Respec to BladeShade?

[Dances With NOobs]

Atm Im 37 pierce 44crit and basically only use crit styles. Would i get more dmg using blades as ive just recently done battler enc. and see that it can only be activated as slash ;-(

Can any of you more experienced shade players advise me wether to respec my 37 pierce to 37 blades for base dmg on my crit styles or is there some other awesome arti that would better suit my spec?

So the choice is ... blades with battler/?other arti or
stay pierce ?arti/?arti

Advise plz

p.s. I have yet to reach 50 and get myself sc'd gear so i have not yet decided on a final template (suggestions/threads welcome)

Thnx for any advice...

 

[Jaem-]

Wouldn't recomend going blades without buying Purge, and plus NS have Remedy at rr5, as debuffs will nerf your dmg by a lot.

But I believe theres quite a few trying out blades lately, maybe Vf can let you into alil more info.

 

[Dances With NOobs]

to blade or not to blade

good advice, keep it coming ;-)

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

Blades have slightly higher dmg table i believe, but thrust does have the ace style "Diamondback" wich is an excellent tool in those fights u dont get off PA+CD.
Blades is also purely str based wich make you alot more vulnerable to assassin debuffs where pierce is str/dex based (50/50%)
As using Battler is less effective than using LW anyway so i dont think you should use an artifact as the reason why you respec, but if you find Blades as spec more attractive after you have researched merits and flaws about the specline it wont be stupid, just different

all in all it's just a matter of taste, i dont know the blades spec as well as pierce, but the only reasons i specced pierce is "Diamondback" and the fact that it's 50% dex based and not being affected so much by assassin venoms.

 

[Dances With NOobs]

Reason to respec

The reason im thinking of respeccing is this:
In Nf its a matter of picking out the weakling, hit him as hard as you can.
Do enought dmg in 2-3 hits to get him near death that as u run away hes either dead or your posion will finish him off. By this time 50 albs are gonna have targeted me and are gonna want revenge for there fallen comrade (que vanish ;-).

So I want to deal as much dmg in a short as time possible, before the zerg kills me before I need to get that last hit in... If that means giving D'back (im gonna be killed by the zerg anyway if im still swinging away hoping for an evade).

But im still a NS noob, so id love to hear some experiences from the higher RR's from both specs.

But if ur saying I can do as much dmg specced as I am with some LW then theres no reason to respec I spose..

So discuss pro's cons and enlighten this noob ;-)

 

[Hysterica]

Atm Im 37 pierce 44crit and basically only use crit styles. Would i get more dmg using blades as ive just recently done battler enc. and see that it can only be activated as slash ;-(

Can any of you more experienced shade players advise me wether to respec my 37 pierce to 37 blades for base dmg on my crit styles or is there some other awesome arti that would better suit my spec?

So the choice is ... blades with battler/?other arti or
stay pierce ?arti/?arti

Advise plz

p.s. I have yet to reach 50 and get myself sc'd gear so i have not yet decided on a final template (suggestions/threads welcome)

Thnx for any advice...

My spec:

31 blade
50 cs
30 env
30 stealth
34 cd
+20 all

Malice/battler totally destroys sbs 400+ dam on gar/ah then you face the infils with 3 str relics..................... Switch to fire weapon and you find a saracan with 31% heat + 10 from aom3 zzzzzzzzz spec af buff yay.

I got my ass kicked by several low rank full toa infs with dual heaters even with remedy and 26+10 aom3+10 em1 fire resist.

3 str relics on infs is just retard i feel sorry for sbs even more.

Anyway /retired on my ns till catacombs or so im powerlvling my ranger atm xD

 

[Vodkafairy]

id stay pierce, get as high dex/str/con/hit cap as you can, use 2 x legendary and battler or malice on your back for the lvl 10 charge

id say blade is better at higher rank and if you're really really dedicated to optimising your char, but also, putting so much effort in is a waste because 99% of your fights damage wont be the winning factor because of all the adds you get

stay pierce until you get more experienced, if you can't see the advantages blade can have by yourself, i wouldn't respec yet. its not meant harsh or anything, just saying that you need a certain level of dedication and knowledge before you will be able to use blade to its fullest potential

 

[Milne]

If you respec the CS to the ER that you currently have, then replace the RW with the PO you have atm.
But the main thing is max your IO points.
Duh! :touch:

 

[Hysterica]

If you respec the CS to the ER that you currently have, then replace the RW with the PO you have atm.
But the main thing is max your IO points.
Duh! :touch:

lol can you talk even more crap then a 12 year old spanish noob?

 

[Milne]

lol can you talk even more crap then a 12 year old spanish noob?

It certainly does look that way...

 

[Gesta]

golden spear is an excellent tool for higher PA dmg, PA with that and then swap to another heater or whatever you prefer fighting with.

 

[Hysterica]

golden spear is an excellent tool for higher PA dmg, PA with that and then swap to another heater or whatever you prefer fighting with.

Its been tested speed of weapon does not effect perf dam

 

[Sarumancer]

been some interesting studies done on the US servers on 'Wyrds' spec.

Bascially, it appears, that 50-51 spec in your primary (ie pierce or blades) caps your damage output. That is to say, spec + bonuses + realm bonus == 51.

So an rr5 shade could have 11+4== 15 in bonus, 51-15 ==36 points in blade or pierce and max their damage output.

The trick is, to up CD and Critical strike, then rely upon CS styles for your damage output, ie hamstring and leaper, throwing in diamondback to assist you here and there.

The effect is quite noticible, as because your damage skill is 'capped' you gain no more bonus for over 51 (bar a small return in weaponskill). Evade rates both for and against remain consistent and the extra skill points available allow a much higher cd and enhanced cs (along with poisons), allowing shades to be MUCH nastier in melee.

Rangers too can garner a benefit from speccing in a similar fashion, the pierce + bonus hits 51, allowing a higher CD spec, and I do a LOT more damage over time when Im consistently swinging both weapons 50%+ of the time as opposed to 30% or less. Add in being able to throw points into pathfinding, and you get the damage add.

If you can use CD styles, your damage output will be vastly improved over pure pierce, when you count in the dual hits with dual damage adds. Given Pryd/Hibs have all 3 str relics at the moment, my rr 3 ranger is hitting like a train with just ordinary weapons (pierce is 50% dex 50% str). I shudder to think what a bladeshade could output with the hamstring/garrotte/leaper combo....

Just a consideration mind you, the VN boards are abuzz with it, I can only speak for my rangers returns, a shade would have MUCH more effect with the 51 'weapon' and boosted cs/cd.

 

[Gesta]

must be the small amount of additional strength i get from the golden spear plus the additonal melee dmg that makes it hit harder on a PA then

 

[Neffneff]

Maybe it doesnt affect the CS PA dmg (that's the dmg inside the brackets..ie

you perform PA perfectly(+400)
you hit whatsnot for 200 dmg)

but the wpn spd will afect the normal dmg ont he second line....so it'll grab you more dmg that way

unles ofc im a complete noob and dont know what im talkin about as i dont actually have a shade myself.

 

[Marath]

I would stay pierce. You can still use battler charge keeping it in 2h slot.
Lw damage is better to use on pierce though (sb resistant to pierce damage).
Having 5sec stun straight off evade will win you fights (silly to have it straight from sb pov). Basicly you stun your enemy every fight vs sb maybe 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 if they strafe/jump around.

Only reason to go slash is the arties and pwning sbs/hunters and Im sorry remedy gets fixed so debuff kills your weaponskill then. (remedy supposed to only stop dot and not all poisons and weapon procs like it does now).

Imo best thing about lws is identical stats so you can swap em out for repoisoning.