Realm Funding

[old.Forever]

Hi all,

Yesterday i was asked for donations for repairs to the relic doors. I heard it cost quite alot (the guy was broke from all the repairs and he was a lvl 50), so i was happy to contribute some G.

My guess is that we will have to face more attempts from alb/mid to steal our relics, so more repairs are needed. We will have to try to get them back, so alot of siege weapons are needed.

Question is: who pays for all this? It cant be that the crafters will have to pay for the rams or that the guys that repair the doors should pay all of it. According to me it also cant be one guild that pays for it. I think all Hibernia should pay for it.

So im asking all of you for an idea for warfunding (siege weapons + repairs) for our entire realm. If you have an idea pls let us all know.

I thought about a warfunds and each guild can contribute to. The guild can decide internally what and how much they give and the guild can give it to the warfund.

Its an idea that isnt complete yet (still alot of questions: like what about a guildraid => warfunds? how much you have to pay? etc etc). Im just hoping for some reactions to the idea from all the guilds and if you all like the idea we can work it out and try to answer the questions together. Or im hoping for some other ideas someone may have about this.

Pls reply all

PS: I know im a lowly lvl druid, but i really feel there will be a need for it

 

[old.MacKewl]

I agree.. although I am broke.. lol

But it should be something that is encouraged by guilds to contribute to.. The working out of it would maybe difficult tho.

 

[Aeiedil]

It seems ludicrous that theres all these high levels and not enough to repair the doors fully. I donated the 900G or so that I could afford, and I am sure that theres people with 3P or more (excluding crafters)

 

[Alrindel]

I rarely have more than 100g in my purse at any time - as soon as I get more than that I spend it crafting - but I have always given what I can spare to repair the gates.

It's a shame Mythic have still not implemented guild vaults and banking the way they originally intended to. I think I read that they did try to make it go and then they ran into some unexpected bug that meant deep-rooted changes to the item database system and so they temporarily (?) shelved it to work on other, higher priority things. Guild banking would definitely simplify managing war funds, especially for the bigger guilds. Not to mention siege engine storage.

 

[old.Thanatlos]

I make full siege-rams free of charge.. If ppl feel like donating then feel free..

Just don't use a complimentary ram for novelty purposes coz I'll get pissed then..

Hehe, and don't come to me 20 minutes before a relic raid asking for 4 swing harnesses
Think I made about 30 of those for the last raid lol

 

[old.Forever]

Thana,

Wouldnt it be better you are funded by some sort of warfund of Hibernia instead of funding it yourself and the occasional donation?
Like Aeiedil said, some guys have lots of cash and some are broke atm.
I say let the guild control the cash within the guild (for crafters etc) and the guilds donate the money to the warfund.
When something is up, you receive the money from the fund and you can start crafting. That way you dont loose money yourself: its funded by all the guilds in Hibernia.

 

[old.Thanatlos]

I'm lvl 50 and still exping.. (don't ask )
So I'll get by.. as long as I don't have a relic raid every day

 

[old.Forever]

Well, perhaps you will get by for siege but my guess is you wont get by for repairing our relic doors
And thats the main cost i guess. I think we will have to repair them more often soon, so i just want a system for funding that.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

I think a voluntary contribution from guilds to the door fixers is sufficient... as soon as you start making it mandatory, that's when people start bitching and fighting.

 

[Novamir]

Yes it's very expensive, I spend my 1.2 plat, and since have been nagging everyone to give money, but still a lot of level 50s haven't been forthcoming.

It is VERY IMPORTANT to repair relic doors to full.

I do hope our alliance and CBH alliance can work together on matters like this.

FYI 1 repair from Dyrwood that u can buy at dagda costs about 350g. It will be about 300 units worth. 1 repair using ironwood will cost 120g BUT you will have around 1700 units to carry, and you can't get it in dagda. Each repair is about 15% of door's health.

 

[old.Cadwyr]

CBH has a 'guild fund' this is used mainly for funding worthy crafters, and repairs to keep doors. Funds are raised by the guild in two main ways. Members wishing to wear the guild emblem are charged a fee (even alts) and this goes into the fund. Also 'richer' members can make voluantary donations to help top it up. Tbh this does not bring in a huge amount cash but it helps.

And yes I agree cross alliance co-operation would be a huge benefit to Hiberina as a whole.

 

[old.Forever]

The mystics knights will also start with a guild fund. I was hoping perhaps all guilds could do this, so that guilds can make donations to the Warfund of Hibernia (nice name huh ) from their own fund. I dont think we have to force someone/guild to pay money to it, but im pritty sure all guilds can see why its necesarry and will donate whatever they can. So i agree with Tzeentch with making this not mandatory. But this can be discussed.

I posted this thread for all to start thinking about the idea and to make all aware that this could be a good thing for Hibernia and it will become necesarry later on i guess

 

[Spudgie]

Just to close all the relic keep doors cost a small fortune

Nova + Crey 3.5P
Me 1.2P
Soulslayer 200g
Iriba 1P

And from various people at 7am another 2P

As you can see if we bust other realms relic doors every now and then you could easily skint a realm

 

[Salazar]

Hmm.. no1 asked me for money.. am i so scary

Spent 1 plat on different doors, woodworking and rams, but i still have 2 plat left... wont last long though... so lets go hunting for some glimmer knights and some nice cloak.. i mean money..

 

[old.Forever]

Seems that you all agree that it cost alot
But i dont hear any comments about the idea for some kind of funds or whatever. Guess no one believes in it then.

 

[angara-ffs]

I couldnt agree more with this plan.
IF there will be more relic attacks on our relics, it means spending a lot of money. And not one or two guilds should be responisble for paying it.

Mystic knights will gladly help funding for repairs and stuff.

 

[<Harle>]

Will be a lot cheaper if we kill those evil invaders before they do any serious damage to those doors

 

[angara-ffs]

Hehe, nice one Harle.........but thats not always possible

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Let's all go mug some albs!

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Novamir
Yes it's very expensive, I spend my 1.2 plat, and since have been nagging everyone to give money, but still a lot of level 50s haven't been forthcoming.

I had 24g and then I had to ask guildies to give me money for arrows :/

 

[angara-ffs]

Thats exactly forevers point i think Eleasias.
Also i think we could damage the other realms with this point.
If we keep damaging doors from all keeps, they are forced to fix them which will cost a large amount of money

I heard on US servers realms were broke sometime and could not fix there doors.....maybe something for ur hibs to do?
As we arent a big realm, we should use this kinda things do irritate the others.

 

[old.Rusfighter]

Hehe... ok

 

[old.Zuljin]

well.. i was helping Terminus and some other CF founding the doors at the relic keep at cain. i donated 200g my self and had 1P + donated from the guild. we were 3 guilds to pay for the repairs( MW, CF and CBH ) and i really dont think its fair that its only a few guilds that have to pay for the repairs, so the idear with the warfound is great! but who is gonna carry the cash until the banking is up ? thinking about the aliance leaders or something but i dunno :/

 

[Alrindel]

It isn't that people don't think this is a fine and good idea.

It's that there is no good way to organize it. Who is going to hold all this money? How much of his time will he have to spend sitting in one place while everyone runs around shouting, "please go to Tir Na Nog and give money for the realm warfund to X". And then if he collects 5 or 6 platinum, but is on holiday the next time the Middies bash down a relic keep door, we're buggered.

Until Mythic implements guild banking where there can be a guild account that many guild members can contribute to and a few trusted officers can withdraw from, we're kind of stuck.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

I have a habit of not spending money on everything that takes my fancy... I only ever buy back con, or one dye when I get a new robe... so I always have a nice amount, but nothing like 1p+ because I'm not at that level yet :]

But I know some people just spend money like crazy, on alts, siege weapons, or whatever... and then when the time comes, no money for doors etc.

 

[Eblessair]

Alot of people have donated to this door, that dont even know it

A while ago, before 1.45, albs attacked and got the first door down, and people gave a total of around 3p to me to buy wood, was gonna use it to fix the relic doors then, but the servers went down(supprise), and the doors were fixed ^^

So,

 

[Kobold]

Originally posted by Spudgie
Just to close all the relic keep doors cost a small fortune

Nova + Crey 3.5P
Me 1.2P
Soulslayer 200g
Iriba 1P

And from various people at 7am another 2P

As you can see if we bust other realms relic doors every now and then you could easily skint a realm

Really should make some kind of hib warfound yeh. The "relic war night" was VERY long for some of us. Many went to bed right after we had the relics "safe" home. And after that albion attacked with more lvl 45+ peeps than it was online in hib. They smacked down all the doors and brought theire relic home.

And we knew thy would come back for the 2 others so we needed to do something. It was only about 10 hibs around there to defend against 50 albs. And we had totaly open doors into the relics. I played an lowbie alt when heared this, and since my hero was in Bog of Cullen, I logged in my ranger who was in DC, and went to check how the status was. None was actually able to repair the doors cause of woodworking skill required. So dam lucky I brought that char with 500 woodworking skill lol.

So there we was 10 hibs, had to repair doors and defend against 50 albs, I was totaly broke, got all cash on my hero and it costed hell loads of cash to buy this wood. But I saw some amazing nice team spirit in hibs that night. Everybody fought bravely and donated all theire cash, so I could at least make the doors close. And as spudgie saied, it was some very big donations from all there. But I felt kind of sorry for those few peeps who had to use all theire own cash on those damn doors. So I agree indeed on that we need some kind of warfound in hib to make up for all the siege weapon/repair costs. Feels wrong that those who are nice and helps have to spend all theire cash. Also the rams from the raids must have costed hell loads of money, I saw 11 Rams at the inner door. But I must say VERY nice done all peeps of Hibernia, hope for more exiting nights like this

Sorry for the long post, was bored at work