RA Discussion

[thebinarysurfer]

I started this thread to get a little more Hib Specific RA discussion going for people but there is a specific point to my post...

A little thing i'd like to reccomend to Rangers that it seems most aren't bothering to take - 'True Sight' (if i'm wrong do tell me but most responses i've heard are along the lines of 'pah too expensive')
Imo it's worth those 10 RA points just to have level 50 inf's/sb's who're used to being able to strike you with impunity pounding his keyboard in fustration after being 1 or 2 shotted....('cause lets face it a good ranger can cut their hp's in half with one shot).
Oh and someone bring some tissues for Ninjastyle to the discussion

Autarkis Sikratua
Level 50 Ranger
Excalibur

 

[Elric IA]

Having seen Autarkis in action with it tonight it seems good

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

yup true sight is a cool ra gets me killed all the time.

 

[Ensceptifica]

From what I've heard, no ranger should be without it if he wants to stand a chance in the world of stealthers. spies and trackers.

 

[old.Odysseus]

I got FA2, IP and Purge instead.

Result:
I slap the assassins when they come play.

Next result:
The assassins that see me normally call in friends before they try and gank me.

Final result:
See Hidden is still a pain.

 

[Alrindel]

I picked my RAs to help me level up: aug quick 2, aug dex 2, and dodger 3. Now I can start thinking about how to respec for PvP, and True Sight is definitely on the shopping list.

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

I went for all out firepower wa3 and mop2 my aim ist to killem before creeping death stun wears off.

 

[gestaltwhorl]

For all those Druids out there that haven't got Group purge.

Please all get it - please, please, please I'm not begging but PLEASE !! For the love of God get Group Purge !!!!

 

[Lessurl]

I wasn't gonna get purge initially as i thought it was too expensive and not worth it for me as i'd purge then everyone would see me purged and gank me. But i was wrong, i caved and bought it and i love it. Especially good when i'm on one of my late night drunken solo runs and some nasty slips some lifebane in my beer or mesmerises me by saying a long word confusing my last brain cell.

 

[matax]

I heard on guild chat the other day that Purge for tanks will only cost 3 RA's in some patch or other (1.53 something?)

 

[old.DARKDANCER]

it will cost 4rls

 

[Ivynoxia]

Truesight rocks - a ranger must have! like See Hidden for assasins (lucky for us shades it is on a 30min timer )

I also chose RAs for lvling, but i've been RvRing a lot lately and so respecced early was planning to do it at 50 .. but 50 seems so far away

Anyway, gratz to Autar for killing Ninjastyle and avenged my death

 

[Tyka]

Originally posted by gestaltwhorl
For all those Druids out there that haven't got Group purge.

Please all get it - please, please, please I'm not begging but PLEASE !! For the love of God get Group Purge !!!!

AGREED!!! cant say how many times angara/infernos saved our group with that little group purge button (best druids in game).

 

[old.Forever]

Originally posted by Tyka


AGREED!!! cant say how many times angara/infernos saved our group with that little group purge button (best druids in game).

Grp purge EQUALS druid. You are not a druid if you dont have grp purge
Its the only decent RA for druids anyway (except the general ones who everyone has, like MCL)

 

[Alrindel]

I have never been in an RvR situation where individual purge would have changed the outcome one bit. I have been in at least two RvR situations that I can think of offhand where group purge saved the day, big time.

On the other hand, I have been in several situations where true sight would have changed everything. So I used my first RA respec and swapped dodger 3 for it. I still think it's too many points for too little ability, but let's see how it works out.

 

[Danya]

On the RAs thing, what's Negative Maelstrom like? Worth 14 points?

 

[elerand]

Have to say that true sight seems a greater counter measure to infils/sbs than anything else, surely the point of rangers in rvr is to basically kill fast and run? Staying out of melee range!

Melee specced rangers don't seem worth it, there are plenty of people who can fight better than you and working together with NS proves an invaluable addition to the hib fighting force if u can wipe out enemy scouts (who provide advance info on our whereabouts/activities) and weaken an enemy force by summarily executing mages...muwahahaha!

The albs play a better stealth game than us, best to capitalise on our strengths I think.

 

[Alrindel]

As to "the point of rangers in rvr," your guess is as good as mine. The original game design called for them to be stealthing snipers - that's why their class-defining special attribute is a set of self buffs, so they can solo.

Except, whoops, Mythic made them too uber in the earliest version of the game, and after other classes complained they were pummeled (along with the other archer classes) to the point where solo isn't an option any more... but what they actually ARE supposed to be doing now hasn't ever really been adressed. As to "why roll a melee ranger," why not? Stealth is useless now, the skill points are there. You can put them in weapon/cd or... not use them, I guess. Kill fast and run out of melee range? Then you have run away from your group, and you're dead - there are probably two shadowblades and an infil closing in on you right now.

In fact ranger and scout wouldn't be bad group classes to play right now, if it were not for the current supremacy of assassins. It isn't even that infils and SBs are so wildly out of balance; I personally think they are stronger now than archers were when archers were "too uber" but that's my opinion, and I also think that they just need a bit of fine tuning to bring them in line with the other classes. But on Excalibur the problem is that there are SO MANY of them now. Midgard is now up to 39 level 50 shadowblades - 10 in Nolby Pride alone - with more on the way every day (6x49, 3x48, 5x47). Situations where archers should still shine - defending keeps from the battlements, for example, have turned into a turkey shoot where the enemy stealthers are queued up at the bottom of the walls trying to climb up, practically fighting each other to get at the easy pickings up above (the icing on the cake: last time I was trying to defend Crim against the albs, I was trying to get down off the wall after backing away from two infils, and with 10% health left I was finished off on the stairs by a shadowblade who had climbed up from the back of the keep and was farming RPs off the wounded hibs).

Against that sort of opposition, true sight isn't an "effective countermeasure"; 60 seconds of having a chance to defend yourself every 30 minutes isn't even much of a deterrent. But if it's all we've been given, I guess I'll take it.

 

[Danya]

I think SBs / infs aren't neccessarily more powerful than archers were - they have to get close too the group so if they pick someone off you can often catch them - archers used to one shot you mage then run offand you had no chance. That said, they are very powerful compaired to most classes. And the numbers of them really shows, not just on excalibur. On prydwen I was at a keep raid... 4 defenders, 3 groups attacking... no less than 6 or 7 SBs came over the walls. That's over 20% of the attacking force that were SBs! If things carry on the way they are soon RvR will just be stealthers looking for each other for hours and huge zergs of 40 moving around - anyone moving with less than 30 people will get killed by the assassin horde.

 

[Gilead^]

Originally posted by Tyka


AGREED!!! cant say how many times angara/infernos saved our group with that little group purge button (best druids in game).

 

[Tyka]

Hey what do i know about druids!! im just a stupid tank, err i mean elf

Love you gil

 

[Avi N'dor]

I'll be going for True Sight too once I get to 45+ (like that's ever gonna happen, hehe)
I think solo purge isn't worth the points, especially when we all try to group now and one of the healers will usually have group purge.

But for now I take those little passive abilities that help in PvE, like Aug Dex2 and Falcon's Eye2 for example.

 

[Lessurl]

Solo purge is definately worth the points, you can't rely on one char to purge the whole party. I have used my purge a few times now and each time been very happy with the results (except once when i purged a millisecond before being attacked and so wasted it as mez would have been broken anyway). The best thing to do i find upon getting mezzed is to purge quickly and stun then gank the mezzer to prevent anymore of your party than already are mezzed from becoming so.
I'm pretty sure my purge has saved my party a few times now, even if i end up dead sometimes i generally take out the mezzer/a few nukers before i go holding off/distracting the enemy long enough for rest of grps mez timers to run out.
If you purge instantly you still have the mez graphic on you and people will be ignoring you. So you can get in a few hits at least before anyone realises you arent mezzed.
Only time it doesn't work is when you are chosen as the first target, and that does tend to happen a lot to a mage.
Once the tanks purge is made cheeper tho however i think we will see single purge being used a lot more in rvr.

 

[Avi N'dor]

You are absolutely right, purge is a must for tanks. I was talking from ranger's perspective Maybe when I get to RR3 or 4 I will have both True sight and purge.