Question 2 mids

[AngelHeal]

ok this aint a whine orsmt just a question ..

When I play my chanter / bainshee and start nuking.. i wish hibs aoe stun..
But faith gave mid one.. (ok well no faith but mythic gave mid 1 )

How come i see so few setups in mid rvr with some SM's and 1 aoe stunner... thats like free rp;x though I see those group setups allmost never..

How come? there a better setup for mids? or is it way to hard, and is it easier said then to be done.. (mezz.. sm's run towards.. and just aoe stun(after most of dem hibbies and albs purged) + pbaoe)

 

[Maeloch]

Think prolly cos grps like that are one-trick ponies...if another grp has a couple of mercs/bms and gets the jump, or drops ST/twf onto the pbaoe box, or just scatters properly on inc tbh...

Mael, 50th ment.

 

[Adianna]

They could build in a Thane for ST themselves.

 

[Zebolt]

I think it has to do with the population. On a big server with lots of zergs and more fg's, supp SM's are really nice and are widely used. On a small server like prydwen where ppl have to solo alot more and run in smaller grps alot of the SM's tend to go for the more powerful nuker spec with mezz, aka darkness..

 

[Dumle]

Its not as easy as it sounds to bomb with AE stun, its not often you get ppl stacked

And you also have Charge, SoS and Purge to factor in... All it takes to interrupt the PBAE box (If not all SMs have MoC3 wich is kinda rare that all have) is 1 merc or BM that had charge active and is a banelord

 

[robbe]

its only god for nub farm .. vs strong grppa is not

vs good grppa it requires u make cell or something

cell in nf&toa i dont even wanna try with all ze interupt shit.. could get moc3 on all caster+seers i guess


though it not imposs mael mebbe try since we have 2 sm :>

 

[Zebolt]

though it not imposs mael mebbe try since we have 2 sm :>

You will never get a grp like say Eclipse down with AoE stun + PBAoE tho, you might win with the setup but never on a stun/pb jump :>

 

[AngelHeal]

You will never get a grp like say Eclipse down with AoE stun + PBAoE tho, you might win with the setup but never on a stun/pb jump :>

and thats because..??

seems to me if u have 8 players standing hugging eachother and u aoe stun and ahve some l337 pbaoe ppl's spammin there pbaoe spell button trough the keyboard u do get arpee's?


Skald, healer, healer, Sm Sm Sm Sm Sm

(and yeah now u can say , BUT OOOOOOOOOHH no tanks etc..

well who needs tanks if u can MA the agro of eachother ? (ie: BOX ur self and star pbaoeing... or box on the oher group and start pbaoe'ing..)

Like this: Mid win mezz, they box on the other group (so that the combat stays close ) EVEN THE HEALERS so they are protected by the pbaoe)

Hibs/Albs win mezz: purge?;p box (or mezz the others.. .when theres sos, BOX!! not necesary to pbaoe ehre but MA laiftap.and ez pbaoe when they are on ur healers..

ive ran with a random hib group once we ahd this setup: Bard, druid, chanter chanter chanter eldritch eldritch eldrtich.
And no aoe stun, but it worked perfect...

(you don't need defence if you have all the offence, and offence spells can work perfect as defence to, the best defence is offence)

 

[Huntingtons]

and thats because..??

seems to me if u have 8 players standing hugging eachother and u aoe stun and ahve some l337 pbaoe ppl's spammin there pbaoe spell button trough the keyboard u do get arpee's?


Skald, healer, healer, Sm Sm Sm Sm Sm

(and yeah now u can say , BUT OOOOOOOOOHH no tanks etc..

well who needs tanks if u can MA the agro of eachother ? (ie: BOX ur self and star pbaoeing... or box on the oher group and start pbaoe'ing..)

Like this: Mid win mezz, they box on the other group (so that the combat stays close ) EVEN THE HEALERS so they are protected by the pbaoe)

Hibs/Albs win mezz: purge?;p box (or mezz the others.. .when theres sos, BOX!! not necesary to pbaoe ehre but MA laiftap.and ez pbaoe when they are on ur healers..

ive ran with a random hib group once we ahd this setup: Bard, druid, chanter chanter chanter eldritch eldritch eldrtich.
And no aoe stun, but it worked perfect...

(you don't need defence if you have all the offence, and offence spells can work perfect as defence to, the best defence is offence)

this is nf, not of pre toa. Bombing isn't as powerful anymore - sure you can bomb noobs but what's the fun? if warden/reaver/champ/friar drops twf or st you're done for, you have no dmg output as all will stand in the twf and be stunned by st. And if druid purges and interupts whole box you're done for. Where as with melee. You win mez. Light tanks charge and kill. screw st, screw twf charge ignores it (i think). They can't get interupted, they have more hp and nice dmg output. Bombing is not worth it in NF (also, rare that you get the mez on a good grp box'd)

 

[Zebolt]

and thats because..??

A good grp will never stand close to eachother long enough after they are engaged even if they lose mezz.

 

[AngelHeal]

this is nf, not of pre toa. Bombing isn't as powerful anymore - sure you can bomb noobs but what's the fun? if warden/reaver/champ/friar drops twf or st you're done for, you have no dmg output as all will stand in the twf and be stunned by st. And if druid purges and interupts whole box you're done for. Where as with melee. You win mez. Light tanks charge and kill. screw st, screw twf charge ignores it (i think). They can't get interupted, they have more hp and nice dmg output. Bombing is not worth it in NF (also, rare that you get the mez on a good grp box'd)

hmm, guess u got a point there... but with aoe stun u have no time to do twf?
and when druid purges. aoe stun him.. <stun requiers good timing> but u need good players to win a game

(And where the hell didn u get the information about: Bombing isn't as powerfull anymore... , OMG, I've never seen it more powerfull then in NF!, jsut activate cloudsong 2 and if ur a bit decent bomber u do awesom dmg, but guess u haven't met a decent bomber then during NF, (I do more PBAOE dmg in NF then befor NF, and maybe there a more ability's to counter-attack the pbaoe... but if ur a decent bomber u should be able to play like u never played be4 imo.

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Though, I play Albion Excalibur aswel, and I met such a group setup once near the Brynja bridge of Crauchon (no idea whats it called), and we had 4 pally's ^^ 2 clerics and 1 sorc hihi (not een a fg) anyway we won the mezz and we all did the power drain / remove style.. and yeah we noticed the group was weak that way, but you don't see many group setups arround with 4 pallys xDDDDD.

Anyway I do see your point, but I guess both are better indifferent situations then ;>

and to reply on zebolt: U haven't got a real choice when ur running (/stick'ed to bard/ skald / sorc, mincer) and get mezzed + aoe stunned

 

[Ilum]

most sms spec dark anyway for the highest dps spec nuke in the game, which happens to be a lifetap as well

 

[Grund]

and to reply on zebolt: U haven't got a real choice when ur running (/stick'ed to bard/ skald / sorc, mincer) and get mezzed + aoe stunned

camera panning is cure for that

 

[balkeriz]

a RvR grp always have a Aoe (Pac healer) in RvR adn always SM, but not always there is a Supp SM(pbaoe specs) if he is dark he aint good at pbaoe but he got a nice life tap. All thought if you guys try to take a keep more use and prob works best in a Tower take there will be a grpsetup with atleast 2 Supp SM's and pac healer, so when you run up we pbaoe and aoe stun and you die instently. I like that ppls never learn to see that since it's deadly tactic, try take a look at the US move that was made, (i dont have link but someone can prob give one) and you'll see. i really like the part when 8 mid kill a zerg of albs of an number of 100 and half of them dead on stairs and infront of tower door.

 

[Marath]

My sm has the best pbaoe. I nuke for 200 or so after resists on people with my so uber dd. You could do a bit better if you had the 2nd best pbaoe and more darkness but people tend to go all the way on lines.

Sm is a 1 trick pony and not a chanter.

 

[boppas]

MM (Midget Mafia) Ran a pb setup (Pre-ToA) VERY successful (taking out zergs fast wit nps etc) ..prob the best mid grp on pryd ive seen.. After ToA ..ive seen 1 or 2 mid grps run with this setup now & then but only low RR & yup they can hurt, especially if they get the jump. Though be prepared to get ganked over & over by high RR grps or organised grps until at least all the SM's have moc3/purge to counter.. when a mid PB group are all high RR, i think it will be a gank-group tbh

imo its still a good setup for mid due to AE-Stun, i know AE-Stun has a low duration after sists etc, iir wit MM (from 1st hand experiance ) they always landed AE mezz 1st, then didnt use AE stun until there PB's were in position.. so they also had very good communication which is must for this kind of setup.

I agree wit original poster, Suprised there aint many about (& glad tbh ) But i wudnt use 4 supp more along the lines of:

2xhealers (pac/Aug)
shammy
skald
2 Supp SM's
RM
war

 

[Zebolt]

and to reply on zebolt: U haven't got a real choice when ur running (/stick'ed to bard/ skald / sorc, mincer) and get mezzed + aoe stunned

Ever heard of a realm ability called purge? ^^

 

[Marath]

MM was a really good group but it is close to impossible to use that setup now. Having a good pbaoe in mid means being a total 1 trick pony. If you cant pbaoe bomp the other group down what are you going to kill with a 2 sms nuking for 200 rm and warrior with a skald for damage ?

Against other good setups its pretty hopeless.

And having pbaoe means you cannot run in a pickup group almost at all so those are either farming bots or in a preplanned setup. If you could have a decent nuke with pbaoe (like chanter can) you would definetly see a lot more mid pbaoe groups.

 

[feril]

ran today with 3 healers 1 shammie and 3 supp sm and BD.. works fine in tower fights and in open field if we get the CC.. (got the zerg one time today) but hmm its suxs in tower takes, no range dmg... we tried to take behnn and failed nice work hibbys..

 

[Roadie]

Though, I play Albion Excalibur aswel, and I met such a group setup once near the Brynja bridge of Crauchon (no idea whats it called), and we had 4 pally's ^^ 2 clerics and 1 sorc hihi (not een a fg) anyway we won the mezz and we all did the power drain / remove style.. and yeah we noticed the group was weak that way, but you don't see many group setups arround with 4 pallys xDDDDD.

and to reply on zebolt: U haven't got a real choice when ur running (/stick'ed to bard/ skald / sorc, mincer) and get mezzed + aoe stunned

u ran into a pbae group with a alb group with 4xpally and u did well and you wonder why ppl dont use that setup?

its pretty rare for you to run into a decent group with nobody at all who dosnt see you before you get there and spreads out. Your right it can be pretty impressive inital dps if the stun and pbe is uninterupted but 99% of the time as everyone says that only happens vs ppl you could kill just as easyily with a setup that would stand up vs stronger groups better, it just takes a little longer

 

[xxManiacxx]

its so normal to see a grp stacked together and not moving long enough to get mez in, get stun in get in place and get 3-4pbaes in

 

[Adianna]

Btw. Angelheal... powerleveling depends...

 

[Shike]

One merc or BM with purge+demor+ZoU will kill that groups effiency pretty fast tbh, it just wont work on a good group, maybe once in a blue moon but not really worth it at all unless you face alot of zergs without a clue and can get alot of jumps.

 

[Dorin]

couse supp sm is not a chanter sadly, ranged dmg is so sucky that it makes cry anyone that played a DD-spec nuker or selfdebuffer :[

 

[Huntingtons]

U haven't got a real choice when ur running (/stick'ed to bard/ skald / sorc, mincer) and get mezzed + aoe stunned

beause, often you just stick your leader when you see inc!

really, vs PUG's and such bombing, might work but vs set grps/gg's it wont, when they see inc they split up. By saying that i dont mean that Supp sm's not worth having, but dont go for 3 sm's etc. We usually run with a chanter and i love his pbae, but not as main dmg - also, they are self debuffers which makes them viable with their dd's.

 

[Belomar]

u ran into a pbae group with a alb group with 4xpally and u did well and you wonder why ppl dont use that setup?

AngelHeal is stupid that way.

 

[boppas]

what are you going to kill with a 2 sms nuking for 200 rm and warrior with a skald for damage ?

it was 2 supp SM's & 1 RM that i mentioned... RM for the debuffing of base nukes & AE to help wit box, so nukes will hit alot more than 200 when all casters are fully ToA'd

 

[Dorin]

it was 2 supp SM's & 1 RM that i mentioned... RM for the debuffing of base nukes & AE to help wit box, so nukes will hit alot more than 200 when all casters are fully ToA'd

caster that needs another caster to have good ranged dps can work (ok grps will interrupt debuffer and you are toasted though), but 2-3 self efficient casters beat it anytime of the day

about mm, they were great no question about that but they as mentioned above ran pretoa - prenerf zerker - stun had more meaning back then - took a while for ppl to realise using purge instantly is not the best option, especially for hibs with grp-purge. (joined pud, mm came, didnt gp-mezz, but gp-ed ae stun, insta-grp heal tadaa grp survived contact, ofc died shortly after) anyways, bombing was and will be efficient against random or newbie grps, good grps usually didnt/wont get bombed

 

[Pudzy]

ok this aint a whine orsmt just a question ..

When I play my chanter / bainshee and start nuking.. i wish hibs aoe stun..
But faith gave mid one.. (ok well no faith but mythic gave mid 1 )

How come i see so few setups in mid rvr with some SM's and 1 aoe stunner... thats like free rp;x though I see those group setups allmost never..

How come? there a better setup for mids? or is it way to hard, and is it easier said then to be done.. (mezz.. sm's run towards.. and just aoe stun(after most of dem hibbies and albs purged) + pbaoe)

Ae stun gets owned by Det, i think thats the main reason.

 

[AngelHeal]

hmm but gets longer due +x% spell duration?