Real reason Uma/Lyrra/Venerable all left Shadowbreed

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[SoulFly Amarok]

That's just complete bollocks. Oh well it's Jilly, Nevermind her, she's a <censored> sometimes. She has changed an awful lot since I met her the first time. oh well, haven't we all. *points at self*

But that attitude against you going to defend the relics..shees, Atleast you want to defend albion, keep up the good work.

 

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[Jilly]

OK ven lets tell the truth now

U r a selfish mean person who likes to run the show and can't stand anyone who isn't as fast and sharp as you r in game. we are all different and u r the most intolerant of people.

U asked to return to shadowbreed tonite and u were turned down cos we dont want u . Some other guild can put up with u now.

go away u silly sad man ...it's a game we play to enjoy ..do what u like cos u won't b threatening grps im in anymore with your tantrums and your favourite saying, I quote, " if that happens again I'm going to solo " .

Well u r solo now and u r NOT coming back to our guild.

we tolerate and show patience to our members cos some r fast to learn and some arent ..it depends how much time they play. U see ven,, some of them have a life too..they dont't come into the game and think its Real Life, they come to have fun and enjoy the company. You appear to of lost the plot and believe that dying is the end of the world ....

wake up cos we live and we die in this game all the time Ven, or havet u noticed that ?

U dumped the epic grp when we were already short of people and it was a guild epic group. we didnt complain cos we dont care what ppl like u do. You see yourself as the only person who cares about the realm and thats ridiculous. We all care but we assess for ourselves whether we need to rush to excal or not. we have that right too u know. Or is it again u telling us to jump and u expect us to ask u how high ?

bye ven/uma/lyrra

take your tantrums and go

 

[speshneeds]

Jeez eben, is like re-rolling Cutting edge again :\

http://forums.game.net/showthread.php?threadid=35998

 

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[speshneeds]

Originally posted by eben


Well I guess I've been unlucky...first I have GM in excal demanding I play shaman and nothing else. Then I get shit in Prydwen for defending relics.

Go solo, your obviously not suited to being guilded.... or start your own with people u want etc..

 

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[kr0n]

Who are these guys? Whats that guild? ...

 

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[geordie1964]

uma/jilly

ok listen up im talking to lyrra, i'm sad to see you causing trouble for a member of my guild. i was there and i who heartidly agree with JILLY.
you are a intollorent person you have threatened to leave shadowbreed before and now you have and its a load off my characters shoulders. you have had arguments with members of our alliance with your infiltrator.
i hope when your chars are 50 you manage to get help doing your epic as you wont find it from me.
as for that night the relics where safe no one confirmed mids at excaliber and when they did they where dead. i for one am glad you have left us.
the last time you said you where leaving i was one who asked you to stay saying we needed you how wrong i was.

go find yourself a new guild coz u aint getting in shadowbreed m8

 

[speshneeds]

Originally posted by eben


Well I disagree about not being suited...you will recall that I had lots of support in that last carry on, and this time many Shadowbreed members were sorry to see me go too.

Tell me Spesh what would you have done in my shoes?

GM demands you play main 100% while others can play alts. Do you not think at that time it's correct to find another guild?

As for Amy/Jilly, would you stand for that?

Life's too short for this type of carry on so I take a clean break.

OK I could refrain from posting here, but no I won't. If someone is lying about me or is downright nasty as both people concerned here have been shown to be, then they deserve exposing. They deserve no better.

Only seems to happen to you, draw your own conclusions m8

 

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[Easy]

So realising that epic can wait whereas losing 20% melee
damage boost and giving it to mids cannot wait, I set off to
excal and apologised to epic party (hoping they would come defend relics too).

Everyone has free choice. You have chosen to go defend relics
(nothing wrong in choosing to defend relics), but looks like
your group didn't like it.

I must say that I can understand Jilly and her group, because
I know what's like to not be able to do the level 50 epic for
lack of enough helpers.

I had a hard time putting up a mini-zerg to kill Cailleach
Uragaig in Lyonesse a long time ago. Organizing such tasks
takes time (messaging players, waiting for answers,
traveling across the realm, forming groups, buffing up,
etc.) so when someone decides to leave, with or without
group consent, and whatever the reason may be, it takes
time to replace him/her.

I am sure you took that into account when you made your
decision to leave. But then, automatically, you accepted
the consequences of your free decision... The group was
disappointed by this course of action, because they had
agreed to do Valinor's epic, helping him to get some
decent armor for enhancing his RvR experience.

So yes, you have free choice, but I think you should know
that leaving an epic group without a clear agreement with
other group members is a difficult decision to take,
because you never know how that decision will be considered.

You just have to accept the fact that not everyone will react
in the same way to your decisions (you hoped they would go
defend relics with you, but evidently this wasn't the case).

What I got instead was a whole bucketful of grief in
private from a "good friend". The fact that it was a friend
shocked me the most, but it was downright rude.

Sometimes we get angry and/or disappointed, but we should
bear in mind that Dark Age of Camelot is just a game, and
that we should try to have fun while playing it.

Yes, Jilly said "I dont care what u do", but looking at
the real meaning of the words hastily written on her
keyboard, she really told you that she was hoping that
you would have helped in the epic, but you disappointed
her instead - and that whatever your reason for leaving
was (right or wrong), you backed out of an agreement.

An agreement not set in stone, but still an agreement.

We all pay to play and I will not have anyone demanding
that I ask permission to leave grps...I do what I wish

See above. Free choice is fine, but every choice produces
effects to be thoroughly evaluated in advance.

We got aggroed by the NPCs and my character who was
close to lvl 49 nearly died.

I said I would rather solo than risk death again. What's
wrong with that. Ppl should realise that XP don't come cheap at
40+. I've known hundreds of ppl leave parties if they think the
risk is too high.

PvE deaths are nasty. I had a terrible time at level 39 -
I believe that I died, hmm... around 17 times on that level.
That level was hard, because lots of exp was needed but
reduced exp loss would start only at level 40.

And back in v1.36, exp loss was HUGE at level 39. And yes,
I so hated that level, especially since I was rushing to
Level 50 at that time, and those PvE deaths were a major
setback.

So when you talk about fear of PvE death, I know what you
are talking about. Here's what I think...

You shouldn't be so open in affirming your beliefs about
soloing being better than grouping. Whatever your reasons
are, you are somewhat telling your group that you don't
like dying often, as if they were responsible for all of your
deaths.

It may be true in some cases, but if you keep telling
them that you want to leave, that won't improve their
playing skill, will it?

If you want to leave the group because you are dying
(or risking death) too much, I suggest that you do so,
but in a kind way if at all possible.

If for whatever reasons I found myself in a 'bad' group,
here's how I would act.

- At my first death/near death, I would ponder about the
causes, and let it go if it was an accident.

- Second death/near death = alarm bell... I would ask
myself if it was my fault or someone else's fault, or
maybe the excessive aggro/difficulty faced by the
group as a whole.

- At the third, fourth or fifth death/near death,
depending on my willingness to keep exping in that group
despite frequent deaths or high risk of death, I would
first make sure that the group was safe as a whole and
find a kind way out of it (E.g. "Gee it's late, I have
to log") while thanking people for choosing to group
with me (often providing a replacement, if needed)

You cannot expect everyone to be as skilled as you. When
you play a MMORPG, you find that every player has a
different level of skills. So expect someone to make
a mistake sometimes.

I think you should just try to enjoy the game. I learned
this the hard way... Exp deaths can be very annoying,
but they are part of the game. If exp becomes your
only concern, there is no space left for fun.

Easy

P.S. Pfft @ use of scissors on thread <snip> after I took
time to reply

 

[Jilly]

Nice summary Easy of what the game is about and how we should try to play it ..thanx

 

[Jilly]

I just opened my email and found an apology from eben

The apology is accepted ..thank you.

 

[eben]

Superb post easy.

I don't think my actions deserved you giving up all that time to respond, but as a modus operandi it's how I wish I'd have behaved.

Originally posted by Easy

P.S. Pfft @ use of scissors on thread <snip> after I took
time to reply

Sorry but it was a damage limitation exercise.

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[eben]

Originally posted by Jilly
I just opened my email and found an apology from eben

The apology is accepted ..thank you.

Much more than I deserve...thankyou.

A public version for all assembled: sorry.

 

[eben]

Originally posted by Jilly
I just opened my email and found an apology from eben

The apology is accepted ..thank you.

I offered an olive branch for the way I behaved and that has happily been accepted.

I still have not been offered anything remotely similar and that is so disappointing. I can face up to my actions, but sadly others cannot.

As far as people on these boards will believe, I'll appear to be the only guilty party here. That's plain wrong and I won't accept this. I won't have people lie about me and not take it back especially when I took the steps to publically apologise for the way I handled this.

So:

@Jilly - you said some pretty harsh words that fly in the face of accepted opinion. Some of it was by email and particularly strong and unsavoury. I take it that you stand by them as you will not retract them. I hope at least you do not hold to the lie that I asked for a guild re-invite. Think I would ask after all this?

@Geordie - yes rally around Jilly that's fine, but don't be a hypocrite. After all, Jilly/Amy had a very high profile public spat on alliance chat with Tupp over XP spot in the barrows. She had a tantrum and left to go to hib/excal. One rule for one and one for another, huh?

I'll make no secret that towards the end of my days at Shadowbreed I was more intolerant; however, try and see it from the other point of view...remember we had 6 or so good months. There were events that lead up to the change.

People were increasingly beginning to take advantage of me. These kind of things were making me tear my hair out. Even Jilly told me in private she was tiring of some guild members behaviour. Some that spring to mind are:

- tortuous times in our frontiers. Often I was asked to collect greys to get powerlvlled in the frontiers. I can tell you that's it's not many laughs having the responsibility of ferrying a grey character to Caer Berkstead when mids and aggro mobs are everywhere, only to arrive and get told (not asked) to go back and collect another.
- lengthy afks from certain chars in the frontiers
- guild members playing 2 chars in party at once, often one at several quantas below our con. This is fine when the character has a use, like a cleric, but sometimes it was a tank and was done without the courtesy of asking the party. A prominent example was trying to do the lvl 50 cloak quest where Shadowbreed were quite rude to people like Revenant; they had to wait while we got our guild ass in gear for a long time including one guy moving 2 chars to the meeting point. As we had 9 the 2nd account char ended up out of party and consequently died. He had a fit about it in GC. I even said repeatedly that I was happy to redo the quest for the 2nd char (I remember Geordie sayig he would help too). This should never have been allowed in the first place. We were quite rude to keep T30 waiting and then expect them and us to defend a character not even in the party.
- spam in GC asking for powerlevelling
- asking for advice is fine, but asking me detailed questions on specs of character classes I don't play (e.g. armsman) and what items and quests they should do is a bit cheeky. I'm not talking about once or twice here either. Use the web for goodness sake like I do.
- double standards. Jilly can have a fit with Tupp in as chat and Uma can't say boo to a goose to anyone? FGS is that what you want?

The business over Valinor's epic was the final straw. For Jilly to PM and start all this tipped me over the edge. I'd done a lot for the guild and then she started to call me selfish! Well I stand by my original decision...relics first...epics later. That's the way I choose to operate and if people don't like it that's too bad. They can go back to spellcrafting or something that avoids RvR, or anything that having no relics makes no difference to.

Now I'll say this one final time...I do not want to be back in Shadowbreed. No more lies. There are great people in that guild, but too much water has passed under the bridge.

There have been plenty of comments saying that this is a game and should be treated as such. That's fine, but everyone should always bear in mind that behind the characters there are real people with opinions and emotions, quite often different to your own. Because it's a game it does not give carte-blanche to act irresponsibly or disrespect others.

So I'll draw this to a close now. I've said already that I regret going public on this and have tried to reconcile with Jilly publically; however, I see nothing coming from Jilly except smiley emoticons like it's all OK now. Well I don't think anyone emerges from this smelling of roses.

Perhaps there's a lot more to Soulfly's remarks than he is prepared to let on...