Respect the archers...

[Radix]

No this isnt really about respecting rangers. This is about realizing the sick shit assisting archers do. I see way too many defences and attacks falling apart when hibs keep forgetting, what happens when you stand still AND in bow range.

Yeah archers have it easy, but lets at least try and avoid the suicidal situations please...

One thing to remember is that if arrows hit you through a wall or 3, the archer is not cheating. Thats called volley and together with mastery of pain it looks like regular shots.

Moving forward you cant be hit by crits.

Maybe rangers got more things to keep in mind here.

 

[tookha]

Mastery of Pain does not affect archery, but ok

 

[Radix]

Oh ok then I really dont know how they manage to volley for sick damage ^^
edit: gotten hit by 600-800 from volley fairly often, always figured it must have been maxed out MoP.

 

[Spamb0t]

volley does same dmg as normal arrows sooo.

 

[Ziz]

Oh ok then I really dont know how they manage to volley for sick damage ^^
edit: gotten hit by 600-800 from volley fairly often, always figured it must have been maxed out MoP.

falcons eye is MoP for bows

 

[Deadnala]

Oh ok then I really dont know how they manage to volley for sick damage ^^
edit: gotten hit by 600-800 from volley fairly often, always figured it must have been maxed out MoP.

QQ

 

[Radix]

Yeah QQ
but hoping Rangers are doing same to enemies.

 

[Culanan]

Scouts are worse tbh, since they have better range and can happily whip out a shield after you hit them once and then you can't hit them.

Mind you I regurlarly fail to hit anything with volley (people move so much y'know), scouts>my range, so wajn at them first then come to us and don't even mention hunters

 

[Spamb0t]

volley is shit anyways :x
and ranger/scout range isnt much different.. however with relics scouts often hit for their cap dmg now

 

[YoungElf]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but scouts have better range and slower bows to deal damage

 

[Aiteal]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but scouts have better range and slower bows to deal damage

Range isnt that much better on a scout compared to a ranger, and rangers also have access to 99 qual immolated. Technically with a high PF damage add, I think given equal Dex and bow, a ranger hits harder once you figure in the DA, especially now that the dmg scaling with range bug has been fixed.

It's the shields on scouts that annoy me the most, not that I would trade CD for one mind you.
Poor hunters are just fupped and could do with a little loving imo.

 

[crispy]

No this isnt really about respecting rangers. This is about realizing the sick shit assisting archers do.

It may seem like assisting to you, but there is simply so many scouts, so them not hitting the same target is impossible

edit:
oh.. thought you were talking about archers in general, and not just rangers

 

[Culanan]

Range isnt that much better on a scout compared to a ranger, and rangers also have access to 99 qual immolated. Technically with a high PF damage add, I think given equal Dex and bow, a ranger hits harder once you figure in the DA, especially now that the dmg scaling with range bug has been fixed.

It's the shields on scouts that annoy me the most, not that I would trade CD for one mind you.
Poor hunters are just fupped and could do with a little loving imo.

Scouts regurlarly shoot me from distances they could take a crap from whilst waving brown tissue in my direction and I couldn't hit them, once you factor in elevation and range bonuses it adds up to enough that they can hit you pretty easily from the bottom of a tower, I seem to get loads of LOS issues at towers/keeps, I've been stood on top of people who could hit their target and I kept getting the "you can't see your target" msgs

 

[Aiteal]

Scouts regurlarly shoot me from distances they could take a crap from whilst waving brown tissue in my direction and I couldn't hit them, once you factor in elevation and range bonuses it adds up to enough that they can hit you pretty easily from the bottom of a tower, I seem to get loads of LOS issues at towers/keeps, I've been stood on top of people who could hit their target and I kept getting the "you can't see your target" msgs

I have +8% archery range in my template, and with the braggarts summoned arrows I don't normally have any problems with the distance, it's getting the hell out of dodge when they fire back is the problem.

Trueshot can quite easily pop casters' bubbles ontop of level 10 towers if my recollection of Gorre is correct (haven't bothered with it on Excal though).

LOS does suck at times, aye.

 

[Spamb0t]

i got 10 range +5 from braggarts arrows, got no problem at all with reaching scouts that reach me.

 

[Meradesh]

Scouts have higher dmg cap on same spec and same bow speed, rangers can get higher dps with bow if they get a freak spec, 46 path 50 bow, that's a 9'4 dps dmg add, and dmg add doesn't lows with rapid fire so u get something like 18'8 dps dmg add with rapidfire, anyway with this spec ur melee skill will be something like 15, scouts doesn't need to sacrifice so much melee skill to get uber bow dmg.

 

[Spamb0t]

uuh id think that at same bowspec + same bow spd ranger and scout would have same cap dmg?

 

[Meradesh]

Forget what I said about dmg cap tested with a scout, my cap at rr5 was 1050 on 5.1 spd bow, 65rb 7% archery dmg the scout had 7% arch dmg and 69 bow he had almost 1200 dmg cap on crit, it was too much difference with only 4 points at bow skill and dex doesn't changes the dmg cap, but just tested it on my bot 635 Af scale and I'm getting shots of 1116 with my new 66rb skill, I'm surprised with the dmg increase from 65 to 66.

 

[Meradesh]

Bah it's too late was shoting with a 5.5 spd bow, my cap dmg is3 hits higher with 66 rb so surely, scouts have higher dmg cap on bow.

 

[Spamb0t]

doubt it ;-o


http://daoc.nisrv.com/modules.php?name=Critshot_Cap_Calc
that thingy seems to be correct for me
and uuh theres no way to chose class so id think its same for all archers

 

[Meradesh]

well each skill point raises cap dmg on 3 she should have 1062 dmg cap but she has 1100+