Rangers life is a lonely lot.....

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Faeldawn

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After having a torrid time gettin to lvl 43 as a ranger, which includes mainly soloing rvr and xp, i have come to a few general conclusions and welcome comments on my views. Pls note this is obviously NOT TRUE FOR ALL RANGERS, just what i have observed and come to realise from personal experience.

Rangers are not much use in SERIOUS xp groups...shades are better tanks due to their speed and evade and Heros/Champs can take more damage.

As example i have actually been kicked out of xp groups in the past, for no other reason than a hero/champ/shade turns up. We do make reasonable tanks in the absence of an available fighter, but most druids cringe when they see our hp fall like a rock when pbt fails in combat. Even celts dont make good tanks.

Rangers are not much use in SERIOUS rvr groups....shades make better scouts if needed, and rangers need to stalk to get into effective shooting range, and often get left behind and lose speed.

Also been kicked out of rvr groups, as i have fallen behind the group a bit (say amg to the emain tower), and they have encountered a "better" player. To be honest, these groups move at speed for a reason....to zerg....really not a rangers strong point.

Rangers rule in keep defence...we have superior range, and can stealth until we shoot...nuff said.

Guilds are invaluable to a ranger who wishes to get xp in a group....ALL my decent xp groups have come from my guild/alliance mates....and as such, i am indebted to them.

Now, i was guilty for a long time of getting a bit narked when i couldnt xp in a group......however, the reality of it (imho) is that a ranger is perhaps the ONLY true soloing character, we can rvr solo, we have our own buffs, and to negate our poor armour, we attack at range. All our attributes are set for "self".

I also have been made to feel like a "token" stalker in most of the groups i have had....the reality is that DaOC IS a Class Society, certain classes r more popular than others.

If ya wanna group make a druid, bard, or ANY other character than a Ranger, unless you are grouped with friends, guildies or in-game mates who want to group with YOU rather than your character.

Applogies to Kensai style rangers, this does not apply to them really, as they are specced for fighting.

Appolgies if this appears to be a moan, its not intended to be, the aim of this post is to make anyone who is contemplating making a ranger aware of what they MIGHT have to face. I know rangers who have had none of these experiences, so its not prescriptive.
 
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Alrindel

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People are still rolling rangers?

Anyways, I knew all that going in and I never expected it to be otherwise. Except for a few generous invitations for a bubble here and there, I have soloed up to 46.5 and by God I'm going to solo to 50 if that's the only way to get there. No big deal. :p
 
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old.Tzeentch

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Summary: rangers suck in group pve, and group rvr.

That's what I got from reading that.

The only plus point you mentioned was keep defense, but I assume you forgot to mention solo RvR might be good (I have no idea) for a ranger?

So, this begs the question; Why make a ranger?
 
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Kobold

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Know exactly how you feel m8. Thats why I rerolled as hero instead :D much more fun imo

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Tzee, yeh rangers sux in groups for PvE and RvR :p
But they are very good solo both RvR and PvE. Stealth nerfed for RvR after 1.52 though.
 
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Faeldawn

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Soloing rvr as a Ranger is quite good fun......

Also keep taking we are handy for repellin back-attacks and killing Bowmen on battlements, as many rangers Trade-skill Fletching, we have high WW skills and can repair rams/doors to keeps.

It aint all doom n gloom ;0)
 
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Kobold

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Soloing rvr as a Ranger is quite good fun......
Well, it's fun a little while, but you sure get bored of going around alone all teh time, since main reason I still play DAoC is the communication in the game, and then it sux to go solo all the time
 
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Faeldawn

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As regards rerolling, i have a 22 champ, 25 druid, 42 bard.....but, being a real Massichist, i always go back to me ranger ;0)
 
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Alrindel

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Solo RVR is finished for all archer classes; the snipers have left the building. But rangers can still make a great contribution to group RVR, particularly if they've gone high on their weapon skill (the rest are going to get a nice boost in 1.52 when they all respec and lose a ton of stealth which is now no longer needed).
 
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Faeldawn

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Soling rvr is a bit lonely, but thats where GC is sooo handy ;0)

Without my guild i would have gone a bit perculiar soloing rvr ;0)
 
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Faeldawn

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Originally posted by Alrindel
Solo RVR is finished for all archer classes; the snipers have left the building. But rangers can still make a great contribution to group RVR, particularly if they've gone high on their weapon skill (the rest are going to get a nice boost in 1.52 when they all respec and lose a ton of stealth which is now no longer needed).

Really? What nerf are they gonna throw on us now?
 
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Alrindel

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Not a nerf, in fact we get a couple of goodies in 1.52: Heavy Recurve Bow to compete with the scout's longer range/damage longbow, and heavy damage arrows equivalent to FFB in crush and pierce damage types. I just meant that in a post-see-hidden game, I expect a lot of rangers will use the full respec that comes in 1.52 to reduce stealth somewhat and use the extra points to boost their pathfinding and melee spec.
 
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si1verwolf

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Ranger prospects

It's a shame to hear some of this... I'm just starting out on Hib/Excal, now a level 12 Ranger (specced as an Elf so I gather my the hardcore DAoC gamers that I'm gimped already!).

So far I've found that it's fun 'pulling' for a group, but you could see from the outset that all the Ranger's powers ARE for self as previously mentioned.

I think a good mix of classes is essential for the survival of any realm, and every class plays their part. I chose an Elf Ranger 'cos ashamedly 'cos if the Legolas kind of idea... but also because I like the idea of creeping through the lands of other realms and picking off unsuspecting enemies of the realm quite appealing... who needs a group for that! :-P

Are there groups of "stealthers" out there that move in for the kill like the SAS...?

I'm looking for a Stealthy guild to join, so any offers please let me know! :)

Evader, Elf Ranger, Lvl 12 and still learning!
 
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Alrindel

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Re: Ranger prospects

...I like the idea of creeping through the lands of other realms and picking off unsuspecting enemies of the realm quite appealing... who needs a group for that! :-P
Just be aware that archers used to be TOO good at that, and to balance gameplay a lot of obstacles were thrown in their path. At the moment, given the huge numbers of high level infiltrators and shadowblades out there who can see through your stealth half a zone away no matter how high it is, you don't see a lot of solo snipers out there any more. If you want to be the sneaky stealther picking off lone enemies, you need to reroll as a nightshade.
 
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Faeldawn

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Re: Ranger prospects

Originally posted by si1verwolf


Are there groups of "stealthers" out there that move in for the kill like the SAS...?

I'm looking for a Stealthy guild to join, so any offers please let me know! :)

Evader, Elf Ranger, Lvl 12 and still learning!

There is a stalker only guild in Hibernis, named Silent Death, great bunch of guys n gals....PM Whandall if he's online, cant member the names of the GM tho ;0)
 
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Alrindel

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Shh, I'm hiding.
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http://silent-death.net/
 
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Novo

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Time to change....

Faeldawn,

Its time to wake up and make the changes. Rangers are no longer the RvR soloers we used to be…. Sniping is dead for us … time to move on. We are now multi-skilled light tanks. We bring to any group the diversity of our abilities; we can do significant damage from a distance and up close and personal.

PvE Groups
We offer a group a utility player, we can pull at greater distance than anyone else. We can deal significant damage with our fast duel wielding blades, high str, dex and quickness. We can manage aggro well with our styles to make sure there’s cover for those pulls that go pear shaped. No we can’t take hits as well, very few classes’s can, that’s a Hero’s role. Our job is to kill fast.

I’d challenge any equal lvl BM, Champ and NS to take aggro from me when I bow pull a mob and use my styles.

RvR Groups (fact the highest RP holder is a Ranger)
Properly spec’d for both melee and ranged attacks, buffed and well played rangers are a real asset to a group. Their role is not to charge forward but to assess the group’s position and from range and at speed, deal with the biggest threat to the group. Be it a Mage, Healer or Tank… our Bows will take you down fast if you don’t stop and engage us. Job done … biggest threat to group now kept busy.

Even when charged by tanks, I can keep him busy for a while and do significant damage. With Evade 3, fast blades and stun styles that Tank is gona find it very hard to kill me. In the long run he will but while he’s trying to mash me any good group will have taken down his mates.

I strongly believe Rangers bring a lot to a group… with tactics and skill we can forfil multiple roles and offer the diversity needed to make a balanced group capable of dealing with most types of RvR groups.

The biggest problem with Rangers are threads like this… They help to continue the small minded attitude that there are only 3 types of useful character. Nukers, Healers and Tanks. Sure they make up the core of a Xp group, but in RvR that kind of group is pretty easy to defeat. No brains needed … kill nukers and Healers fast, then deal at leisure with the Tanks. Diversity, flexability and team work is the only way to success imho…

Yes, we find it hard to get groups … cause this attitude persists. Yes, we are not essential to a group such as a bard or Nuker and certain groups will turn you down because of this. Yes, it’s a lonely life … but I’m here to be different, challenge the norm and enjoy myself.

As always the Ranger community is a close one .. if your playing a Ranger now, use this site to get the best and most considered opinions on spec and play style.
http://www.critshot.com/
 
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Lessurl

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Originally posted by Faeldawn
Without my guild i would have gone a bit perculiar soloing rvr ;0)



What do you mean would have? :p
 
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censi

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Rangers are very very far from shite....

Sure we have been hit hard by some of these crappy RA's but this is just a set back...

Disadvantage to playing a ranger:

You are assasin fodder. A good assasin that sees you roaming around will kill you. And there isnt to much you can do about it. (IP highly recommended to counter this)

There are certain classes that are almost impossible to drop... You will work out which these are. But you need to carry bodkins around nowadays and pick your arrows accordingly.

Oks that enough of the disadvantages...

Advantes:

Rangers are the true jack of all trade classes.... we have everything....

A deadly long range attack (longest range in game)
Stealth
Self buffs.
Melee ability
speed boost.
dual wield.

Rangers are the best class when it comes to keep raiding and keep defense. No question about this. You stack up RP's quicker than anything sniping mages.

Rangers can still solo.... Yes, its possible, but can be frustrating.

Rangers perform very very well in RVR groups. Key to playing a ranger in an RVR group is to pick off the mages. its always best to stay near the back of the group. stealth initally when u engage the enemy (just to avoid being targetted initally) and then pick target accordingly.

Key to playing a ranger well is to choose targets that you can drop fast.... The classes which drop the easiest are other archers, assasins and mages...

The best kick i get is when I see another archer lining up his crit on someone only to be pummelled by yourself seconds later....

I think all archer classes make a point of dropping each other....

I sometimes get pissed off by the bad aspects of the Ranger class, but then I just think about how limited life would be playing a support class or a tank.

The worst thing about being a ranger, is the domination assasin classes have over you. Assasins are the rangers akyles heal. (spelt wrong)

Hopefully now with IP I can do a bit more about this.
 
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gronk

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well i agree with most bits of the thread, But rangers aren't realy as gimped as most think

as for True sight, i still get picked of by assassins as much as befor, hardly any increase on beeing stabbed by them.

and we can still solo in RvR, just hard to figure out how.

for exping...well thats the down side...been lvl42 for ages now...

check our side out si1verwolf :D
 
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Faeldawn

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Interesting and valid points.....

sat here and typed a few responses, but deleted em all....think i'll just let this one drop.
 
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Faeldawn

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as a foot note to anyone picking up this thread at a later date (i.e when its dead), the critshot forum link is a bit dated, but does have a few really eye-opening suggetions for speccing a ranger that i had heard of, but not properly considered in full.

My thanks to Novo for this link (and for tryin to get me into a Fins group at lvl 43, didnt work, but its the thought that counts ;0))

I now have food for thought as i wade throught the irewood greenbark grove in search of xp.

I guess a rangers lot need not necessarily be such a lonely one after all.......

The End ;P
 
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censi

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Rangers can solo from 10-45 faster than any class imo....

46-50 I remeber being a pain in the ass.

I did 98% solo 1% grouping with a fellow ranger (usually xero or avoca) and 1% full grps when i could be assed to get them...

I would recommed when u hit 46 forget about XP and concentrate of drop farming the mobs that will give you the items you need as a ranger....

Namely...
Glimmer geists and knights for mossy ranger gauntlet thingy, glimmering stiltos, deathmoon rapier,
Fins or black wraiths to get stout lether belt or belt of resilience.
DOB to get dobs fang.
Epics mobs- for various bits and peices....

by the time you have all the uber ranger items you will probably be close to dinging 50.

just dont try and rush it... being a lvl 50 ranger isnt that gr8... you then just start viewing RP like XP but you the mobs you need to farm move around a bit more and have a tendency to gank.
 
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Novamir

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actually there's a fool proof way of living after getting stabbed by an assassin (even if they get PA), but you need IP :)

after you get PAd, start strafing around the assassin, it will give them 'too far away' message, and screw up the PA. then then will do a normal non styled hit on you leaving u free of snare to sprint off and use IP.

of course this only works in 1v1 situation, not much use if the assassin has 9 m8s with him =/
 
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Juanita

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I MADE a ranger to solo. Now and then it can be very relaxing to shoot 500 trees, or, atm, Daemhan Aeirs.
So it is mindnumbing, who cares?

For RvR i forsee you need at least ranger duo's, maybe even groups of 4-8 (Everyone got a ranger alt right?)
 
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Novo

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Futher footnote

Faeldawn mentioned that the www.critshot.com site is a bit outdated.

It certainly doesn't get huge traffic like the vn boards ... but its run and moderated by the people who care - the Ranger, Hunter and Scout Team leads for mythic. If you have a suggestion or a gripe .. post it there as it will get seen by people who can make Mythic aware of it and get it changed...

Anyway as Faeldawn said time to let it slip ....
 
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old.Tdaer

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YUUUUUUUP !! RANGER SUCK !!

That why I'm rerolling a Ment.. cause they rock !! NOT !


PVE

Rangers kick ass .. with PBT .. rangers can hold better aggro than ANY TANK !! they might not hit hard .. but hit damn fast ..

thus rangers are really good for PBAOE groups .. with buffs rangers have same/more hp than champs.

RVR

Ranger are no longer solo classes .. youre NOT assasin fodder .. cause u won't be running around alone anymore. if an assasin DOES attack you .. well then he's dead

healr drops a heal on u .. and the rest of the group ganks him.

as for damage in RvR...
rangers have a great advantage .. they don't have to get close .. even at range they can take down a mages in 1 or 2 shots ..
Rangers are truly not a melee class . .don't expect to win any duels.

and help in various other situations.. great for keep takes / defense.

Rangers are excellent .. and in 1.53 with camoflauge will once again be an awesome RvR class

With see hidden rangers have been somewhat .. solo-nerfed .. which was the idea .. but same goes for assasins .. no more soloing ..


Stealth is of minimal use to rangers .. so don't go speccing 30+ stealth .. or u WILL be gimping your char ..


Read the forums ;D

still having good fun with my elf

LAST MESSAGE: Don't try solo with your ranger ... cause u WILL get Pissed off ;D

RANGER ROCK ;
 
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Gorguss

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Originally posted by old.Tdaer
Rangers kick ass .. with PBT .. rangers can hold better aggro than ANY TANK !! they might not hit hard .. but hit damn fast ..

thus rangers are really good for PBAOE groups .. with buffs rangers have same/more hp than champs.
A couple of thing to Rangers:

1. Always carry a small shield if your intentions are to group and be a tank.
2. You are a good tank and keep aggro well, but don't get upset becouse the group kicks you when a shield tank comes along(be it Hero,Champ or BM).
3. All tanks can hold aggro at lvl 30+, this really is'nt an issue. If the mobs are hard to keep aggro on then it's mostly due to lvl.
4. Pick targets with your bow so it's easy to know what mob you are going for a 3 killing aoe grp.

Rangers are great players and an ok class :)
 

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