gro]

Well, rm spec IS a matter of playing style. I've been 50 supp for a long time, and I can deff. say 6 sec pbt makes you a real hard target for archers.
Lately with few skalds I've had to keep speed up instead of pbt which made by best spell useless, and I wanted to try a new way of playing style so I respeced.
After inspiration of Radorm and Melgar I'm now 39 dark/4 supp/37 rc. Gave me a new role as primary nuker in RvR. I miss the snare but love the casting speed. This spec gave me the 2nd best of most things, 2nd best dark DD, 2nd best cold debuff, 2nd best bolt, 2nd best gtaoe and so on. I actually don't miss hearsight that much, since most casters just purge anyway (my experience) and most RvR is just large zerks these days anyway.
Oveall conklussion must be, pbt doesn't make the tanks protect you more or let you live longer (from others than archers) (again my personal experience)

 

[old.Ozird Rinfut]

What damage do you do on DD's Gro?

I do 250-350 + crit with my lvl50 sup dd nuke, and aint to bad i recon.

The drawback with supression is that it drains alot of power :/

Did the powerusage get better after you respecced?

 

[old.Gro]

Well, I use the debuff before nuke tactic. One thing to take into consiration is that dmg varry a LOT in RvR these days. Last night I landed one dark nuke with -289...!
Well, if I don't debuff I do about 200-300, after debuff 300-500. But then I too need to cast a debuff spell first, AND my nukes don't have snare ect... But I cast faster which I love.

Yes, I use way less pow these days, big diff. between using L50 supp nukes and L30ish debuff+nuke spells. I can get a lot more nukes of in the big fights than before... use the entire pow bar, burn mcl, and then nuke on. It actually happened a couple of times I went out of end of just pure casting. That would never happen before, 6 sec pbt just uses too much power.

The bad thing is that I have a much harder time soloing red con mobs now.. sooo easy with supp

[EDIT]
I have the choise of using both my L37 dark speced nuke, which nukes harder but longer cast time than my baseline L43 nuke. Use both a lot randomly tho depending on the situation so I haven't figured the excact diff. out yet dmg/cast time yet, but I do know the L37 is more mana efficient.

 

[evincar]

I respecced from the gimpy 47 RC / 26 Supp into something similar to Gro.

Now im 37 Dark / RC & 13 Supp.

Got 2 good bolts, GTAE, and 30% Cold debuff for my 37 Specced DArk nuke. Works pretty well..


/starts dreweling at the thought of a SC staff with 50 focus Dark / RC +4 Dark / RC...

-Evincar

 

[Blue Ix]

Spiritmaster > Runemaster

;|~

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by evincar
I respecced from the gimpy 47 RC / 26 Supp into something similar to Gro.

Now im 37 Dark / RC & 13 Supp.

Got 2 good bolts, GTAE, and 30% Cold debuff for my 37 Specced DArk nuke. Works pretty well..


/starts dreweling at the thought of a SC staff with 50 focus Dark / RC +4 Dark / RC...

-Evincar

I'd be interested to see how much you nuke for after the 30% debuff.

Also, how good are your bolts? Average damage etc...

 

[Riddler]

50 dark, 20(19) supp is teh pwn

with an RC runie in grp (hi Jenna ) that debuffs 50% cold i can do 1000+ dmg easily

with 1-2dark, 1 rc and 1 supp runie in grp, it starts to get fun

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Curious how you do 1000+, since the spellcap is 698

 

[Riddler]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Curious how you do 1000+, since the spellcap is 698

with crits ofc, and ill show u screenie of ~750 + crit if u want

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Yes, I'm happy to see you nuke over the spellcap

 

[doneagle]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Curious how you do 1000+, since the spellcap is 698

to my knowledge spellcap is not included debuff of that sort of magic. So a normal hit would be 698 but after debuff it can be higher then spellcap !.