Runemaster - Eldritch - wizard

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by old.Leel
The only thing that comes close in my experience is smite clerics, and that seems kinda wrong. Would expect fire wiz ae and void eld ae to be better than the cleric ae. [/B]

That's all the evidence I need....NERF SMITE CLERICS

 

[Flimgoblin]

Probably just perception... that and it's hard to get into 1500 range to lob that AoE lovin around with cloth

(then again it should be hard to do the same with chain and 1350... )

 

[old.Karamon]

At 1500 range you will get nearsighted, and hit by a couple of arrows.
At 1350 range you will get nearsighted, hit by 3 arrows, debuffed, snared, mezzed, stuned, and finally killed before casting any smite (if the enemies know what they're doing of course)

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by Eblessair
strange how fire wizard bolts seem to never take more than 1/4 of my hp

I dont waste bolts on ppl with shields, just r00t em. Go for those ickle kobalds (low hitpoints) and Elfs/Luris and ur laughing

And nearsight? Good for standoffs/keep defs but in a skrim u just go closer - no big deal - more risk yes - but u arent totally nullified.

 

[old.darkelf]

Originally posted by old.Karamon
At 1500 range you will get nearsighted, and hit by a couple of arrows.
At 1350 range you will get nearsighted, hit by 3 arrows, debuffed, snared, mezzed, stuned, and finally killed before casting any smite (if the enemies know what they're doing of course)

nerasight's range is 2300

 

[old.Takahome]

Join join, this is funny...

First of all, when u c a pbaoer (me being a slower pbaoer) drops 7 albs con yellow/blue in 15 sec u´ll learn wot´s DMG mean (no offense), sorry but I kept mention this, sooo funny to check log and found u killed all of em! (u just killed <name of that poor soul>!)

Now into the topic:

1. Fire wizzy´s the lvl 50 bolt´s got base dmg highest of all 331 if I´m rite. And they hit hardest, though RM´s r well nasty due to it´s energy base. Void eldritch... hard hitting... get out of BG and go r vs r at lvl 50 and when EA hits, and tell m how hard they hit!

2. Qc+root any time welcomed, if u even tried an assasin or got any remote idea of wot is CREEPING DEATH (lvl 34 CS and 6 sec STUN) u´ll know that the ONLY way of stop an assasin´s qc+mez/stun, in time u qc+root (with quake kind of reflex with a 3.0 spd wpn any assasin got and since they can even PA u inside a keep, happened to me once u must be prepared all the time), when u start move and the assasin´s rooted, u got already CD in, and by then I´d doubt a lot that u still alive, but hei, there´s the DOT doing its work, seriously, any decente NS/SB (k leave SB alone, they just 1 hit ko u) can dmg u not kill u, snared u and dot u, by the time u root any of em, u r already died, gratz if u can even launch a qc spell, but don´t xpect that u´ll kill em ^_^

3. BTW karamon, welcome to my world, our poor mana eldri´s got only 1350 spec "as crap as void" DD (will be 1500 in the patch 1.52 and yes it´ll hit here when r vs r r full of cabby since all other classes r already played till boredom)

4. At 1500 u got nearsighted, at 1875 (bolt) u got nearsighted, at 2300 u got nearsighted, but when aussie hits me, my nearsight´s ALWAYS too far away, now plz sb explain that to me (I know the GT crap, but I wanna know if a scout can REALLY shoot out of nearsight range, and if that´s true, don´t come and tell m about balance since it´s NOT definatly coz no hunter nor ranger can scape from nearsight!)

5. Xuthos killed m several times (btw all the times 46+ so orange con to me and me yellow) ONE shooted ALL the times, coz when ever I go, he can ALWAYS charse m down from BEHIND (sorry I´m not that good to use F11 all the times in frontier though lately I tend to use it more...) and do a bolt on my ass, counter that speed!

6. IMHO, RMs came out of all, since they can be dwarves with 90 con (wot´s 90 con? sth no other race will got at start stat!), the key to survive bolts and arrows and still being short small to target! The rms r one vs one king of the bolters, since they got all but they can always escape when needed, and nearsight won´t affect run speed, they can nearsight u too, they´ve got pbt but that´s not in accout of this but xping and so, they´ve got debuffs of energy and cold (hope daoc.catacomb is wrong... debuffs to hit higher with bolts?!?!) But an eldritch can survive and CC a bit better with both stun and ae mez and nearsight.

7. In conclusion, to kill yellows any of those above mentioned casters can do that easily, maybe a fire and void got easier life since they won´t need to kite (root crap, but fire wizzy should kill anything be4 it reaches due to spec DD). Fire wizard need group support to CC but hit harder, RM need ... can´t tnk anything, maybe mez/stun? , void eldritch need ... change their dmg type to matter

 

[old.Karamon]

I think the best caster is the runemaster.
Not sure about spec points or the far you can go, but they can chose from: pbt, nearsight, nice bolt, root and caster speed.

This allows the runemaster to kill decently and not get killed easy, that is always good, since dead fire wizards doesnt get rps ;-)



P.D. Tamahome I look forward to fight with you.. you will hit me 1st for sure but I warn you have to kill me in 9 secs or you are dead

 

[old.Takahome]

Do u sleep? ^_^

Damn ya u even sleep?

Yes I can kill ya but all depend on my luck, I know ur hp and so, just all depend on if u resist my mez/stun or not, don´t worry I´ll sure shoot u be4, hope I could have 1.52.. where they raised my range to 1500 >.<

Why am I worried? Firstly I need my dmg to be set to energy with next patch, next thing I´ve had ARDOK (sp?) a theurgist killed me... how? I started first (while he saw me), I mezzed first (resisted), I stunned first (TOO resisted) and he then nuked me, ok, so if I do all the stuffs first AND right, how can I lose that badly?

Anyway, my mana eldrith´s appealing to me more lately, looking 4ward to some good patch notes and a batte vs ya karamon, but within this patch, my job´s as hard as a NS vs a SB:

U can afford a couple of miss or wrong action, I can´t.

 

[Lambsbreed]

Originally posted by infozwerg
play smart

play dworf

cant be one shotted

have beard

w0rd up!

if (beard==white) sexy = TRUE;

 

[Flimgoblin]

Best caster is a cabalist...

Nearsight, AoE, Fast nukes, Life drains/transfers, Pet, Mana regen at lightning speed...

Could do with some more CC though

 

[old.Takahome]

^--- read above

U r rite, but as I said, they r as rare as DOB in our dearest hib to be found, so actually if u c a simulacrom in the shadows, it´ll be prolly a bug

 

[Lessurl]

True words are spoken in this thread. The eld void dd sucks big time. Bolts are nice, but worse than fire wiz? I've never checked, but that can't be right. Hib is supposed to be the magic realm right? Surely our mages should be better? Pah, that's another black mark against this game.
And in my rvr experience (limited to pre-patch, haven't rvred properly since then as i've been on holiday and am a lowbie in emain again thanks to bgs) mage battles normally come down to who lands the first blow, unless i try to take on a stupidly purple mage.

Anyway, startin from max bolt range void elds are pretty effective, especially if we get charged (this would be by a tank), it's just like fightin a mob then.
Bolt, bolt, stun, nukenukenukenuke. If they start too close i have some points in light for aoe mezz to allow me to get range. Plus if they get to me i have some utility points in mana for first disease, qc that on them and i can get away pretty easily. Of course, this is only a plan, i generally panic/am in wrong quickbar/amn't paying attention and get ganked in rvr.

I can't comment on rm's or fire wizzies as i haven't played em, only to say that enemy mages are my favourite target, and if i start first i have been known to take down purples without gettin hurt. Of course, all this is pre-patch as my only rvr experience since i got back from my hol has been gettin killed 3 times by same orange con norse sniper in mt collory whilst tryin to kill groves (each time i did the panic/not payin attention/wrong qb thing and never even got a spell off ) and gettin one hit backstabbed by darkomen at same groves the followin night.

Mt. Collory seems to have become infested with steathers since i went on my hols, before i went i used to xp there for hours without seeing an invader. Infact i went a whole 2 week period there and only saw me old m8 Murphys.

Come on u high lvl hibs, u moan about no rvr in emain, come to mount collory and clear out my favourite solo hunting area.

p.s LOL i seem to have got lost somewhere in this post and gone on to a different subject, u'll have to forgive me.

 

[old.Takahome]

Too many stealthers...

They´ve did in 1.52A... at least they said it that they´ll try to make things less friendly to an invader... I can´t imagine how can I get to snowdonia ALONE and gank any ppl getting out of there... It´s mostly V V V hard. While here out of DL/mt collory there r full of invaders, heheh, next time I´ll do /who cruachan and no /who emain

Anyway fire wizzys DO more dmg, but they´ve got that few utilities that they r mostly died if anyone approach em, they´ve got bolts, and SPEC DD. But in a 1 vs 1 position, fire wizzy can hardly win a void eldritch or a rc rm, a nearsight and game over ^_^

 

[Madonion Slicer]

Think it has already been said but if an even con Wiz and Eldritch came to blows, who ever gets the first bolt in would normally come out alive unless they missed!, on a cloth wearing foe i pretty much always hit for 350+ and then Critical for another 100 or so, no cloth wearing caster can survive that and if they do the following bolt or DD has them finished.

Think at the mo my HP are about 352 so i can easy be one shotted by a void bolt, so it comes down to the fastest fingers.

 

[old.Takahome]

Nearsight, nearsight...

Maybe most of the noob wizzys in alb never heard about it till they fight against a good specced RM or a light eldritch in BG or they hit lvl 45+ and find that in r vs r when u r nearsighted 4 2 min with no cure possible, u´ll feel it and fear it ^_^

Bolt = 1875 range, 4 sec cast time
Nearsight = 2300 range, 2 sec cast time (actually it cast that fast... maybe 1+ sec?)

With a touch of nearsight which all RM and eldritchs have (can´t tnk a caster w/o it) and it´ll hit ya 4 sure, FIRST, FAST, easy, and deadly. When it´s on u, ur bolt range´s reduced GREATLY, and it´ll be lower than a DD range, then u´ll tell m how u´ll try to 1 shoot anybody ^_^ And again, if u can´t 1 shot sb, qc+stun/mez´s still doable (doubtful since u can qc second bolt to prevent this)

 

[Belsameth]

a reply to someone saying Void should do more damage, hibernia being the caster realm.

here's the data taken straight from the (US) game
format is: lvl, name, dmg, type, power, cast time, range, damage type, cast delay

Void Eld:
46 Bolt of Uncreation 309 Bolt 30 4 1875 Cold 20 sec

Fire wiz:
50 Flame Spear 331 Bolt 33 4 1875 Heat 20 sec

RC Runemaster:
47 Sigil of Undoing 317 Bolt 30 4 1875 Cold 20 sec.


they basically do the least, though they get the (atm uber) pbaoe in the void line.
overall I think the Runemaster is the most versatile though, as you can't really go wrong with what line you spec
(RC for bolts, Supp for 6sec PBT, or Dark for 2sec nukes)
and they have the most utilities availible..

 

[Madonion Slicer]

Well maybe your just the best damn eldritch out there then, jesus i was making a statement you have to get all up tight.

If in the middle of a 20+ on 20+ battle you are able to pick me out of a crowd and nearsight well done, but i dont know about you but judging distance is pretty hard, many times i have had nearsight cast on me but if i am already casting a bolt then it will release and it will hit killing the target and cancelling the nearsight.

Nearsight is excellent tool i will admit, but hardly a killer if i get it on me i simple retreat to the back where others are rest and wait a couple of mins for it to wear off or the caster is killed and it cancels anyway.

This thread was about the hardest hitters, i if i had 1 of each caster and hit a the same con foe i would say that the Wizard would hit the hardest, but this is why i assume we have no utilitys like nearsight or speed or pbt, we have the damage so we suffer from no tools.

End of the day you spent a damn long time getting to 50 and i say gratz to you , but you have to accept that in some cases you not all powerful.

I am afraid i will never hit 50 with any character so your right i will never one shot you, but for those that except that a 24v24 is the same as a 50v50 then it can be done, and in the lower BG i did it many times.

I dont really want to bother with flames as this board has to much already and is becoming mono toned with the same crap.

But i agree with you and disagree with you on points, and i will leave it at that.

 

[infozwerg]

first disease, qc that on them and i can get away pretty easily.

nice plan, too bad disease wont help you at current patch.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by old.laughingboy

but for those that except that a 24v24 is the same as a 50v50 then it can be done, and in the lower BG i did it many times.

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I'll have to disagree. At lvl 24 there is a strong possibility that a void eld will still be specced 100% void and hence getting no utility spells (except that lurvely stun, but you wont be in range to use it as 2 bolts max you r dead). Therefore he will be in the same boat as the fire wizzy, except, as has previously been mentioned fire wizzys outdamage them.
But a lvl 50 void eld will have taken void to 46 for the last bolt and will have had extra points to play about with. Most likely putting the majority in light for nearsight and ae mezz. Now in a one v one unless the fire wizzy takes him by surprise he will find himself nearsighted and in no position to one bolt the eld.

Originally posted by infozwerg


nice plan, too bad disease wont help you at current patch.

Bugger

 

[old.Takahome]

Laughingboy, of course wizzys do more dmg!

Btw soul, eldritch´s got pbaoe in mana line

Laugh, it´s of course good argument, I can nearsight ya I´m pretty sure, 2300´s a long range, but of course, hardest hitting king will be wizzys ^_^

Powerful eldritchs? Hope it´s true, I´m v v v weak... till 1.52 I´ll still be an underdog wotever I do >.< (1.52 my lvl 50 DD´ll be 1500 range)... snif... Spudgie (lvl 48+ void eldritch) was hitting 230 (-12x) on a pally while I were hitting 225 (-125) on a cleric... Pretty sad :_(

Btw I luv PAing avalonians in BG with my pal´s NS (I know it´s OT, but I really luv it heheh)

 

[Release]

Being a Darkness RM myself, gotta say its all that i need. End spec will be 47dark, 26supp.


47dark gives me -----------

the last singal target DD (hit for around 350 on most targets with my 37DD so cant wait till i can get the 47DD)

2nd best AE+resist debuff

a good single tartget DD+resist debuff (normaly use this before my main DD, does ok dmg, and can often turn those -?? into +??)

2nd best dmg add (that stacks with skalds but doesnt work properly yet)


26supp gives me -----------

45% nearsight (good for pissing casters/archers off )

10sec pbt (good for keep raids, mg stand offs, normal RvR, saved me loads)

a confuse spell (so i can 1shot those Theurgist pets)


Extras -----------

run speed (might not be fatest but it sure saves me alot)

str+dex debuffs (only used in PvE)

base bolt (still get 1shot kills on casters with it)

 

[Belsameth]

Re: Laughingboy, of course wizzys do more dmg!

Originally posted by old.Takahome
Btw soul, eldritch´s got pbaoe in mana line

you're fairly right. I meant gtAoE though. my mistake

 

[old.Takahome]

NERF RMs

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Soulcatcher


you're fairly right. I meant gtAoE though. my mistake

I'm afraid i'm gonna have to correct u 2. Void aoe uber? hardly.

 

[Vireb]

Originally posted by Soulcatcher

Void Eld:
46 Bolt of Uncreation 309 Bolt 30 4 1875 Cold 20 sec

Fire wiz:
50 Flame Spear 331 Bolt 33 4 1875 Heat 20 sec

RC Runemaster:
47 Sigil of Undoing 317 Bolt 30 4 1875 Cold 20 sec.

[/B]

ok well as you see yes lvl 46 the bolt is lower but you got 4 more spec lvls to go ~(in melee usually around 9hp per lvl) therefore that makes void nearer to capping its max 125% of 309 dmg as all spells will fall into a 75%-125% dmg range (more specced after spell nearer to 125%) so yes at 46 its less dmg but at 50 na think it will own fire wiz and be close with a runie

 

[old.Cru]

Void elds are the best at single damage cause of kick@ss bolts and nukes.

 

[old.darkelf]

Originally posted by old.Cru
Void elds are the best at single damage cause of kick@ss bolts and nukes.

kick @ss bolts and nukes? u mean fire wizzard?