Respec and Autotraining

[Flimgoblin]

There seems to be lots of confusion about how autotraining skills work with the respec...

I'll do my best to clarify it with some examples...

If you respec (not that you want to... DONT RESPEC.... go recite the mantra)

your skills are reset to their minimums for your level...

i.e. at level 48 (the last autotrain level) any autotrained skills will be dropped to 12

Most of the confusion is around how many points you get back...

If you go from, say, 48 slash to 12 slash as a Mercenary (they autotrain slash) you will regain those 36 levels of points... the first 12 levels (approx 77 spec points) are left in the slash skill. We're assuming you trained as you levelled up here, so you've spent 12 levels into slash that you can't take back out.

If you respec your 48 crush to 1, you gain back all the levels you spent on it.

Meanwhile your thrust will have autotrained to 12 for free (a gain of 77 spec points... but in a useless skill to you)

another example:
Infiltrator, level 48

Has autotrained stealth till level 44 (11 levels) then started training to 36.
Upon respec, her stealth skill drops to 12, the 11 auto-trained points for free plus the one point trained.

Basically, if you specced into a skill that autotrained and respec into one that didn't, you'll be losing some points.
If you respec from one autotrained skill to another, you're breaking even.
If you respec from a non-autotraining skill to an autotraining one, you're gaining points.


I.e. Slash Merc goes to Crush, loses 77 spec points (locked into the Slash skill)
Slash Merc goes to Thrust, loses 77 spec points locked into slash, but gains 77 due to Thrust autotraining.
Crush merc goes to Slash, gains 77 spec points from the autotrained slash.


Hope that clears things up and doesn't just muddy the water

 

[[DK]hakke]

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Have read, but I am pretty tired and i dont understand atm
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Crush merc goes to Slash, gains 77 spec points from the autotrained slash.


50 slash 50 dw 28 parry leaves me with 26 leftover pts.
But do i gain 77 + that? So i can have:

50 slash
50 dw
30 parry
7 shield

26pts + 77 = 103 (2 parry, 7 shield)

 

[Flimgoblin]

Should do

 

[old.LandShark]

Originally posted by Fingoniel

Basically, if you specced into a skill that autotrained and respec into one that didn't, you'll be losing some points.
If you respec from one autotrained skill to another, you're breaking even.
If you respec from a non-autotraining skill to an autotraining one, you're gaining points.

Ignore all the examples if you don't understand folks, that's the bit that's important. (and it's correct)
n1 Fing0

 

[[DK]hakke]

just tested it, it works

 

[old.job]

When you say don't respec, surely some respec can't hurt, what does minimum spec mean, will I be able to pinch that point from crush damage for example, or is that a minimum which I can't have.

Let's face it if you have a lvl 50 whatever that you don't use much anymore, respeccing could give it a whole new life.

 

[Flimgoblin]

if your crush autotrained then you can't get it back... if you put 2 points into crush as a newbie and wish you hadn't then you can get it back

(assuming you didn't train it to 3, then levelled up and autotrain took it to 12 - then you'd be stuck with it)

respec _can_ be helpful, but don't use it just to join the 'uber of the month' club for one you'll not do as well at first due to relearning your character. And secondly, they might not be uber next month

 

[thorungla]

I still dont consider this issue resolved, until I can test it for myself especially given the following GOA CS reply.

Subject
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Respec Query for upcoming patch


Discussion Thread
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Response (CS) - 11/04/2002 11:39 AM
Greetings,

Yes, you do "lose" the auto-train points.

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European Dark Age of Camelot Customer Support

10/31/2002 04:49 PM
Having read the respec notes for 1.52 I have a further query regarding the affect of respec on autotrained skills. As per your 1.52 notes:

"NOTE: if your class has a "min spec level" on any specialization then you will be taken down to the minimum allowed when you do a /respec all based on your level. You cannot go under your class minimum (based on your level) for those specializations."

As a Shadowblade having autotrained stealth, so far to spec level 10 as I have just dinged 40, I would like/intend to respec from axe to sword for purely aesthetic reasons. However I am concerned about my auto trained stealth. I understand upon respec it will be dropped to the minimum for my level, ie. in my case 10. However will these autotrained points now have cost me specialisation points? And will I be able to continue autotraining the skill further?

Most of the community I have discussed this with beleive that respec. 'returns' specialisation points to you, and as such for auto trained skills will 'return' you less as it is only dropped to the minimum appropriate for your level. This is potenitally very expensive for classes such as the warrior with all weapons autotrained as a level 50 warrior respeccing will lose 231 spec points. Please could you confirm exactly how this does work, either to myself or the community before the patch is released to help prevent possible respec mistakes by many.

 

[Flimgoblin]

your stealth will drop to 10, if it's above 10 you get back the points.
(at your level, at level 48 it'd be 12)


If you had a level 48 warrior with
Sword 12 (autotrained)
Axe 48 (trained since he were a Viking)

He's paid 0 for the sword level 12
He's paid the _full price_ for his 48 axe. (1175 spec points)

we'll ignore all the rest of the spec points for now

If he respecs he'll be

Sword 12
Axe 12

with 1098 spec points spare... 77 of the points he spent in axe are gone forever. He doesn't lose or gain any new points from his auto-trained sword spec. It just stays at 12.

If he changes to sword, he's fine - he gets back the 77 points due to the free autotrain in sword.

If he changes to a non-autotraining skill he'll not be able to get to level 48, he'll only have enough points to buy 46 in the non-auto-training skill.

 

[thorungla]

My question was basically - if I have autotrained a line, and respec the same line to the same level, because full respec is the only option open me and forces this to happen even though I am just wanting to change another spec line, will I lose those 77 free points in stealth from auto training.

The answer from GOA rightnow is: "Yes, you do "lose" the auto-train points."

Im still not convinced, but am not going to risk losing 77 points without being able to test. So anyone level 40+ that has autotrained skills should be very wary and completely understand what they are doing

 

[krait]

My problem is that i put 15 points into thrust at some point even though i only use slash
I also put some points into other lines which is why i'll be respeccing ,but instead of getting my template of 44 slash ,50 shield ,37 parry it seems i will only be able to get to 44/50/36 because of those 15 points spent in thrust.
If i do'nt respec i'll only be able to get to 44/50/35.

Am i correct in my assumption that this will be the case or will i still be able to get to the original template or will it be even worse ?

 

[keludm]

Ok heres a question from the other side - im an infil who didnt auto train stealth.

If i respec now can I take stealth down to 1 and have it autotrained thus gaining the benefit of autotrain retrospectively?

 

[Bilf]

Basically.. no.

 

[Flimgoblin]

I'm pretty sure you don't lose any autotrained points... but you don't gain any points you put into an autotrained line back..

I should have taken some numbers when I respecced on Gorre

in fact you definitely don't...

I had 12 autotrained in thrust

I respecced, it stayed at 12, my slash went down to 12, and I managed to retrain everything back up to what it was (apart from the 7 points in shield which got me another point of DW )

so, you don't lose any autotrained points, and you don't gain any points back that you put in the autotrain.

Doublechecked on catacombs - I've neither gained nor lost any points by respeccing (I only removed my shield skill, so my non-autotrained slash went back into non-autotrained slash, my auto-trained thrust did not suddenly start costing spec-points)
so you'll be fine