Rejuvenation Cleric in RvR ?

[old.Brutallus]

I've heard it is one of the worst classes/specializations for RvR.
But is it possible to get any Realm Points at all ? (solo? in group?)
I mean I do not need to be the best & would accept if I gather these points slower, but not 10 times slower...

I have no exp with RvR, so sorry if the question has little sense, but I'd like to clarify this before I put most my skill pts into Rejuv and find out later it's a horrible mistake which cannot be cancelled
could anybody explain how is it ?

 

[Karam_gruul]

I havnt got a clue what a rejuv cleric can do in RVR tbh. heal the enemy to death??

i suppose you could use your really low dmg smite, and get a couple of rp from assisting other players, but i dont know how a fully rejuv specced cleric could ever solo in rvr. Obviously being a rejuv cleric its a group role.. and not meant for soloing in either pvm or rvr.

 

[Hatjitjai]

rejuv clerics are great supports in grp

and rvr isnt bout solo,its bout grping (zerging? )
so a rejuv cleric is a must have in a grp imo

 

[old.Zold]

lol ask herba;l shes rejuv im also sure she has a nice amount of rps a rejuv cleric is pretty essential in a well balenced rvr team can turn a battle as with pve only works if team stick together tho, also imo your useless solo as with pve

 

[Dherkova]

Rejuv cleric is good in rvr, but grouped (like 90% of daoc classes)
So is so good as any other class. Just a diferent role. Smite
cleric use their spells to kill enemies, and rejuv uses their spells
to keep his group alive. Simple, isn't it?
If u go smite ppl will blame u cause u don't heal them, and if
u go rejuv ppl will blame u cause u don't heal enoguh. So make
ur choice
I grouped with both kind of clerics, and both can make u win
a battle.
And about soloing, u nearly can only solo with stealth or speed
classes. U think u can solo with a wizard? or an armsman?...

 

[Karam_gruul]

yea but to be honest in most fights if been in when i have a cleric in the group, theres either a) not enough time to heal because the cleric bites it straight away or b) no one to fight

its nothing like pvm obviously, the enemy know who to go for first, and cleric will be on the top of the list.

 

[Tigerius]

Don't forget a Rejuv Cleric provides 100% health resurrections (ok so no RPs for that, but clever people appreciate it), usually stronger buffs than a Smiting one and the 9 second baseline stun

 

[old.Brutallus]

thanks for info

well, so generally it is as I guessed

its nothing like pvm obviously, the enemy know who to go for first, and cleric will be on the top of the list.

just wanted to ask for THIS !
so how is it ? can I earn some realm pts or not ? (pratically - not theoretically)
probably only on lower level enemies - weak enough to kill quickly...

it seems that all replies are non-rejuv-cleric-ppl or even non-cleric-ppl could any Rejuv Cleric reply ?! (Herbal?)

[edit:] or... LOL ! ... maybe there are NO Rejuv Clerics ???! (except Herbal ) it is also some kind of answer to my question, hehe

 

[old.Karamon]

If you are in a group and your group gets a kill, you will earn the same rps as your group mates.

If you solo, and heal 1 peep and then this peep kills 1 enemy "sometimes" you earn a little amount of rps (not sure).

The best option is grouping with friends and stick to stun and heal I suppose. Be careful not no get mezzed, and try to hide as you can, so the enemy dont see you casting at 1st glance.

Although soloing is much more profitable to get rps, I never go solo, you usually got ganked by a "faster" group.

Remember in pvp you dont aggro using your greatest heal, so use it while you can

 

[[BF]kate]

Rejuv RvR

I wrote a whole rant about rejuv clerics and rvr, but I delteted it because I don't think anyone would listen.

To answer your questions. Yes you get rp just like anyone else, but obviously you have to group. You have to be in a good group because you will be one of the first targets - if the group don't look out for you then you die. You don't get any rp when dead. If you aren't grouped, then you get no rp for healing/rezzing. You do occationally get a thank you, which is nice

"I havnt got a clue what a rejuv cleric can do in RVR tbh. heal the enemy to death?? "

"yea but to be honest in most fights if been in when i have a cleric in the group, theres either a) not enough time to heal because the cleric bites it straight away or b) no one to fight

its nothing like pvm obviously, the enemy know who to go for first, and cleric will be on the top of the list."

Karam, these two posts say a lot about why there are few high level rejuv clerics and fewer who rvr... Your cleric shouldn't bite it straight away if you are working as a group. When I am in a good group (Guild, naturally ), I get loads of heals off before anything gets near me. In fact, often I don't even die. The group seem to appreciate it and live longer - so I don't see it as "leeching" (as I have seen some ppl refer to rejuvs).

I don't know how many high level rejuvs we have on excal. We were trying to count the other day but couldn't come up with more than about 5 names, many of who I haven't seen RvR.

 

[-Wedge-]

There are several rejuv clerics (we have atleast one in our guild, Abelardus) (not full rejuv, but higher then 23 )...

Its just bollocks that you cant earn RP's as a rejuv cleric... The difference between a rejuv cleric and a smite cleric is that a smite cleric can solo (on his own, 1 person, no one else!) pretty good...

Most groups on the other hand tend not to like pure smite clerics (e.g. the ones that do not heal ) simply because they tend to sometimes forget to give a heal now and then ... (flame all you, but its true )

Rejuv clerics on the other hand, cant solo (e.g. on their own, without help, lol) much (may be an occasional green )... But almost any tank like char (armsman,paladin,merc,minstrels,tank-wanna-be-wizzies ) will love you... You'll earn most of your RP's by keeping your group alive, just like you earn most of your XP in PvM...

For some people thats enough, others will forsaken their main skills (e.g. healing) and turn towards smite...

A good group can earn several 1000 rp's on a night, if they work together...

 

[Karam_gruul]

Re: Rejuv RvR

Originally posted by Kate


Karam, these two posts say a lot about why there are few high level rejuv clerics and fewer who rvr... Your cleric shouldn't bite it straight away if you are working as a group. When I am in a good group (Guild, naturally ), I get loads of heals off before anything gets near me. In fact, often I don't even die. The group seem to appreciate it and live longer - so I don't see it as "leeching" (as I have seen some ppl refer to rejuvs).

Well as i said, its so differnet from pvm, and its ALOT harder to protect a cleric, or any caster type for that matter when in a fight with other players. obviously protect wont work, enrage styles wont work etc etc etc, so the only type of person that CAN protect casters/ clerics is probably either a sorc or minstrel, tanks are pretty much powerless to stop them, its either stun with shield if you can, or kill the enemy as fast as poss.

To be honest i dont see why anyone would play a rejuv cleric full stop... obviously they're great for other people when they're in the group, but its gotta be really boring only healing all the time! i'd advise full smite any day

 

[infozwerg]

welcome to your existence as res and buff bot, mr rejuv cleric. ^^

 

[Dherkova]

but its gotta be really boring only healing all the time! i'd advise full smite any day

Mmm, heal= target a player and push a button.
Smite = target a player and push a button.
I Can't say wich one is more boring btw. Just different roles,
not everybody wanna b main killer. Thx god we have rejuv
clerics.

 

[[BF]kate]

Re: Re: Rejuv RvR

Originally posted by Karam


Well as i said, its so differnet from pvm, and its ALOT harder to protect a cleric, or any caster type for that matter when in a fight with other players. obviously protect wont work, enrage styles wont work etc etc etc, so the only type of person that CAN protect casters/ clerics is probably either a sorc or minstrel, tanks are pretty much powerless to stop them, its either stun with shield if you can, or kill the enemy as fast as poss.

To be honest i dont see why anyone would play a rejuv cleric full stop... obviously they're great for other people when they're in the group, but its gotta be really boring only healing all the time! i'd advise full smite any day

Agreed, I am sure it is harder, but it is possible. I didn't say anything about tanks doing it btw. I said a group should be able to do it. I've found the best protection is definately a fire wiz (hi Ignea ) . They don't tend to pay so much attention to a little cleric when their heads are being blown up. A good group has to have mez, so there shouldn't be loads of tanks beating your cleric up. Tanks can help clerics by not running off in all different directions after the random rp or two.

Sometimes I don't know why anyone would play a rejuv cleric either - maybe I am just weird. But then other times (when I am not dead), I really enjoy it. Healing isn't boring... it's challenging (this is what I tell myself, so shutup and don't shatter my illusions ).

 

[[BF]kate]

haha

Originally posted by infozwerg
welcome to your existence as res and buff bot, mr rejuv cleric. ^^

Um, sorry but smite clerics buff and rez too (or they should).

 

[Glema]

A rejuv/enh cleric can work in RvR, although it can be a bit tricky to heal at lower levels because people die too fast.

By 45+ though you have a fair chance of healing people, esp. tanks, althought casters still invariably require an insta :-/

It all comes down to the group you are in, they have to stick together (so they are all in heal range) and try and protect each other/you rather than running off in opposite directions and dieing.

Oh and get minst in the group so you dont go oom

As has been mentioned the full rezz can be handy as it means people are going to get oneshotted straight after being rezzed, and casters are at half mana so no need to wait for it to recharge.


As for full rejuve that might be a bit much, 40 rejuv is a good starting point (for the full hp/50 % pow ress) and 31 enh for some nice buffs.

After that you may want some smite so you can get one of the shorter mezzes just in case you do get jumped.

 

[old.Zold]

Originally posted by Icy
But almost any tank like char (armsman,paladin,merc,minstrels,tank-wanna-be-wizzies ) will love you...

what ya trying tosay

 

[c0ngo]

A Cleric is no use RvR solo so ur rp are dependant on the grp ur in. If u have Rej and Enhance spec spose u can keep the grp alive longer to get u all more rp.

A rej specd Cleric can do ok damage with Smite but it uses 2 much power although the cast time on the base smites is better.

Base Smite lvl 50 cast 3 secs 153DD 37 power
Spec Smite 35 pts cast 4 secs 164DD 25 power
Spec Smite 48 pts cast 4 secs 225DD 35 power

So in 12 seconds (ignoring quickness, buffs etc)

Base lvl50 Smite casts 4 times for 612DD using 148 power
Spec 48 pts Smite casts 3 times for 675DD using 105 power


The thing you really miss out on is the mez but if you spec smite to 15 you ger a 15 sec Mez or at 23 then you get a 19 sec Mez which is ok I spose.

Dunno how Rej Clerics normally spec though but they must have enough spec point to reach at least 15 Smite can't see any point going over 45 Rej for the biggest insta if u choose to go Rej and guess most stick at 40.

Edit

Wedge ur wrong about Rej Clerics ability to solo as well if I use only my base Smite abilities killing yellows is easy, my stun is a base ability and my base smite still does easily enough damage to take them down. Just means u can't kill oranges

 

[infozwerg]

you could mention that baseline smite does very whimpy damage if you are low spec smite.

where wimpy is somewhere along the lines of: maybe you can kill a cloth caster when you mezz him, stun him, he is on half health, unbuffed, wearing nothing and is afk.

[edit] well maybe you have to hit him with your hammer for some time after running out of power. [/edit]

 

[c0ngo]

Originally posted by infozwerg
you could mention that baseline smite does very whimpy damage if you are low spec smite.

where wimpy is somewhere along the lines of: maybe you can kill a cloth caster when you mezz him, stun him, he is on half health, unbuffed, wearing nothing and is afk.

[edit] well maybe you have to hit him with your hammer for some time after running out of power. [/edit]

Compared stats with Herbal once and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would b.

Without a decent damage buff I guess Rej Clerics don't want 2 use their hammers though cause unbuffed my melee is a waste of time.

 

[infozwerg]

maybe i was exaggerating a bit.

 

[c0ngo]

Mabe just a little Hedo

Think Herbal stopped at 40 Rej so can't have that much Smite but was able to kill advisors etc ok solo in the barrows at 48(ish) using the lvl42 base Smite (ok they're weak 2 smite) but they're yellow/orange at 50.

 

[Belsameth]

Originally posted by infozwerg
welcome to your existence as res and buff bot, mr rejuv cleric. ^^

My main (used to be) a Midgard healer. and though we have the added perk of pretty good CC skills, this kinda sums it up

Though I managed to kill a blue caster AND a yellow archer ones....gotto love insta heal

(Honesty does force me to say that the archer type was VERY bad at his job though and kept trying to shoot me while I pounded him )

 

[-Wedge-]

All in all, a rejuv cleric will be loved by (good) groups...

And if Congo is right, your solo abilities arent even that bad

 

[old.Brutallus]

feel encouraged

thanks for lots for info
quite possible I will risk Rejuv path... - will see.

 

[c0ngo]

Re: feel encouraged

Originally posted by Brutallus
thanks for lots for info
quite possible I will risk Rejuv path... - will see.

There's always a respec if u dislike ur choice of path (or there will be eventually).

 

[satar2]

Originally posted by C0ngo
Mabe just a little Hedo

Think Herbal stopped at 40 Rej so can't have that much Smite but was able to kill advisors etc ok solo in the barrows at 48(ish) using the lvl42 base Smite (ok they're weak 2 smite) but they're yellow/orange at 50.

Herbal is lvl 50 tho, and got some nice items to..
if you stop speccing rejuv at 40, you can have pretty high smite at lvl 50.

if you go full rejuv from the start, dont expect to be able to solo
at lower lvl's

 

[Herbal Remedy]

Well into rr3 all grouped points and 45 base rejuv , rejuv clerics cant solo pfft lmao i can take yellow con tanks down - lvl 50s ones. Smite still does 250 - 300 dmg on a lvl 50 at 21 smite and 2 instas gives me evefectively well over 4000 hps.
Im specced 45 rejuv 21 enhance 21 smite without items and 55rejuv 27 enhance 31 smite with items. Rejuv in rvr does work and unless seriously out numbered you not getting a heal in is just bollocks.

Always fun watching a lvl 50 tank take out 2 or 3 lvl 50 tanks on his own because hes been healed all that time, problem is keeping your group alive for a lot longer than you are supposed to gets you noticed fast , often see tanks and casters ignore our tanks and go straight for me thats when stun and insta mezz save the day.


Every class is viable in rvr depends on the person behind the computer playing the char, except mebe cabalists

 

[c0ngo]

Bad post Herb, now u'll be even more of a target

Will u keep the same spec when ur able 2 respec though ?