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polgra

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how do spec rm RA's at rr5 for best dmg? im full dark
 

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Hi there.

personally i prefer guaranteed dmg (aug acuity/mom) than the chance to crit (wild power)

what RAs u choose does also depend on what items you have.
Will u need mcl? - if u have tartaros and jacinas i wouldn't opt for it, u can also buy bounty pots.

whats your race? - my rm is dwarf so i have to make up for my lower cast speed with atleast aug dex 3, i usually now always use aug dex 4 within my RAs. if you r kob u won't need as much.

the best dmg for rm at RR5 with a full toa suit would be something like aug dex 3, aug acuity 3, mom3 and wild power 3. Personally at RR5 i went for something like aug dex 4, mom 3, mcl1 + purge1 which gives lightening fast nukes at good damage.

currently i am RR7L1 and have recently had my template finished. In the next few weeks i'm gunna try a lot of RA specs. things like...

aug dex 4 mom4 aug acuity 4
aug dex 4 moc3 mom 2 aug acuity 2 PD1 serenity1 lw1
aug dex4 mom 3 aug acuity 2 wild power 3 purge 2 PD1 lw1 etc.

Goodluck and feel free to pm Arumos ingame if u need anymore help.
Best thing to do is buy or farm a lot of RA respec stones and try different specs out.
 

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Well the augmented stat ra's depends upon your template, race and starting stats, so more info would be handy:p
 

Gotmagi

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On my rr 6 rm I got aug dex 3, mom 3, wp 3, aug acu 2 and purge 2.
Passives ftw
 

polgra

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IM a kobbie

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25 Dex
25 Pie

4 Spell Range Bonus
11 Spell Damage Bonus
10 Casting Speed Bonus
30 Power Percentage Bonus
 

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polgra said:
how do spec rm RA's at rr5 for best dmg? im full dark
on Fly (rr9), I took dex4, acu3, mom3, wp4, mcl2, purge1
 

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polgra said:
IM a kobbie

Hits: 184
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Pie: 111
Dex: 100

25 Dex
25 Pie

4 Spell Range Bonus
11 Spell Damage Bonus
10 Casting Speed Bonus
30 Power Percentage Bonus
Well when you high enough rank get max of:
aug dex 3
aug acuity 4
 

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Dex > WP > Acui > Actives > MoM

Is the order I use when taking RA's, never liked MoM really but each to his own.
 

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dex, wp, mcl2, acuity and whatever

if you are a grp player mainly then you wont need purge nor moc so go for passives

and wp4 ROX mom4 anytime
 

polgra

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im aug dex 3, aug auc 3, wp 3 and mom 3 now, need to respec?
 

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polgra said:
im aug dex 3, aug auc 3, wp 3 and mom 3 now, need to respec?
thats probably the best spec you can take at rr5, at 7l4 I specced dex3 mom3 wp3 acui3 purge2 mcl1 and pd2, purge is kinda necessary since its mostly played solo.
 

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vintervargen said:
no caster (except maybe cabalist) should be without mcl2 :/
agreek, thats why dex4, acu3, mom3, wp4, mcl2, purge1 xD at rr9 ^_^
 

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I just respecced my RM's RAs to:

Dex4, WP4, MoM1, Mcl2 if i remember correct :D

It's nice with Wp4 when darkness, since you crit on every 3rd nuke or so :)
 

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vintervargen said:
no caster (except maybe cabalist) should be without mcl2 :/
Guess it depends on your playstyle. Since im solo or in duo's most of the time i find i got plenty of power, hardly ever use tartaros/jacina's charges. Tho i did notice the few times i leeched at bigger fights or was in bigger groups i would run out of power a lot faster. So if you group a lot than mcl might be a better option but else i'd say having purge2 would be a lot more useful.
 

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well as said before it really depends on your playstyle.

dont forget about mastery of focus. Focus 1 should do, makes your lvl 47 darkspec nuke count as lvl 50.

aug dex: i'm not really sure if it makes 'that' much difference at high levels. 370-390-400 dex?? sure it will be faster, but is it noticeable? But high dex is always nice :)

purge 1-2 : personally i would love to have purge2, possibly even purge 3 cause i run around solo alot. I can save your life and it can win you fights.. if well played ofc.

moc 1 : uber for interupt :)

aug aquity, wp, mom : all dmg increasing ra's. I would wait with these before you have a descent base of RA's, like purge etc. Mezz or stun makes these ra's all useless.

mcl : very expensive for something easily replaced by items (power pot, jacina, tartaros, ...) I doubt you'll ever need it


so personally i would go : dex > focus > purge > dmg or moc (playstyle)
 

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Dacrath said:
Guess it depends on your playstyle. Since im solo or in duo's most of the time i find i got plenty of power, hardly ever use tartaros/jacina's charges. Tho i did notice the few times i leeched at bigger fights or was in bigger groups i would run out of power a lot faster. So if you group a lot than mcl might be a better option but else i'd say having purge2 would be a lot more useful.
how do you do? :(
I got 25% pp and I'm still going lop on a regular basis when solo/duoing.
 

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MCL1 is enough for a spec nuker until later realm ranks.

MOM > WP > Dex > AA imo, as far as pure dmg output goes. Not 100% sure about dex / aa, but its pretty obvious MOM > WP.
 

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Old.Ilum said:
MCL1 is enough for a spec nuker until later realm ranks.

MOM > WP > Dex > AA imo, as far as pure dmg output goes. Not 100% sure about dex / aa, but its pretty obvious MOM > WP.
Dexterity equals more DPS, higher DPS will make you able to do better damage then someone who nukes harder in the long run, dexterity is everything for a caster in my opinion if you can't get away enought nukes in a certain time you will be dead.

And lets take an example on MoM vs. WP

Say you hit for 500 without MoM then with MoM4(11%) that will put you at 555 damage per nuke and lets take a 3 nuke serie, 555 555 555 that equals 1665.

Same thing here but with WP4(27%) that will give you a 1 in 3 chance of getting atleast crit off, and even if its a bad crit it will outweight MoM in the long run, now you don't always get crits sure but they are very common with WP. And for the record here is a 3 nuke serie with WP4

500 500 650-700(usally what you will get) that equals 1650-1700 the drawback is that you might get a crit off and can't rely on it, but the good thing is that you will get lucky quite alot of times and pull of 650 700 650 nukes.
 

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tbh mom etc > dex purely because they increase dps at no power cost, sure some additional dex is nice but really dex3 at most imo until rr8+. Tests have proven that going for a balance of dmg increasing ras gives better overall dps than putting all your points into say wp. Oh and helme 27% roughly equates to a 1 in 4 chance, don't they teach you simple maths in swe ? :D
 

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siaka said:
tbh mom etc > dex purely because they increase dps at no power cost, sure some additional dex is nice but really dex3 at most imo until rr8+. Tests have proven that going for a balance of dmg increasing ras gives better overall dps than putting all your points into say wp. Oh and helme 27% roughly equates to a 1 in 4 chance, don't they teach you simple maths in swe ? :D
I suck at math, but when I think its 27 is closer to 30 then 20. and thus equals a 1/3 chance.

Also found this
Cost _ bonus _____ MoM _ WP _ AA _ best so far
0 ____ 0.0% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0.0%
1 ____ 2.0% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 2.0%
2 ____ 2.9% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 2.9%
2 ____ 2.8% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 2.9%
3 ____ 3.7% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 3.7%
4 ____ 4.0% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 4.0%
5 ____ 4.9% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 4.9%
5 ____ 4.8% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 4.9%
6 ____ 5.8% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 5.8%
8 ____ 6.8% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 6.8%
9 ____ 7.7% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 7.7%
9 ____ 7.5% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 7.7%
10 ___ 7.0% _____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 7.7%
11 ___ 8.0% _____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 8.0%
11 ___ 7.9% _____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 8.0%
12 ___ 9.4% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 9.4%
12 ___ 8.8% _____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 9.4%
14 ___ 9.9% _____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 9.9%
15 ___ 10.8% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 10.8%
15 ___ 10.6% ____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 10.8%
18 ___ 12.5% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 12.5%
20 ___ 12.5% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 0 ___ 12.5%
20 ___ 11.0% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 12.5%
21 ___ 13.4% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 1 ___ 13.4%
21 ___ 12.0% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 13.4%
21 ___ 11.9% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 13.4%
22 ___ 12.9% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 13.4%
24 ___ 15.2% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 2 ___ 15.2%
24 ___ 14.7% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 3 ___ 15.2%
24 ___ 14.0% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 15.2%
25 ___ 14.9% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 15.2%
25 ___ 14.7% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 15.2%
28 ___ 16.7% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 16.7%
30 ___ 17.4% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 3 ___ 17.4%
30 ___ 16.7% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 0 ___ 17.4%
31 ___ 17.6% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 1 ___ 17.6%
34 ___ 19.5% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 2 ___ 19.5%
34 ___ 19.0% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 3 ___ 19.5%
34 ___ 15.0% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 19.5%
35 ___ 16.0% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 19.5%
35 ___ 15.9% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 19.5%
36 ___ 17.0% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 19.5%
38 ___ 18.1% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 19.5%
39 ___ 19.0% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 19.5%
39 ___ 18.8% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 19.5%
40 ___ 21.8% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 3 ___ 21.8%
40 ___ 20.0% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 0 ___ 21.8%
41 ___ 21.0% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 1 ___ 21.8%
42 ___ 20.9% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 21.8%
44 ___ 22.9% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 2 ___ 22.9%
44 ___ 20.9% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 0 ___ 22.9%
45 ___ 21.8% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 1 ___ 22.9%
48 ___ 23.8% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 2 ___ 23.8%
48 ___ 23.3% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 3 ___ 23.8%
50 ___ 25.3% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 3 ___ 25.3%
50 ___ 24.6% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 4 ___ 25.3%
54 ___ 26.2% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 3 ___ 26.2%
54 ___ 24.3% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 0 ___ 26.2%
55 ___ 25.3% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 1 ___ 26.2%
58 ___ 27.3% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 2 ___ 27.3%
60 ___ 28.2% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 4 ___ 28.2%
 

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Helme said:
I suck at math, but when I think its 27 is closer to 30 then 20. and thus equals a 1/3 chance.

Also found this
Cost _ bonus _____ MoM _ WP _ AA _ best so far
0 ____ 0.0% _____ 0 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 0.0%
1 ____ 2.0% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 2.0%
2 ____ 2.9% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 2.9%
2 ____ 2.8% _____ 1 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 2.9%
3 ____ 3.7% _____ 1 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 3.7%
4 ____ 4.0% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 4.0%
5 ____ 4.9% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 4.9%
5 ____ 4.8% _____ 2 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 4.9%
6 ____ 5.8% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 5.8%
8 ____ 6.8% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 6.8%
9 ____ 7.7% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 7.7%
9 ____ 7.5% _____ 2 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 7.7%
10 ___ 7.0% _____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 7.7%
11 ___ 8.0% _____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 8.0%
11 ___ 7.9% _____ 3 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 8.0%
12 ___ 9.4% _____ 2 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 9.4%
12 ___ 8.8% _____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 9.4%
14 ___ 9.9% _____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 9.9%
15 ___ 10.8% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 10.8%
15 ___ 10.6% ____ 3 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 10.8%
18 ___ 12.5% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 12.5%
20 ___ 12.5% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 0 ___ 12.5%
20 ___ 11.0% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 12.5%
21 ___ 13.4% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 1 ___ 13.4%
21 ___ 12.0% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 13.4%
21 ___ 11.9% ____ 4 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 13.4%
22 ___ 12.9% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 13.4%
24 ___ 15.2% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 2 ___ 15.2%
24 ___ 14.7% ____ 3 ____ 2 ___ 3 ___ 15.2%
24 ___ 14.0% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 15.2%
25 ___ 14.9% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 15.2%
25 ___ 14.7% ____ 4 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 15.2%
28 ___ 16.7% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 16.7%
30 ___ 17.4% ____ 3 ____ 3 ___ 3 ___ 17.4%
30 ___ 16.7% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 0 ___ 17.4%
31 ___ 17.6% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 1 ___ 17.6%
34 ___ 19.5% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 2 ___ 19.5%
34 ___ 19.0% ____ 4 ____ 2 ___ 3 ___ 19.5%
34 ___ 15.0% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 0 ___ 19.5%
35 ___ 16.0% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 0 ___ 19.5%
35 ___ 15.9% ____ 5 ____ 0 ___ 1 ___ 19.5%
36 ___ 17.0% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 1 ___ 19.5%
38 ___ 18.1% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 0 ___ 19.5%
39 ___ 19.0% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 1 ___ 19.5%
39 ___ 18.8% ____ 5 ____ 1 ___ 2 ___ 19.5%
40 ___ 21.8% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 3 ___ 21.8%
40 ___ 20.0% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 0 ___ 21.8%
41 ___ 21.0% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 1 ___ 21.8%
42 ___ 20.9% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 2 ___ 21.8%
44 ___ 22.9% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 2 ___ 22.9%
44 ___ 20.9% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 0 ___ 22.9%
45 ___ 21.8% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 1 ___ 22.9%
48 ___ 23.8% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 2 ___ 23.8%
48 ___ 23.3% ____ 5 ____ 2 ___ 3 ___ 23.8%
50 ___ 25.3% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 3 ___ 25.3%
50 ___ 24.6% ____ 4 ____ 3 ___ 4 ___ 25.3%
54 ___ 26.2% ____ 5 ____ 3 ___ 3 ___ 26.2%
54 ___ 24.3% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 0 ___ 26.2%
55 ___ 25.3% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 1 ___ 26.2%
58 ___ 27.3% ____ 5 ____ 4 ___ 2 ___ 27.3%
60 ___ 28.2% ____ 4 ____ 4 ___ 4 ___ 28.2%
thats what I was referring to but couldn't be bothered to search for it, and 1/4 is 25%, 1/3 is 33.3%, 27 is closer to 25 ^^ :wub:
 

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Helme said:
Dexterity equals more DPS, higher DPS will make you able to do better damage then someone who nukes harder in the long run, dexterity is everything for a caster in my opinion if you can't get away enought nukes in a certain time you will be dead.

And lets take an example on MoM vs. WP

Say you hit for 500 without MoM then with MoM4(11%) that will put you at 555 damage per nuke and lets take a 3 nuke serie, 555 555 555 that equals 1665.

Same thing here but with WP4(27%) that will give you a 1 in 3 chance of getting atleast crit off, and even if its a bad crit it will outweight MoM in the long run, now you don't always get crits sure but they are very common with WP. And for the record here is a 3 nuke serie with WP4

500 500 650-700(usally what you will get) that equals 1650-1700 the drawback is that you might get a crit off and can't rely on it, but the good thing is that you will get lucky quite alot of times and pull of 650 700 650 nukes.
Yep, dexterity is more dps. MOM is also more DPS. Same with WP and Aug Acuity. MOM/WP/Aug acuity has the slight advantage of increase dmg without costing more power as already mentioned.

Also, as mentioned, your maths are a bit flawed. As far as I know, the smallest crit possible is 10%, and the highest is 50%. So the average crit is 30%.

MOM4 = 11%
WP4 = 27% x 0.3 = 8.1 %

You could say a lot about "yea but huge crit kills, mom makes no difference", but personally I think that's a pile of crap :p
 

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Mazzaca said:
how do you do? :(
I got 25% pp and I'm still going lop on a regular basis when solo/duoing.
Well i dont have lifetap so dont live as long as you perhaps? :p
 

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siaka said:
tbh mom etc > dex purely because they increase dps at no power cost, sure some additional dex is nice but really dex3 at most imo until rr8+. Tests have proven that going for a balance of dmg increasing ras gives better overall dps than putting all your points into say wp. Oh and helme 27% roughly equates to a 1 in 4 chance, don't they teach you simple maths in swe ? :D
base crit chance is 10% afaik.. add 27% to that and you have 37% meaning more than 1/3..
Dont they teach you not to speak before thinking in umm.. wherever you are from? ;)
 

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I dunno if I'm retarded or if I'm the only one to think of it, but I bet you guys have noticed that you even do crits without having specced WP? I don't know what the 'basic odds' for a crit are, but WP adds a per-centage to the already given chance to crit, meaning it's not 27% pure critchance but x + 27%.

edit : damn you poky ^^
 

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Mazzaca said:
I dunno if I'm retarded or if I'm the only one to think of it, but I bet you guys have noticed that you even do crits without having specced WP? I don't know what the 'basic odds' for a crit are, but WP adds a per-centage to the already given chance to crit, meaning it's not 27% pure critchance but x + 27%.

edit : damn you poky ^^
/flex ;)
 

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poky said:
base crit chance is 10% afaik.. add 27% to that and you have 37% meaning more than 1/3..
Dont they teach you not to speak before thinking in umm.. wherever you are from? ;)
well I didn't have the figures to hand detailing the specific increases in percentages from wp, I was merely commenting on the content of helmes post in which he stated wp4 was 27% or a 1 in 3 chance and backed this up in his next post by saying 27 is closer to 30 than 20 which makes little sense if you ask me :(
 

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siaka said:
well I didn't have the figures to hand detailing the specific increases in percentages from wp, I was merely commenting on the content of helmes post in which he stated wp4 was 27% or a 1 in 3 chance and backed this up in his next post by saying 27 is closer to 30 than 20 which makes little sense if you ask me :(
ok Ill give you that, helme might be very cute, but he seems to suck at maths :(
 

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