Reply thread to To the people wanting to turn Prydwen into Excalibur #2

[Cernos]

Most Hib classes are generally fine (there's some things which need adjusting, but nothing major). What Hib needs is population. I think we do pretty well for our numbers, but there's too few people playing Hib and I think Prydwen RvR would be more fun for everyone with more Hibs out in RvR (in a non zerging sense).

 

[Caeli]

Originally posted by Edlina
You said 1.62 screamed nerf the mids though, when it lowers LA to the level of the other realms similar skills and up the mids casters, oh, and was supposed to be Hib-love patch, think they went away from that before they begun it tho

No hiblove in 1.62? Have you read the patchnotes at all? Boosted/tweaked/fixed Bard, Enchanter, Mentalist, Warden, Blademaster, Nightshade, Valewalker, Animists, Eldritch. That's not hibloving?
And about lowering ability X to other realms ability Y... How come SMs have crap pets considering chanters have nice ones, better lower chanter pets. And infils have more specpoints then SB/NS, better lower that. Hero stagform.. Armsman/Warrior doesn't get that, better tweak that aswell. Not saying that LA shouldn't be tweaked, but talking about making it the same as the rest is a bad idea imo, and the current implementation will hurt zerkers (ofc) but more so SBs, imo anyway.
In the end if all realms have the same stuff, why not just remove all other realms and just have Albion, Albgard and Albernia, would that be balanced? Yes. Would it be fun? No.
My 2 coppers atleast.

 

[Shike]

Cernos, do me a favour mate, next time you guys have some big raid ongoing, be it dragonraid, relicraid or whatever, check how many 50's you have online.

What really striked me in hibernia was that people that play in Hibernia actually play a lot less than the average Mid or Alb, there is one big reason to why hibbies feel they always are severely outnumbered.

Last time I did a /who 50 in Hib and wondered what in hell people are complaining about there was over 100 lvl 50s online, were they RvRing like mad and taking keeps and harrassing Albs and Mids frontier? (this was not a onetime thing, it happened a lot) Hell no, most was PvEing and Crafting. Get the PvEmaniacs to RvR more and you guys will be fine I think, its not the numbers of players that cause hib to be the underdog in RvR, its the hibbies themselves imo, may sound harsch or something, but look around Cernos, visit the craftingareas and popular PvEplaces and count, and imagine what those numbers could do in RvR.

There is a reason I quitted hib and that is the only reason, the day hibbies start to worry about their frontier and begin to be interested in RvR, Prydwen will be a better server for you guys to RvR in I think.

 

[pudzy]

Only hibs I see who rvr are eclipse and hds. Thats prolly leaves alot of guilds that dont. When the random hibs DO rvr they mostly get owned because of lack of experience, imo, their very messy to fight unless your against the above named guilds, seems when im vs albs they mez/chop me up fast on my savage, when I'm against hibs I'll happily take down around 10ppl without being CC'd, they just try and hit me.

btw lastnight in Odins, there was a zerge at hmg, quite fun, I had some Firby attacking me for ages, I think I evaded everyone of his hits whilst killing others, he was in complete black dye's, if you read this tell me what class u r please .

AND BTW

I've heard alot that hibs dont use buffbots, I've never heard the term 'buffshade' only 'buffblade' 'buffill' - our guild group visited HMG lastnight where we found Pincar has died to a NS who was on about 100hp, on killing him he dropped 6 buffs, proving even hibs have bot's .

 

[Garnet]

stlong

 

[Nightchill]

Originally posted by Shike

Last time I did a /who 50 in Hib and wondered what in hell people are complaining about there was over 100 lvl 50s online, were they RvRing like mad and taking keeps and harrassing Albs and Mids frontier? (this was not a onetime thing, it happened a lot) Hell no, most was PvEing and Crafting.

pretty similar everywhere afaik.

 

[)nick(]

There are max 400 people online at primetime on hib prydwen compared to 800 on alb or mid. This basically means there are half the amount of people who are interested in RVRing. It's no conspiracy and we don't PVE a lot more than any of the other realms, it's just simple maths!

 

[zapzap]

Primetime looks more like this ATM 400 hibs 600 mids 800 albs.
Just have 200 of thoese 600 mids doing RvR.

Careless-Zapsi

 

[Vindici]

Originally posted by pudzy
I've heard alot that hibs dont use buffbots

Hmm. weird thinking in this thread. Er why is hib different to any other realm? I guess we have a few less '1337 dudes' but why wouldnt we use buffbots? I see plenty around and some of my friends have them so i use them occasionally.

Originally posted by pudzy
Only hibs I see who rvr are eclipse and hds. Thats prolly leaves alot of guilds that dont. When the random hibs DO rvr they mostly get owned because of lack of experience, imo, their very messy to fight unless your against the above named guilds, seems when im vs albs they mez/chop me up fast on my savage, when I'm against hibs I'll happily take down around 10ppl without being CC'd, they just try and hit me.

Riiiight. I've run in random groups countless times and never had any trouble against mids/albs unless we come up a group thats more balanced/higher rr than us. And then when i do run in an organised guild group we've quite happily spent hours in emain/odins farming you all with no deaths. Then equally we've been beaten by other guilds or zerged over and over again some nights. Its just how it goes.

Just dont understand why people are speaking about hib players like they're retarded for playing hib and have completely different goals to the albs/mids....

 

[Maleg_Grumpton]

On Hib classes - don't think Hib needs any major love TBH. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with any of the Hib classes - Bards and Wardens need a little tweaking (the Bard changes in 1.62 were OK, even better if they'd made End Regen a shout / chant maybe) - Wardens just need a reason NOT to spec 49 Nurture - give them something extra in Regrowth or Melee and you'll not be running into 6s PBT and red resists anymore. Mentalists need a bit of loving and the SI classes need debugging.

On Hib RvR - Hib / Pryd has a much lower population, also I think it has far more casual players, which I guess means less people in RvR. I've given up on Random groups, as a support class they're just no fun for me any more (people running in 7 different directions means total frustration for me). Also Random groups generally miss a few key classes - if you've no Bard getting to Emain is slow and there isn't the safe haven of a PK to allow you time to mass forces close to the action for a Zerg.

As for buffbots - yep Hibs use them, often see a few Naturalist classes loitering around Ligen or a PK staring off into nothing. They are more common now than they used to be in Hib - most are used for stealthers I think however there are a few FG's that seem to use Bots also.

 

[opoc]

Originally posted by pudzy
Somethings I've noticed in daoc.

2fg is not a zerg, unless your vs 1fg.
Mid lacks RA's.
Minstrel's are Mythic's pet class.
Enchanters are Mythic's pet class.
Skalds are gimps.
Wardens are gimps.
Walker is blind.
Pbuck is a well known cleric abuser.
Derric gets blamed alot.
Loch could be male.
GOA are not a customer service.
LA nerf will half number of sb's/zerkers.
[GoL]Greghadien lies.
RA's screwed the game up.
Klav whines alot.
I whine alot.

I whine even more - mainly about how mids need nerfing (which they do btw)

Minstrels suck anyways - they only attack lower lvls or if with the zerg - they just stun + mezz the rest of the time and run off and if you purge and try mezz them or something they use their SoS..erm "im a minstrel get me out of here!!" RA.... and then come back with a orange con pet set it on you and run off thinking they are skillfull for some reason

 

[chiefbootknocka]

whiners loosers noobs

 

[opoc]

Originally posted by chiefbootknocka
whiners loosers noobs

And cheese......

 

[toughguy]

Zega if minstrels suck where does that put you? Mebbe you shouldnt be stupid enough to get a pet set on you?

 

[AzuratMinimus]

Problem with hib casters is that the mana enchanter outshines them all and that they basicly only have one viable specc line which is mana. But most casters in all realms only got 1 good specc line, execpt runies.
So put that heat debuff in another specc line and chanters would be in line with spiritmasters. Fix some specc lines.

 

[old.SadonTheGrey]

LOL @ Opoc