Relic Damage - more than 20% ?

[Sycho]

Its 10% bonus due armor vulnerability...

Teh joy...mercs with slash, banespike und relics

http://www.kolumbus.fi/kiviranta.mikko/Pics/kiss1fromsycho.jpg
http://www.kolumbus.fi/kiviranta.mikko/Pics/kiss2fromsycho.jpg

Notice 2nd pic (+39) style bonus on icy brillance due bof xDDDD

You can a hit tons harder than that on scale using vendo though xE

If you are a str based weapon user, someone using red disease on you will be similar to losing str relics.(not quite same damage loss but not far off)

Have only played merc twice since in last 2-3 months in rvr(sobek played once too) but damage on mid chain is utter shit after disease without relics xD , majority of assasins with relics will constantly hit high damage if pierce/thrust spec but sbs will not notice so much being str based weapon users since they always get debuffed in fights.(so the relics will not benefit them a great deal)

 

[remi]

You can a hit tons harder than that on scale using vendo though xE

If you are a str based weapon user, someone using red disease on you will be similar to losing str relics.(not quite same damage loss but not far off)

Have only played merc twice since release on NF(sobek played once too) but damage on mid chain is utter shit after disease xD , majority of assasins with relics will constantly hit high damage if pierce/thrust spec but sbs will not notice so much being str based weapon users since they always get debuffed in fights.(so the relics will not benefit them a great deal)

your whining over disease? sorc str/con debuff~~~~

 

[Sycho]

your whining over disease? sorc str/con debuff~~~~

Whining? just stating a comparison, so could str/con debuff too.

 

[Xeanor]

your whining over disease? sorc str/con debuff~~~~

disease snares and lasts a lot longer

 

[Osri]

You can a hit tons harder than that on scale using vendo though xE

If you are a str based weapon user, someone using red disease on you will be similar to losing str relics.(not quite same damage loss but not far off)

Have only played merc twice since in last 2-3 months in rvr(sobek played once too) but damage on mid chain is utter shit after disease without relics xD , majority of assasins with relics will constantly hit high damage if pierce/thrust spec but sbs will not notice so much being str based weapon users since they always get debuffed in fights.(so the relics will not benefit them a great deal)

Hmm, tried thrust spec? much less penalty with only str or dex debuff and mid support vulnerable

And ye...not giving vendo away xD

 

[Sycho]

Hmm, tried thrust spec? much less penalty with only str or dex debuff and mid support vulnerable

And ye...not giving vendo away xD

I was thrust pre toa and had 1900 odd ws(which was decent considering no toa sc, same as briton), damage was decent but didn't like the ws, seemed to got blocked more vs shield tanks which do not seem to guard anymore nowadays really so thrust is probably best option for a merc in current rvr.Infact all 3 specs are good just like all 3 on zerk however the artifacts favour one spec more than the other.

I would love any form of dps boost on a merc much more than dirty tricks...but all light tanks have some downsides too them so.

 

[Succi]

Mercs are fine dps wise

 

[Melachi]

yes, theoretically you have a style that you have 100style bonus each time (theoretically :x ) , with relics, you'll get 100+20% style bonus
the base dmg of your weapon is added onto that style dmg, so if your base dmg is for example 100, with relics youll have 100+20%
so if you dont have any relics you style for 200 dmg, with the relics u hit for 240dmg, and 40dmg from 200 = 20%

Another way of looking at it and understanding why someone said its greater than 20% bonus because its 20% to styled and unstyled.

Imagine you hit unstyled for 100, and your style adds 50% damage, so 50

Now with relics your unstyled hit is 120, so your style adds 50% of that which is 60, but then 20% bonus is also applied to the style damage, so your style damage is 72

so total with relics damage is 192 now
without relics is 150
192 - 150 = 42
42 / 150 = 28
which is a 28% damage increase!

 

[inqy]

lol nice dmg Succi, no way am i playing inf now if i'm gonna get owned like that, had rangers out damaging me the other day when hib was 10% melee, thats when i just stopped on inf logged immediatly.

good job you never rolled a sb then.
:touch:

 

[Megarevs]

42 / 150 = 28

Imo 42 / 150 = 0.28 = 28%

 

[Evul]

is that etc 8% with ToA Bonus tho?

 

[Melachi]

Imo 42 / 150 = 0.28 = 28%

Ehhh, theres allways one, pedantic muppet.

is that etc 8% with ToA Bonus tho?

Im guessing you talking about the 28% that extra 8% and where it came from?

Its not ToA at all, its relics if they work like someone said they do, which I can imagine is very possible.

Since with ToA style and melee damage bonus's of 10%, you gain more than 10% damage overall, since base melee damage influences style damage.

 

[Puppet]

disease snares and lasts a lot longer

And you can cure it; cannot cure sorc str/con debuff

 

[Xeanor]

And you can cure it; cannot cure sorc str/con debuff

And disease interrupts, while str/con debuff doesn't.

And why cure it? It's a small decrease in damage and hit points, nowhere as bad as snare. And it usually lasts 30-40 seconds.

I'd trade my str/con debuff for aoe disease anyday, and I bet a shaman would never want to trade his disease for aoe str/con, especially the insta pbaoe disease.

Oh, and disease halves the healing effectiveness, which makes disease better in all aspects than str/con debuff.

(str/con: lower strength/weaponskill, lower con/hit points, cannot be cured)
(disease: lower weaponskill, unbreakable snare, 2 minute duration, half heal effectiveness (much better than -300 hps), interrupts when it strikes)

 

[Succi]

Abit offtopic ^^

 

[willowywicca]

<many things>

You forgot disease breaks mezz but s/c debuff doesn't tho ;o

 

[Foadon]

dno why albs whine about disease tho, can groupcure it :d

 

[(Mid)Feydigi]

Abit offtopic ^^

Ya let keep talking about how uber you are that same night you ran away from my warrior and you never hit him above 200 dmg. Like other's have said in this post resist = be all and end all.

 

[Succi]

Soz, everybody knows shade should outmelee high rr warrior

 

[Ilienwyn]

You use GoV? I see a procc looking like that proccing on zerker when he hits you little before killing shamy. That helped increase your af and almost destroyed his (vendo mode and af debuff!!)